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So many more of us, so many less fatalities

By johnboy 2 January 2014 60

ACT Policing has recorded a single digit road toll of seven in 2013 making it the second lowest annual road toll since 1959.

Traffic Operations Officer in Charge, Station Sergeant Rod Anderson said achieving the second lowest road toll in over half a century was an indication of changing attitudes in Canberra drivers to road safety.

“Any fatality on our roads is one too many and as a community we should always aim to be fatality free,” Sergeant Anderson said.

“However, this is a noticeable improvement on the 12 deaths that occurred on our roads in 2012.”

“So many factors contributed to last year’s low road toll, including increased driver awareness, increased police patrols targeting traffic law enforcement, joint ACT Government and ACT Policing road safety campaigns and the outstanding work that our ambulance services do at the scene of road collisions.”

“There is no magic wand for preventing tragic deaths on our roads. At the end of the day it all comes down to driver attitudes behind the wheel.”

Sergeant Anderson said police would continue to be out in force during the holiday season detecting and removing drivers engaging in risky behaviour such as speeding, drink and drug driving, using mobile phones and not wearing seatbelts.

“Everyone has the right to travel on the roads safely, ACT Policing will continue its strong enforcement of our road laws, and will accept no excuses for any actions which jeopardise other people’s lives,” Sergeant Anderson said.

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[Courtesy ACT Policing]

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KB1971 7:23 am 23 Jan 14

cranky said :

c_c™ said :

The Antichrist said :

Improved safety standards in vehicles ?? What evidence do you have to support this ? Its such a meaningless motherhood statement. Cars have ABS for years. Problem is, they also have had dickheads driving them for years as well.

A mixture of changes to the ADR and market forces have seen the following over the past 20 years:

– Driver and front passenger airbags standard on passenger vehicles
– Improved crumple zones even on small cars
– Collapsible steering columns
– Designed to destruct engines
– Fuel shut off valves
– Anti-submarining floor pans and seat design
– Use of higher strength steel and cage technologies like Tridiom and Sate-T-Cell
– Whiplash reducing seat and headrest design
– Seatbelt pretentioners
– ABS now standard
– TC and ESC now common
– Side curtain and torso airbags now common
– Knee airbags
– Stronger auto glass
– Child car seat mounts original fitment in vehicles
– Manufacturers now aiming for and marketing vehicles on basis of achieving 5 Star ANCAP/EuroNCAP results, with most popular models in Australia now achieving 5 star ratings

Plus premium vehicles coming on to the market now with active vehicle and pedestrian collision avoidance technologies which are already staring to filter down into mid tier vehicles in the US and Australia.

Slightly OT.

The above safety improvements have certainly borne fruit in reducing the severity of injuries in accidents. They have also increased the weight of vehicles.

The ACT Gov has taken advantage of this weight increase by NOT varying the cut-off points applied to vehicle registration. It is now common for a station wagon to weigh more than 1530Kg’s. This moves you into the next rego range, an increase costing in the order of $250 PA. The same range as a 2 point something tonne 4WD.

An increase in the change point to 1650/1700Kg, in keeping with current technology, would be appreciated.

The difference is around $130 dollars depending on which TPI provider you use:

http://www.rego.act.gov.au/assets/PDFs/1Private%20PCV%20registration%20fees%20no%20ITCE.pdf

Commodores and Falcons have been heavier than 1500kg for a long time and way before the explosion of safety features become trendy to put in cars.

For instance, I have a base model VT wagon (1998), one airbag and bugger all else and it drops in under 1500kg. The next variant up, the Berlina was in the next weight category. At the time it was built, the only other safety feature would have been a passenger airbag. Everything else was comfort options which changed the weights.

Yes you are correct, the safety features have made cars heavier but most of them were over that 1500kg threshold before explosion of safety features and 5 star Ancap ratings.

cranky 8:50 pm 22 Jan 14

c_c™ said :

The Antichrist said :

Improved safety standards in vehicles ?? What evidence do you have to support this ? Its such a meaningless motherhood statement. Cars have ABS for years. Problem is, they also have had dickheads driving them for years as well.

A mixture of changes to the ADR and market forces have seen the following over the past 20 years:

– Driver and front passenger airbags standard on passenger vehicles
– Improved crumple zones even on small cars
– Collapsible steering columns
– Designed to destruct engines
– Fuel shut off valves
– Anti-submarining floor pans and seat design
– Use of higher strength steel and cage technologies like Tridiom and Sate-T-Cell
– Whiplash reducing seat and headrest design
– Seatbelt pretentioners
– ABS now standard
– TC and ESC now common
– Side curtain and torso airbags now common
– Knee airbags
– Stronger auto glass
– Child car seat mounts original fitment in vehicles
– Manufacturers now aiming for and marketing vehicles on basis of achieving 5 Star ANCAP/EuroNCAP results, with most popular models in Australia now achieving 5 star ratings

Plus premium vehicles coming on to the market now with active vehicle and pedestrian collision avoidance technologies which are already staring to filter down into mid tier vehicles in the US and Australia.

Slightly OT.

The above safety improvements have certainly borne fruit in reducing the severity of injuries in accidents. They have also increased the weight of vehicles.

The ACT Gov has taken advantage of this weight increase by NOT varying the cut-off points applied to vehicle registration. It is now common for a station wagon to weigh more than 1530Kg’s. This moves you into the next rego range, an increase costing in the order of $250 PA. The same range as a 2 point something tonne 4WD.

An increase in the change point to 1650/1700Kg, in keeping with current technology, would be appreciated.

poetix 6:48 pm 22 Jan 14

maxblues said :

Thumbs up to the good Samaritan who prevented a potential pedestrian fatality in Belconnen late yesterday afternoon. Somehow a confused little old lady had wandered onto the road (on the wrong side of the concrete barrier) on the southern side of the Luxton Street overpass over Joynton Smith Drive. Another pedestrian jumped the barrier to lead the lady off the bridge, which took a while placing himself in danger of the oncoming traffic. I managed to swing my vehicle around and put on the hazard lights to give them some protection but if this guy hadn’t acted swiftly it could have been a different outcome.

Well done to the other pedestrian!

‘How far that little candle throws his beams!
So shines a good deed in a naughty world.’
Portia (The Merchant of Venice)

PrestigeDialaDriver 5:26 pm 22 Jan 14

poetix said :

PrestigeDialaDriver said :

Prestige Dial A Driver provide free Breath testing around the City on Friday & Saturday nights. This is not an evidentary testing (we leave that up to the AFP); this is solely to bring awareness to drivers, of where their BAC limit is, prior to hopping into their vehicles.

Over the Christmas period four (4) youths were tested at ‘double’ the legal limit, one (1) of which had been delegated the designated driver for his friends. Following these testings, they all made the right decisions to either utilize Dial A Driver service; have a change in driver (who was under the legal limit); or leave their vehicles in town and catch a taxi.

If you see people in chauffeur uniforms wandering around the city, and want to know your BAC before driving, go up to them & request a free breath test. Better to be safe than sorry.

We drive you home, in your ‘OWN’ car. http://www.dialadriveract,com.au

That link is not working.

What are your uniforms like?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/cult/anderson/thunderbirds/gallery/parker.shtml

We wear black & white corporate uniform, white gloves & chauffeur caps. Don’t know why that link didn’t work – type http://www.dialadriveract.com.au into your address bar, should connect through ok

IrishPete 5:05 pm 22 Jan 14

poetix said :

PrestigeDialaDriver said :

Prestige Dial A Driver provide free Breath testing around the City on Friday & Saturday nights. This is not an evidentary testing (we leave that up to the AFP); this is solely to bring awareness to drivers, of where their BAC limit is, prior to hopping into their vehicles.

Over the Christmas period four (4) youths were tested at ‘double’ the legal limit, one (1) of which had been delegated the designated driver for his friends. Following these testings, they all made the right decisions to either utilize Dial A Driver service; have a change in driver (who was under the legal limit); or leave their vehicles in town and catch a taxi.

If you see people in chauffeur uniforms wandering around the city, and want to know your BAC before driving, go up to them & request a free breath test. Better to be safe than sorry.

We drive you home, in your ‘OWN’ car. http://www.dialadriveract,com.au

That link is not working.

That’ll be the comma instead of a dot

maxblues 5:04 pm 22 Jan 14

Thumbs up to the good Samaritan who prevented a potential pedestrian fatality in Belconnen late yesterday afternoon. Somehow a confused little old lady had wandered onto the road (on the wrong side of the concrete barrier) on the southern side of the Luxton Street overpass over Joynton Smith Drive. Another pedestrian jumped the barrier to lead the lady off the bridge, which took a while placing himself in danger of the oncoming traffic. I managed to swing my vehicle around and put on the hazard lights to give them some protection but if this guy hadn’t acted swiftly it could have been a different outcome.

poetix 3:46 pm 22 Jan 14

PrestigeDialaDriver said :

Prestige Dial A Driver provide free Breath testing around the City on Friday & Saturday nights. This is not an evidentary testing (we leave that up to the AFP); this is solely to bring awareness to drivers, of where their BAC limit is, prior to hopping into their vehicles.

Over the Christmas period four (4) youths were tested at ‘double’ the legal limit, one (1) of which had been delegated the designated driver for his friends. Following these testings, they all made the right decisions to either utilize Dial A Driver service; have a change in driver (who was under the legal limit); or leave their vehicles in town and catch a taxi.

If you see people in chauffeur uniforms wandering around the city, and want to know your BAC before driving, go up to them & request a free breath test. Better to be safe than sorry.

We drive you home, in your ‘OWN’ car. http://www.dialadriveract,com.au

That link is not working.

What are your uniforms like?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/cult/anderson/thunderbirds/gallery/parker.shtml

PrestigeDialaDriver 12:47 pm 22 Jan 14

Prestige Dial A Driver provide free Breath testing around the City on Friday & Saturday nights. This is not an evidentary testing (we leave that up to the AFP); this is solely to bring awareness to drivers, of where their BAC limit is, prior to hopping into their vehicles.

Over the Christmas period four (4) youths were tested at ‘double’ the legal limit, one (1) of which had been delegated the designated driver for his friends. Following these testings, they all made the right decisions to either utilize Dial A Driver service; have a change in driver (who was under the legal limit); or leave their vehicles in town and catch a taxi.

If you see people in chauffeur uniforms wandering around the city, and want to know your BAC before driving, go up to them & request a free breath test. Better to be safe than sorry.

We drive you home, in your ‘OWN’ car. http://www.dialadriveract,com.au

bigred 8:37 pm 05 Jan 14

It is the economic downturn, higher fuel prices and fine weather. You watch what happens when economic confidence increases and it rains. I can tell you: we kill each other on the roads again.

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd 1:06 pm 05 Jan 14

Blen_Carmichael said :

IrishPete said :

Blen_Carmichael said :

Okay, let me spell it out. I think you’re a bush lawyer. I think you have an inflated opinion of your knowledge. I think you love dishing it out but you have a glass jaw. I think your judgement of police and criminal justice affairs is biased and highly questionable. I think you’re easily rattled. I think your emotional intelligence could do with a lot of improving.

Don’t like it? Sue me.

Though I laughed when I read this, I actually find it quite sad that you would think I would care what you think.

Apparently Confucious said something like: “The superior man is distressed by the limitations of his ability; he is not distressed by the fact that men do not recognize the ability that he has.”

Well don’t let me interrupt you, IP. As Churchill once said, “It is a good thing for an uneducated man to read a book of quotations.”

lol

IrishPete 1:02 pm 05 Jan 14

Blen_Carmichael said :

IrishPete said :

Blen_Carmichael said :

Okay, let me spell it out. I think you’re a bush lawyer. I think you have an inflated opinion of your knowledge. I think you love dishing it out but you have a glass jaw. I think your judgement of police and criminal justice affairs is biased and highly questionable. I think you’re easily rattled. I think your emotional intelligence could do with a lot of improving.

Don’t like it? Sue me.

Though I laughed when I read this, I actually find it quite sad that you would think I would care what you think.

Apparently Confucious said something like: “The superior man is distressed by the limitations of his ability; he is not distressed by the fact that men do not recognize the ability that he has.”

Well don’t let me interrupt you, IP. As Churchill once said, “It is a good thing for an uneducated man to read a book of quotations.”

I am sure Churchill was right and it is. I wouldn’t know.

But what has this to do with road safety?

IP

Blen_Carmichael 12:32 pm 05 Jan 14

IrishPete said :

Blen_Carmichael said :

Okay, let me spell it out. I think you’re a bush lawyer. I think you have an inflated opinion of your knowledge. I think you love dishing it out but you have a glass jaw. I think your judgement of police and criminal justice affairs is biased and highly questionable. I think you’re easily rattled. I think your emotional intelligence could do with a lot of improving.

Don’t like it? Sue me.

Though I laughed when I read this, I actually find it quite sad that you would think I would care what you think.

Apparently Confucious said something like: “The superior man is distressed by the limitations of his ability; he is not distressed by the fact that men do not recognize the ability that he has.”

Well don’t let me interrupt you, IP. As Churchill once said, “It is a good thing for an uneducated man to read a book of quotations.”

Grrrr 11:27 am 05 Jan 14

Deref said :

Could I appeal to posters to spell out things in full the first time they use them in a post? Of course that should have been obvious to me, but even so…

Sure, everything could be spelt out, that would be nice … but really – google “ESC”: The 4th result and the first that would seems to anyone to be at all relevant is the Wikipedia page for ESC. Even better, the first 8 results of a search for “car ESC” are all instructive. It’s a lot quicker than posting here, let alone waiting for the reply.

Deref 9:26 am 05 Jan 14

KB1971 said :

Deref said :

c_c™ said :

Now that ESC is becoming standard…

Please forgive my iggerunce. What’s ESC?

Electronic Stability Control.

D’oh. Yes. Thanks.

Could I appeal to posters to spell out things in full the first time they use them in a post? Of course that should have been obvious to me, but even so…

IrishPete 6:57 am 05 Jan 14

Blen_Carmichael said :

Okay, let me spell it out. I think you’re a bush lawyer. I think you have an inflated opinion of your knowledge. I think you love dishing it out but you have a glass jaw. I think your judgement of police and criminal justice affairs is biased and highly questionable. I think you’re easily rattled. I think your emotional intelligence could do with a lot of improving.

Don’t like it? Sue me.

Though I laughed when I read this, I actually find it quite sad that you would think I would care what you think.

Apparently Confucious said something like: “The superior man is distressed by the limitations of his ability; he is not distressed by the fact that men do not recognize the ability that he has.”

So back on topic (why DOES JB allow people to stray? there should be a “personal abuse” thread, a la Monty Python, where the sado-masochists can hang out ’til their hearts’ are content; I cam here for an argument, not abuse or being hit on the head), I think what everyone is asking for here is evidence-based policy, not police media releases.

IP

Jono 8:38 pm 04 Jan 14

KB1971 said :

On the seat belt thing, I agree with your points on the law changes but I was talking about vehicle safety features, not law enforcement. There has been no other safety feature introduced to motor vehicles that has had the effect on saving lives than seat belts. I should have been more descriptive in my post.

Apologies for not properly reading your post – and it wasn’t even a long one, so I don’t have that excuse.

Blen_Carmichael 8:17 pm 04 Jan 14

IrishPete said :

Blen_Carmichael said :

Goodness me, we’re a little bit defensive today, aren’t we? I merely asked you on what grounds the statement referred to constituted defamation, and I seem to have hit a nerve. I fully admit I have previously called you a bush lawyer in the past (and thank you ever so much for not suing me for that unjustified slur, guv’nor, I dips me lid, etc), but that was because of your laughable interpretation of s.109 of the Constitution.

My starting point for considering whether there would be a viable action in defamation would be the Civil Law (Wrongs) Act 2002 (ACT) and relevant common law, but I understand litigants can sometimes go jurisdiction shopping (correct me if I’m wrong). I’m just wondering if there is perhaps some obscure bit of legislation that you know of – let’s call it, say, the Captains Flat Excitable Bush Lawyers Act 2013 – which defines defamation as any statement that questions the logic of Irish Pete the self-appointed polymath.

You asked a question, I answered.

My logic was not being questioned, I was being misquoted.

Polymath is perhaps an exaggeration (though I do have fingers in several pies), but I won’t threaten to sue you for a compliment.

IP

Okay, let me spell it out. I think you’re a bush lawyer. I think you have an inflated opinion of your knowledge. I think you love dishing it out but you have a glass jaw. I think your judgement of police and criminal justice affairs is biased and highly questionable. I think you’re easily rattled. I think your emotional intelligence could do with a lot of improving.

Don’t like it? Sue me.

KB1971 7:32 pm 04 Jan 14

Jono said :

KB1971 said :

Seat belts have been the single biggest safety advance since 1959. There was a massive decrease in road deaths when they were introduced.

Everything else that has led us to the modern motor car has been incremental.

If you crunch the numbers, that’s actually not correct. In the three biggest states (NSW, Qld and Vic) the pattern is actually remarkably consistent. In all three by far the biggest decreases in the road toll occurred in the years in and just after the introduction of speed cameras and the second biggest decreases occurred in the years in and just after the introduction of RBTs.

Despite the introduction of speed cameras and RBTs up to 10 years apart in these three states, the drops in the road toll coinciding with each are WAY outside the general downward trend due to improved car design etc which has been going on since the road tolls peaked in the mid 1970s.

Note that I’m not disagreeing about the effect of seat belts, but I think that the trouble with analysing their introduction are two fold. One is that the road toll was still trending upward when they were introduced, and secondly it was an incremental process – my memory is that existing cars without seat belts fitted were still legal for a number of years, the laws only applied to new cars (prepared to be corrected on that).

I know that our car at that time didn’t have rear seat belts fitted but was still legal.

A car built in an era without seat belts is still not required to have seat belts fitted. No vehicle safety feature that has been made mandatory has ever been applied in retrospect to vehicle built previously.

On the seat belt thing, I agree with your points on the law changes but I was talking about vehicle safety features, not law enforcement. There has been no other safety feature introduced to motor vehicles that has had the effect on saving lives than seat belts. I should have been more descriptive in my post.

I do have source info, just not at home…….

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