So what is the difference between Liberal and Labor?

johnboy 17 October 2012 30

underpants gnomes

As this election has unfolded it’s become clear we’re looking at two radically different approaches to persuading the electorate.

The Liberals are being deliberately down in the weeds. Extra wheely bin this, more parking that, road duplication there.

Labor on the other hand is all about the aspirations. A good example of that is childhood obesity.

Am I agin’ it? Sure why not.

How much am I willing to pay to tackle it? Not sure.

What freedoms am I willing to forgo to free the Government’s hand on the issue? Whoa whoa up there cowboy!

Fortunately ACT Labor doesn’t actually want to be taken seriously on these issues. Their policy initiatives have no real hope of dealing with the matters they raise. Think “No Waste 2010” or “Housing Affordability”. We’re talking government by underpants gnomes here:

It comes down to whether you like big dreams or incremental improvements.

Battista comes to mind:

We fought against the empire of heaven. We were – that I will not deny – vanquished in that conflict: yet the great intention was not lacking in nobility. Something or other gave them victory; to us remains the glory of dauntless daring. And even if my troop fell thence vanquished, yet to have atempted a lofty enterprise is still a trophy.

I like my football team to play like rebel angels. I’m not sure it’s what’s called for from a Government.

Some of you might prefer a Government that chooses its battles carefully and exerts itself on matters it can reasonably hope to succeed with.

That’s up to you as a voter.

But if it helps that’s the clearest difference I can see.


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Duffbowl Duffbowl 8:27 am 23 Oct 12

How can you tell when a politician is lying?

Their lips are moving.

Treacle Treacle 11:14 pm 17 Oct 12

watto23 said :

bd84 said :

One has screwed us over for the past 11 years and the other one hasn’t? I guess it depends on whether Canberrans want to live with the same tired administration for another 4 years.

In a small jurisdiction like the ACT, there’s never going to be much between the two and all we need is a semi-decent alternative. Oppositions are always a risk because they are untried and aren’t provided full information to put up fully planned policies, but sometime the Government needs to be sent a message.

We’ve seen 10+ year old governments, both liberal and labor at state and federal level become old and tired in recent years. I think those jurisdictions have benefitted to some extent by giving the governments the flick for a new set of hands to fix some things up. Time for a change me thinks..

Not going to happen. There are no independants that are likely to win a seat and support the libs. Even Labor in a labor town has only gained a majority in the ACT gov once from memory (2004 election).

The “Osbourne Independents” did support the Liberals in the past before a previous election and a minor party with a chance of a member being elected into the last spot has said on WIN local news it will support the Liberals after the current election.

Anna Key Anna Key 9:24 pm 17 Oct 12

So we all whinge about it, but still accept the two party system. Or the greens if we want to absolve ourselves for our over-sized, energy consuming houses and gas-guzzling SUVs.

Instead we chose between Katy’s dodgy hospital figures (which still have us last), Zed’s three word slogan and the greens pushing for Government funded IVF for blind Iraqi refugee lesbians.

At least there’s the sausage sizzle to look forward to

HenryBG HenryBG 8:33 pm 17 Oct 12

dpm said :

bd84 said :

…. We’ve seen 10+ year old governments, both liberal and labor at state and federal level become old and tired in recent years. I think those jurisdictions have benefitted to some extent by giving the governments the flick for a new set of hands to fix some things up. Time for a change me thinks..

Yep, Queenslanders are *loving* their new dictator! Hahahaha!

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/state-politics/campbell-newman-weakens-same-sex-reforms/story-e6frgczx-1226393619424

http://reneweconomy.com.au/2012/newman-wipes-climate-and-clean-energy-off-queensland-map-48670

http://www.smh.com.au/business/mining-and-resources/shock-royalty-gouge-on-coal-20120911-25px6.html

http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/queensland/newman-to-scrap-7000-first-home-owner-grant-20120910-25mvu.html

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-10-11/labor-blames-newman-for-grim-jobs-numbers/4308198/?site=tropic

http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/queensland/2700-jobs-to-go-from-queensland-health-20120907-25iad.html

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-09-14/no-qld-public-servants-sacked-newman-says/4261346

http://theconversation.edu.au/planning-changes-to-accelerate-queensland-coast-development-10125

http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/queensland/newman-to-water-down-fluoride-rule-20120919-266og.html

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/queensland/no-one-to-lose-in-breastscreen-change/story-e6freoof-1226442891276

That’s the sort of change we need: cutting services and jobs, while stuffing the environment and ripping off mining (before the Feds do!)… Bring it ON! Hahahaha!
(I’m not saying ACT Libs would do any of this, just that your idea of ‘change’ hasn’t been all benefit in this case….)

…and a switch to a Lib local government here would bring us into line with the rest of them (bar SA & TAS).

Multiple Choice:

Disenchantment with Lib local governments all over Australia will be…

a. helpful to Tony Abbott

b. a handicap for Tony Abbott

in the next Federal election?

Pork Hunt Pork Hunt 7:12 pm 17 Oct 12

poetix said :

Thumper said :

Thumper said :

To borro somewhat from one John Ono Lennon, ‘what would happen if we held an election and no-one turned up?’

borro….

*sigh*

I thought it was about the donkey vote, but I was too polite to correct the ‘o’.

Assumptions only make an ass out of you and me….

watto23 watto23 5:12 pm 17 Oct 12

bd84 said :

One has screwed us over for the past 11 years and the other one hasn’t? I guess it depends on whether Canberrans want to live with the same tired administration for another 4 years.

In a small jurisdiction like the ACT, there’s never going to be much between the two and all we need is a semi-decent alternative. Oppositions are always a risk because they are untried and aren’t provided full information to put up fully planned policies, but sometime the Government needs to be sent a message.

We’ve seen 10+ year old governments, both liberal and labor at state and federal level become old and tired in recent years. I think those jurisdictions have benefitted to some extent by giving the governments the flick for a new set of hands to fix some things up. Time for a change me thinks..

Not going to happen. There are no independants that are likely to win a seat and support the libs. Even Labor in a labor town has only gained a majority in the ACT gov once from memory (2004 election).

dpm dpm 4:34 pm 17 Oct 12

bd84 said :

…. We’ve seen 10+ year old governments, both liberal and labor at state and federal level become old and tired in recent years. I think those jurisdictions have benefitted to some extent by giving the governments the flick for a new set of hands to fix some things up. Time for a change me thinks..

Yep, Queenslanders are *loving* their new dictator! Hahahaha!

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/state-politics/campbell-newman-weakens-same-sex-reforms/story-e6frgczx-1226393619424

http://reneweconomy.com.au/2012/newman-wipes-climate-and-clean-energy-off-queensland-map-48670

http://www.smh.com.au/business/mining-and-resources/shock-royalty-gouge-on-coal-20120911-25px6.html

http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/queensland/newman-to-scrap-7000-first-home-owner-grant-20120910-25mvu.html

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-10-11/labor-blames-newman-for-grim-jobs-numbers/4308198/?site=tropic

http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/queensland/2700-jobs-to-go-from-queensland-health-20120907-25iad.html

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-09-14/no-qld-public-servants-sacked-newman-says/4261346

http://theconversation.edu.au/planning-changes-to-accelerate-queensland-coast-development-10125

http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/queensland/newman-to-water-down-fluoride-rule-20120919-266og.html

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/queensland/no-one-to-lose-in-breastscreen-change/story-e6freoof-1226442891276

That’s the sort of change we need: cutting services and jobs, while stuffing the environment and ripping off mining (before the Feds do!)… Bring it ON! Hahahaha!
(I’m not saying ACT Libs would do any of this, just that your idea of ‘change’ hasn’t been all benefit in this case….)

bd84 bd84 3:20 pm 17 Oct 12

One has screwed us over for the past 11 years and the other one hasn’t? I guess it depends on whether Canberrans want to live with the same tired administration for another 4 years.

In a small jurisdiction like the ACT, there’s never going to be much between the two and all we need is a semi-decent alternative. Oppositions are always a risk because they are untried and aren’t provided full information to put up fully planned policies, but sometime the Government needs to be sent a message.

We’ve seen 10+ year old governments, both liberal and labor at state and federal level become old and tired in recent years. I think those jurisdictions have benefitted to some extent by giving the governments the flick for a new set of hands to fix some things up. Time for a change me thinks..

colourful sydney racing identity colourful sydney racing identity 2:31 pm 17 Oct 12

poetix said :

Thumper said :

Thumper said :

To borro somewhat from one John Ono Lennon, ‘what would happen if we held an election and no-one turned up?’

borro….

*sigh*

I thought it was about the donkey vote, but I was too polite to correct the ‘o’.

well played.

Thumper Thumper 2:23 pm 17 Oct 12

poetix said :

Thumper said :

Thumper said :

To borro somewhat from one John Ono Lennon, ‘what would happen if we held an election and no-one turned up?’

borro….

*sigh*

I thought it was about the donkey vote, but I was too polite to correct the ‘o’.

That’s what I was going to suggest. But a sigh was so much easier.

poetix poetix 2:11 pm 17 Oct 12

poetix said :

Thumper said :

Thumper said :

To borro somewhat from one John Ono Lennon, ‘what would happen if we held an election and no-one turned up?’

borro….

*sigh*

I thought it was about the donkey vote, but I was too polite to correct the ‘o’.

That is, the first ‘o’. Sigh.

After a while, the amazing privilege of being able to check one’s comments and correct them begins to pale. (But I won’t tell any of the more recent converts.)

And, without converting myself into classroom suck, I thought the article by JB above was chokkas with insight.

(I’m not even after free stuff, as I have War of the Worlds tickets…)

colourful sydney racing identity colourful sydney racing identity 2:01 pm 17 Oct 12

Thumper said :

colourful sydney racing identity said :

Thumper said :

Thumper said :

To borro somewhat from one John Ono Lennon, ‘what would happen if we held an election and no-one turned up?’

borro….

*sigh*

You know if you were a subscriber to this site you could have fixed that before anyone noticed? #smugnewsubscriber

Done.

JB – do I get free stuff now or do I have to start the ‘how to win friends and influence people CSRI style – subscribe to RA’ thread?

poetix poetix 2:01 pm 17 Oct 12

Thumper said :

Thumper said :

To borro somewhat from one John Ono Lennon, ‘what would happen if we held an election and no-one turned up?’

borro….

*sigh*

I thought it was about the donkey vote, but I was too polite to correct the ‘o’.

Keijidosha Keijidosha 2:01 pm 17 Oct 12

As I see it we have Labor on one side trying to gloss over 12 years of cost blowouts on public works projects and general financial incompetence, and the Libs trying their darnedest to scare everyone that Labor will send us to the wall with rate rises, while placating with token gestures of improved public amenity.

All I’m interested in is a Government that can focus on improving basic services, manage costs and spend less time aspiring to ideals beyond their grasp.

Thumper Thumper 1:43 pm 17 Oct 12

colourful sydney racing identity said :

Thumper said :

Thumper said :

To borro somewhat from one John Ono Lennon, ‘what would happen if we held an election and no-one turned up?’

borro….

*sigh*

You know if you were a subscriber to this site you could have fixed that before anyone noticed? #smugnewsubscriber

Done.

Thumper Thumper 1:42 pm 17 Oct 12

colourful sydney racing identity said :

Thumper said :

Thumper said :

To borro somewhat from one John Ono Lennon, ‘what would happen if we held an election and no-one turned up?’

borro….

*sigh*

You know if you were a subscriber to this site you could have fixed that before anyone noticed? #smugnewsubscriber

yeah, I know. I just haven’t quite got around to it yet 🙂

colourful sydney racing identity colourful sydney racing identity 1:39 pm 17 Oct 12

Thumper said :

Thumper said :

To borro somewhat from one John Ono Lennon, ‘what would happen if we held an election and no-one turned up?’

borro….

*sigh*

You know if you were a subscriber to this site you could have fixed that before anyone noticed? #smugnewsubscriber

miz miz 1:39 pm 17 Oct 12

The Libs have rebranded themselves as the new Labor. Not actually hard to do, as Labor appears to have lost the plot, with fractured ideals that no longer speak for the working people. As a former long time Labor voter, I am sorry to say that the Labor party are like ‘children, tossed to and fro by the waves and carried about by every wind of doctrine, by human cunning, by craftiness in deceitful schemes’. If only they had just got on with the business of running the joint properly over the last 12 years, people would not be so disgruntled and disaffected.

Jim Jones Jim Jones 1:27 pm 17 Oct 12

HenryBG said :

Deref said :

What’s the difference between Laboral and Libour? Bugger all.

Not true.

Labour gets stuff done, but they don’t manage expenditure too well (eg, AMC and Australia’s worst-performing hospital), leading to the blowout in rates.

The Libs get less done, but they are likely to keep costs down for us.

As far as sacking public servants goes – that wouldn’t be an efficient way of doing it – all they have to do is terminate the army of parasites on $100-$400 contracts and consultancies and vastly more money will be saved without losing any jobs.

The whole ‘Labour spends more’ thing is an utter myth, it’s proof of nothing more than the idea that if you keep repeating something often enough then people will start believing it.

Ditto with ‘Libs get less done’. I daresay the only reason the Libs get less stuff done is because they’ve had less time in government (in local terms anyway – on a Federal level it’s because they’re a pack of reactionary conservatives, and reactionary conservatives don’t believe in *doing* things, they’re more interested in stopping things happening because change is scary and immoral).

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