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South Tuggeranong traffic flow arrangements update

By Canfan - 8 January 2015 15

The ESA has announced further enhancements to traffic flow arrangements in South Tuggeranong following implementation of new measures in the last 24 hours.

This follows a meeting of officials from the ESA, TAMS, ACT Policing and the building contractors at lunchtime today.

For the peak period this afternoon the operation of the temporary traffic lights right near the Drakeford Drive Johnson Drive intersection will be adjusted to improve southerly traffic flow.

For tomorrow morning Woodcock Drive, from Jim Pike Avenue to Clare Dennis Avenue, will be converted to two lanes (one way) for northbound traffic from 6:00am until when the peak traffic passes. This will be determined by traffic experts on-site.

For the weekend, normal off peak temporary arrangements will remain in place before returning to back to weekday peak period arrangements on Monday morning.

The ACT Government would like to praise the patience and attitude of drivers in South Tuggeranong throughout the week.

ACT Policing has had officers in the area during peak traffic periods and advised that motorists have been very well behaved and followed the directions of traffic marshals, signals and signage.

(ESA Media Release)

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South Tuggeranong traffic flow arrangements update
watto23 9:47 am 14 Jan 15

Fair said :

Looks like it will all be over very, very soon.

I believe it was all over yesterday arvo. I can tell,

miz said :

This traffic problem has highlighted serious fire safety implications for residents in Gordon, Conder and Banks, given that both Tharwa and Woodcock Drives are to my knowledge the only roads out of those suburbs. Ironically both of those roads lead to Drakeford near or at the ESA intersection. How are the authorities going to manage mass evacuations if there are fires on the surrounding hills? How are ambulances going to get through to emergencies in those suburbs if those roads are gridlocked? I hope the government is looking at resolving these rather obvious issues.

Wow people will think of anything. Emergency vehicles would have right of way or drive around the traffic. As for bushfires, well its every man for themselves I found out. People in suburbs and streets not on the edge of the suburb, with sprinklers on the roof etc and myself with the fire burning at my backdoor with a hose that was dribbling, because I could get no water pressure. I yelled at a lot of people that week in 2003, doubt it did anything. If the fires managed to go through to these people with no idea, the city would have lost tens of thousands of homes and maybe thousands of lives, but everyone panics and thinks of themselves only. I have noticed there is an at threat map showing which houses are at threat. I bet most people haven’t looked at it.

So yeah even with that road open, it would be absolute chaos and no one would get out anyway.

Fair 3:44 pm 13 Jan 15

Looks like it will all be over very, very soon.

Skelinoz 1:04 pm 11 Jan 15

To my mind part of the problem is rather than going all the way along Woodcock Drive people are “rat running” via Clare Dennis Ave and Lewis Luxton Ave. I may be wrong but the amount of traffic at those two exits cant all be created by the residents of Gordon. Add to that the Canberra drivers habit of “Ok i have given way for 30 Secs, coming out now, ready or not” and its easy to see why the chaos ensued.

miz 11:04 am 11 Jan 15

bronal said :

miz said :

This traffic problem has highlighted serious fire safety implications for residents in Gordon, Conder and Banks, given that both Tharwa and Woodcock Drives are to my knowledge the only roads out of those suburbs. Ironically both of those roads lead to Drakeford near or at the ESA intersection. How are the authorities going to manage mass evacuations if there are fires on the surrounding hills? How are ambulances going to get through to emergencies in those suburbs if those roads are gridlocked? I hope the government is looking at resolving these rather obvious issues.

This isn’t new. The Parkway and Erindale/Yamba Drive were both closed very quickly because of smoke and flying embers during the 2003 fires.

But in that scenario there was still an alternative route, i.e. Athllon Drive. There is no such alternative for South Tuggers residents.

KB1971 1:33 pm 10 Jan 15

miz said :

This traffic problem has highlighted serious fire safety implications for residents in Gordon, Conder and Banks, given that both Tharwa and Woodcock Drives are to my knowledge the only roads out of those suburbs. Ironically both of those roads lead to Drakeford near or at the ESA intersection. How are the authorities going to manage mass evacuations if there are fires on the surrounding hills? How are ambulances going to get through to emergencies in those suburbs if those roads are gridlocked? I hope the government is looking at resolving these rather obvious issues.

Not really, in 2003 the worst fire in living history hit the west side of Canberra, no evacuation. In fact the bay advice given on the day was to stay home and not clog the roads.

In 2006 we had a massive storm hit the area that flooded the stormwater drains bank to bank., no evacuation required.

Really, if there needs to be an evacuation on that scale I think that we will all be in the sh#t.

bronal 12:59 pm 10 Jan 15

miz said :

This traffic problem has highlighted serious fire safety implications for residents in Gordon, Conder and Banks, given that both Tharwa and Woodcock Drives are to my knowledge the only roads out of those suburbs. Ironically both of those roads lead to Drakeford near or at the ESA intersection. How are the authorities going to manage mass evacuations if there are fires on the surrounding hills? How are ambulances going to get through to emergencies in those suburbs if those roads are gridlocked? I hope the government is looking at resolving these rather obvious issues.

This isn’t new. The Parkway and Erindale/Yamba Drive were both closed very quickly because of smoke and flying embers during the 2003 fires.

dungfungus 12:10 pm 10 Jan 15

miz said :

This traffic problem has highlighted serious fire safety implications for residents in Gordon, Conder and Banks, given that both Tharwa and Woodcock Drives are to my knowledge the only roads out of those suburbs. Ironically both of those roads lead to Drakeford near or at the ESA intersection. How are the authorities going to manage mass evacuations if there are fires on the surrounding hills? How are ambulances going to get through to emergencies in those suburbs if those roads are gridlocked? I hope the government is looking at resolving these rather obvious issues.

Unless there are plenty of independent candidates from the affected suburbs standing in next year’s election, don’t expect anything to change.

miz 9:12 am 10 Jan 15

This traffic problem has highlighted serious fire safety implications for residents in Gordon, Conder and Banks, given that both Tharwa and Woodcock Drives are to my knowledge the only roads out of those suburbs. Ironically both of those roads lead to Drakeford near or at the ESA intersection. How are the authorities going to manage mass evacuations if there are fires on the surrounding hills? How are ambulances going to get through to emergencies in those suburbs if those roads are gridlocked? I hope the government is looking at resolving these rather obvious issues.

Queen_of_the_Bun 6:27 pm 09 Jan 15

andym said :

I too was amazed that there was nobody around this morning at 08:30. Maybe everyone went to work at 05:00 and plan to knockoff at 14:00 and then clog the Kings Hwy?
Can anyone explain why it takes 3 weeks and not 1-2 days to dig a 1m x 30m trench, drop some pipes and and backfill it? Maybe the whole job would take 3 weeks but not the road crossing!
A.

Because it’s not a 1m x 30m trench. From ESA website:
The only other way of installing the sewer pipe is to cut open Tharwa Drive and excavate a large trench (2.5 metres wide and 3.5 metres deep) to accommodate the very large sewer pipe.
http://cdn.esa.act.gov.au/wp-content/uploads/QA-South-Tuggeranong-temporary-road-closure1.pdf

watto23 2:29 pm 09 Jan 15

andym said :

I too was amazed that there was nobody around this morning at 08:30. Maybe everyone went to work at 05:00 and plan to knockoff at 14:00 and then clog the Kings Hwy?
Can anyone explain why it takes 3 weeks and not 1-2 days to dig a 1m x 30m trench, drop some pipes and and backfill it? Maybe the whole job would take 3 weeks but not the road crossing!
A.

Well according to the government, they are hoping it will be finished sooner. I have to admit there is absolutely no traffic anywhere else in Canberra this week, except for Lanyon. Did they all decide to not take time off with the rest of Canberra? Actually the servo at Hume was quite busy with people towing boats and caravans as well.

KB1971 1:24 pm 09 Jan 15

andym said :

I too was amazed that there was nobody around this morning at 08:30. Maybe everyone went to work at 05:00 and plan to knockoff at 14:00 and then clog the Kings Hwy?
Can anyone explain why it takes 3 weeks and not 1-2 days to dig a 1m x 30m trench, drop some pipes and and backfill it? Maybe the whole job would take 3 weeks but not the road crossing!
A.

I would say that would be the easy bit, resetting the road base and redoing the ashpalt is the lengthy bit.

andym 12:40 pm 09 Jan 15

I too was amazed that there was nobody around this morning at 08:30. Maybe everyone went to work at 05:00 and plan to knockoff at 14:00 and then clog the Kings Hwy?
Can anyone explain why it takes 3 weeks and not 1-2 days to dig a 1m x 30m trench, drop some pipes and and backfill it? Maybe the whole job would take 3 weeks but not the road crossing!
A.

filash 12:12 pm 09 Jan 15

Is it because of the Friday migrate to the coast or people having enough of the chaos of the week and taking the day off (or organising other ways to work) to explain the lack of people on the road?
Traffic Tue/Wed next week will be a good indicator of how the measures have improved things …

KB1971 8:57 am 09 Jan 15

harvyk1 said :

I drove through there at just after 7am. They had people in the wrong lane all the way to covenant college (with a lollipop person at Covenant College and Clare Dennis, there was virtually no queue at all, yes it put perhaps a couple of minute delay on those people trying to get into Lanyon, but again nothing to onerous as there was only a few cars trying to get into Lanyon when I drove past.

I have to say, whilst the beginning of the week was a total F up, they are at least now trying their best to resolve the problem.

No one turned up!

I dropped the kids off to holdiay care this morning at 7:45 and went the back way into the school to avoid the back up on Tom Roberts. I noticed there was no one on Box Hill so I took a punt and went down past the shops. There was no one…….it was as quiet as Sunday morning at the same time. I walked into work in the City at 8:30, even after dropping my youngest off to Daycare.

All the traffic controllers were all standing around scratching their arses (except the ones letting people in and out of the north part of Gordon) as they had nothing to do. I asked one of them “Where the bloody hell is everybody?? He replied: “Buggered if I know” which indicates to me that traffic was light this morning.

Seems to me that we should wait until Monday to measure how the changes over the last 24 hours will work. I regularly notice that Friday morning traffic is lighter than the rest of the week for some reason; I normally get held up at Mugga Lane but on Fridays I breeze through there without stopping more often than not.

harvyk1 8:22 am 09 Jan 15

I drove through there at just after 7am. They had people in the wrong lane all the way to covenant college (with a lollipop person at Covenant College and Clare Dennis, there was virtually no queue at all, yes it put perhaps a couple of minute delay on those people trying to get into Lanyon, but again nothing to onerous as there was only a few cars trying to get into Lanyon when I drove past.

I have to say, whilst the beginning of the week was a total F up, they are at least now trying their best to resolve the problem.

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