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Stanhope weighs in on death penalty debate

GnT 12 October 2007 42

Jon Stanhope has released a statement congratulating Robert McClelland for his stand against the death penalty. He says “it is necessary to present an undeviating, unswerving opposition to the death penalty at all times … One should be able to be opposed to the death penalty without being accused of supporting criminals.”

Plenty of folks have commented in the past how our Chief Minister should stay out of national and international concerns. However when it’s a matter of principle, I think it’s right to stand up for what you believe in. It’s sad that Rudd has decided to bow to perceived public pressure on this issue, when a strong moral stand would earn him a lot of respect.

For once Stanhope has said something we can be proud of.


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Woody Mann-Caruso Woody Mann-Caruso 1:21 pm 27 Nov 07

Nice circle jerk there, guys. Which one of you got to eat the Sao while I was away?

Unfortunately, Woody didn’t have the balls to respond.

Fortunately, Woody had more important things to do.

Anyway, GnT said it all. If Indonesia told us we needed to have a death penalty, we’d say no for all sorts of very good reasons. We’d encourage them to try to understand and accept those reasons.

And if our political masters had any guts, they’d persuade them harder with economic and political sanctions, or, if their actions were heinous enough, with some hot f-cking depleted uranium through the sides of their backward heads.

In short, we’d have the moral and ethical intestinal fortitude to say “Hey! That’s wrong, you’re wrong, and you’re f-cked in the head if you think we’re just going to pretend it’s OK and we didn’t see it.” The proverb about good men doing nothing is as true as it ever was.

It’s pretty rich of you all to sit around here talking about balls, when it’s pretty obvious from your abject terror of offending our international neighbours’ delicate sensibilities that you don’t have a pair between you (or that you secretly agree with what they do, and can’t wait to roll it out here). Harden the f-ck up already.

Anyway, see you all in another six months. Oh, by the way Ralph – as I watched the election results, I imagined Kevin Rudd turkey slapping your pimply face. Sucked in, loser!

GnT GnT 8:18 am 20 Oct 07

Hang on, hang on, hang on. Let’s be a little bit intelligent here:

1. Woody was being sarcastic.

2. Just because you’re against the death penalty doesn’t mean you’re in favour of the Bali bombers being released (which was the point Stanhope made in his original press release).

3. Likewise, just because you’re against the death penalty, doesn’t mean “you support illegal drug smugglers running heroin into Australia”.

4. Australia, does have a right (and a responsibilty) to tell other countries how to run their affairs when they are doing something “we” believe to be wrong, as in all the examples Woody gave (genocide, terrorism, child abuse etc).

5. Capital punishment falls into the category of something “we” as a nation (and myself personally) think is wrong. Therefore our leaders (including local ones) have a responsibility to speak out against it.

el ......VNBerlinaV8 el ......VNBerlinaV8 7:54 pm 19 Oct 07

Sicksed.

Mr Evil Mr Evil 3:49 pm 19 Oct 07

I’ll fiffed it!

Maelinar Maelinar 3:21 pm 19 Oct 07

I take it that Thumper just Fourth’d it…

Now can I Fifth it or do I have to login under a different moniker ?

Thumper Thumper 2:56 pm 19 Oct 07

Wow, internet harmonies….

Maelinar Maelinar 2:18 pm 19 Oct 07

Thirdidered

Ralph Ralph 2:13 pm 19 Oct 07

Seconded.

BigDave BigDave 1:49 pm 19 Oct 07

Unfortunately, Woody didn’t have the balls to respond. As I previously said “Is it because you are incapable of coming up with a valid argument?” It would seem so.
I deem this debate officially over and hereby declare Woody the loser.

Pandy Pandy 8:01 am 16 Oct 07

Where can I get the job of hangman in Bali?

Ralph Ralph 7:59 am 16 Oct 07

Cut the crap seepi, you support illegal drug smugglers running heroin into Australia do you?

They took the risks, knowing full well that they face the death penalty if caught.

BigDave BigDave 10:57 pm 15 Oct 07

OK Woody. Seeing as you’re obviously the resident professor, kindly answer one of my earlier questions. And truthfully please.

Let’s say that Indonesia is fed up with the likes of Schapelle Corby, the Bali 9 etc. etc. and feels that Australia doesn’t do enough to combat these type of people. It now insists that we must impose a death penalty.

What would you say? Yes or No??

We’re waiting….

sepi sepi 9:30 pm 15 Oct 07

You can be either for the death penalty (for murderers etc), or against it (in all cases). You can’t be against the death penalty within Australia, and for Australians overseas like the Bali 9, but yet support the death penalty for Foreigners who harm australians.

Of course little Johnny H isn’t actually that conflicted – really he supports the death peanly for Australians as well – that’s why he allowed the Bali 9 to be dobbed in. His pretence that he is generally anti the death penalty is the hypocritical part.

BigDave BigDave 2:37 pm 15 Oct 07

Woody, I think you’re missing the point here. If you think that the death penalty should be banned in, for example, Indonesia then that’s fine. That’s your opinion. I dont like a lot of things that go on in some other countries either. But the fact of the matter is this. We don’t govern those countries, we aren’t a part of those countries. Therefore, it’s not our business to tell them what they should or should not be doing. Can you grasp that??
How would you react if Indonesia turned around to us and said that we needed to impose a death penalty?? Or India suddenly pipes up and demands that we become a Hindu state??
You’d tell them to get stuffed wouldn’t you? So what’s the difference??

Also Woody, why is it that people, such as yourself, must resort to petty name calling? Is it because you are incapable of coming up with a valid argument?

barking toad barking toad 11:37 am 15 Oct 07

I’m getting confused by the woody one.

He seems to be saying we can’t “tell” other countries what they can and can’t do.

Which contradicts what our local mayor froths about instead of fixing potholes – which is what he was elected for.

Woody states he is in favour of the filthy murdering Bali bomber scums being released which is where we tend to have differing opinions.

Firing squad is right. Release is wrong.

Absent Diane Absent Diane 7:45 am 15 Oct 07

the only good thing about the death penalty in the bali bombers case is that they are adamant they are going to paradise – which translated means that they are probably infact scared sh*tless – I would love to see the look in their eyes as they die when they realise that there is no god and they murdered a bunch of people based on text which is very obviously garbage.

Although I would much prefer to see them studied in science labs for the rest of their lives. Where the fck is allah now bitches!!

Woody Mann-Caruso Woody Mann-Caruso 3:46 pm 14 Oct 07

Tell us, do you think the filthy murdering scum Bali bombers deserve release?

Absolutely. What bloody right have we got telling other countries whether or not they should release terrorists for Christ’s sake?? It’s none of Australia’s (or anyone else’s) business. We need to butt out of it!

Frothing at the mouth, and visibly shaking with rage, Woody managed to splutter the following:

I like that you sit at home thinking about my purty mouth, Ralph. Believe me, I feel no rage, nor even mild surprise, that people like you, SmallDickBigDave and Mr Toad can’t grasp even basic logical concepts.

Now, were you actually going to try to defend absolute relativism? You’ve had plenty of time to read about it – or hasn’t Andrew Dolt had time to cover it? If you think that was an “elaborate statement”, you’re even slower than I thought. Here, I’ll dumb it down for you:

If you think that what happens in other countries is OK purely because it happens in other countries, and if you think something happening in another country places it beyond scrutiny or criticism by people who don’t live there, then you can’t have a position about heinous, fucked-up shit like slavery, or genital mutilation of young girls, or suicide bombers, because it’s none of our business. If you’re an absolute relativist, you sound like BigDave, and you say retarded things like:

What bloody right have we got telling other countries whether or not they should gas Jews for Christ’s sake?? It’s none of Australia’s (or anyone else’s) business. We need to butt out of it!

What bloody right have we got telling other countries whether or not they should fly planes into buildings for Christ’s sake?? It’s none of Australia’s (or anyone else’s) business. We need to butt out of it!

What bloody right have we got telling other countries whether or not they should conscript children for Christ’s sake?? It’s none of Australia’s (or anyone else’s) business. We need to butt out of it!

I’m waiting. Let’s hear your elegant defence of a mode of thought that everybody with half a brain has known is fatally flawed since Socrates made Protagoras his bitch over two thousands years ago.

Ralph Ralph 10:24 am 14 Oct 07

Frothing at the mouth, and visibly shaking with rage, Woody managed to splutter the following:

That’s called “absolute relativism”, and it’s a line of “reasoning” (I use the term loosely) typically used by simpletons who are attracted by its superficial veil of internal consistency and because it absolves them of any responsibiity for anything.

Such elaborate statements are also known as rhetoric, which is usually employed by left-wing simpletons to make innocuous arguments sound intricate and complex.

Fix the hospitals and roads, Stanhope.

Growling Ferret Growling Ferret 9:35 pm 13 Oct 07

Booma

“Nohope wasn’t elected by anyone, bar you perhaps, to voice opinions on national and international affairs, much as though he thinks otherwise.”

The Toad is right. He was not elected for his national and international opinions. He is CM of the ACT – a glorified mayor who should deal with local issues instead of Howard-esque diversions away from doing his real job

Vic Bitterman Vic Bitterman 8:42 pm 13 Oct 07

Well said Mr Evil.

stanhope should just shut his big fat useless mouth and get on with allegedly governing this territory. Of which he is doing a lousy job anyway.

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