Surprised at the lack of comment over the suspended sentence for the admitted rapist of the 14 yr old girl.

Impassive 16 November 2007 44

As a new contributor to this site I am a little surprised at the lack of comment on the suspended sentence and community service that 31 yr old Craig Noon got on Oct 31st for raping his 14 year old girlfriend. What message does this send to the paedophiles in our community?

Justice Grey thought it an appropriate response for an adult who lived with a child and forced her to have sex on numerous occasions. This is clear evidence of how out of touch the judiciary is in the ACT and that the concept of lifetime appointment needs to be debated.

The public have had no say in this man’s appointment or his continued service and can reasonably expect that this sort of sentence will be repeated. Do we really want someone on the bench who thinks that it is a minor issue for a 31 year old man to live with and rape a 14 year old girl? I think not, but there is nothing we can do about it.

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44 Responses to Surprised at the lack of comment over the suspended sentence for the admitted rapist of the 14 yr old girl.
Special G Special G 9:05 am 20 Nov 07

Maybe they should be put in the general population as part of their rehab.

Deadmandrinking Deadmandrinking 11:33 pm 19 Nov 07

For most criminals, that is correct, Impassive. However, Pedo’s are kept from the general prison population, for fear they might (and almost definitely will) get bashed. So there’s a start there.

Impassive Impassive 10:42 pm 19 Nov 07

that should read “but I think we all accept that there is NO rehab in prison…”

Impassive Impassive 10:40 pm 19 Nov 07

Unless he had a gun held to his head Noon should be held responsible for his actions – as the rest of us are. We all know what the age of consent is.

Our courts accept the theories of psychologists and psychiatrists as fact and excuse the behaviour of the perpetrators.

What do we want the justice system to do?? Punish adults for their behavior or keep the community safe from known threats? There is the other option of rehabilitation but I think we all accept that there is rehab in prison, and there is little evidence to prove that rehab works.

I’ll take the ‘keep safe’ option – if the fear of the punishment doesn’t stop perpetrators acting, then we have a problem. I want my family kept safe.

I don’t get the idea behind prison. You take someone who is a risk and brutalise them for a period of time and then let them out.. and expect that they are no longer a threat.. Sounds like madness to me..

The only exception should be those who are genuinely psychotically ill – who are not responsible for their actions. That doesn’t include personality disorders or sexual deviance.

Unfortunately, in the case of mental illness we have followed the US lead where they shut their hospitals and now the gaols are full of insane inmates.

VicePope VicePope 9:19 pm 19 Nov 07

The sentence seemed very light, but the transcript of the sentencing hearing does not tell one anything. Either (a) there were some factors that seemed to His Honour to warrant an exceptionally light sentence or (b) His Honour messed up big time. If (a), probably no dramas, although the reasoning might be interesting to some. If (b), DPP should appeal – the limited transcript suggests DPP was there and did not add anything to what may have been an agreed position.

There are lots of reasons possible sentences are reduced, apart from the cost to the community and the need to keep top end sentences for top end instances of offences. Pleading guilty early helps. So does cooperating with whatever the cops want to know about anything one knows. So does being respectful in court. A big factor is creating a solid belief that one is mending one’s ways. Then there are things like not being terribly culpable – if, for example, one is an exceptionally dumb or naive example of the human race. There’s a reference to cannabis use, requiring some form of intervention in this case. The sentence did seem light in this case, but without knowing all the facts and sitting there for the entire miserable thing and reading every report and document, we can’t know.

Deadmandrinking Deadmandrinking 5:51 pm 19 Nov 07

True, Mr. Action Man. But it can’t be accepted in this country. That’s the bottom line.

I’m all for rehabilitation, though. But in these cases, not while the offender is free.

Affirmative Action Man Affirmative Action Man 3:59 pm 19 Nov 07

I don’t know the details of this case but Age of Consent matters are often not simply black & white. I think Jerry Lee Lewis married his 13 year old cousin and there would be plenty of cases of marriages (with special court dispensation) in Western Societies between 13 and 14 year old girls & prospective husbands never mind what happens in more tribal societies. I’m not suggesting 13 or 14 year olds should get married or engage in sex but am simply saying it is not a black & white issue.

Deadmandrinking Deadmandrinking 1:14 pm 19 Nov 07

I realize that perfectly, Nyssa. But I also realize that those things happen by accident. The same can happen when a generally-law-abiding citizen is speeding, or if they’ve had a few too many champagnes at the company christmas party.

Pedophilia is never an accident.

nyssa76 nyssa76 7:55 am 19 Nov 07

Special G, give up. DMD doesn’t realise that a car being misused can be a deadly weapon and cause far greater damage than he has the mental capacity to understand.

Special G Special G 7:17 am 19 Nov 07

No, not at risk of roaming the streets and snatching children – just your car and wallet then killing your kid on the way out and someone else’s kid when they run from the cops.

Pedophiles in my opinion should be taken care of using the Chinese system – cheap, efficient and no chance of reoffending.

Deadmandrinking Deadmandrinking 10:15 pm 18 Nov 07

I was suggesting they be rehabilitated whilst locked up. Car thieves whom ACCIDENTLY kill people through irresponsible behavior aren’t at risk of roaming the streets and snatching up children.
Drink-drivers and speeders kill Australians every year too, you know.

Special G Special G 7:34 pm 17 Nov 07

I will make the same comment on two different threads to make my point.

DMD – In relation to pedophiles you are saying they cannot be rehabilitated and they need to be locked up for the good of society, yet car thieves who kill people are well worth the rehabilitation effort. Which way do you want to play the rehab game?

Special G Special G 6:25 pm 17 Nov 07

Is it possible that even RiotACT punters have given up commenting on the utter uselessness of the ACT Courts?

Deadmandrinking Deadmandrinking 3:48 pm 16 Nov 07

Okay finished school, so now I can address your post Diana. That’s a good point. You seem to have a bag of them.

My question is, can estrogen/testosterone levels be treated?

chester chester 3:15 pm 16 Nov 07

The reason the ACT courts come up with these sort of astoundingly inadequate sentences is because they’re a pack of sick mysonginistic bastards. Even the females – though you’ll note there isn’t a woman in coo-ee of the Supreme Court bench.

The sexual impropriety (and that’s putting much of it mildly) that regularly has a blind eye turned towards it by government officials and courts in this town is becoming increasingly disturbing.

Deadmandrinking Deadmandrinking 1:29 pm 16 Nov 07

Why won’t you let me double-post?

Okay, maybe they aren’t born gay. But would it be estrogen and testosterone that’s making pedo’s abuse children?

Absent Diane Absent Diane 1:29 pm 16 Nov 07

i think you just need to look at how androgynous children are? Possibly a common link there then.

Deadmandrinking Deadmandrinking 1:28 pm 16 Nov 07

Okay, now I’m going to double-post.

Right now, considering how much is publicly known about pedophilia, it is in the best interest to prevent these people from having contact with children. Prison is a sure way. Pedo’s are seperated from the general prison population, so they have less problems that would affect their functioning outside of prison than most prisoners do.

Outside of prison, they are registered as sex offenders where almost every aspect of their lives are monitored. Although this system has alot of holes (way too many, really), it’s a good start.

Attempts to tackle the problem psychologically shouldn’t be thrown out the window, though.

Absent Diane Absent Diane 1:23 pm 16 Nov 07

thats where you are wrong DMD – I don’t believe that most people are born gay – I believe some are and probably some are a combination. That is logical.

For example a child may go through some disruption in their life and attach to the wrong parent at whatever stage and that has permanent impacts for the rest of their life. It is very basic freud. My knowledge isn’t that in-depth but there are some very basic logical conclusions that you come to. it is way to easy to say all poofs are born and all pedderarses are environmental. the world aint black and white.

Deadmandrinking Deadmandrinking 1:23 pm 16 Nov 07

Sorry to double-post if I am, but I gotta be quick, gotta go back to school.

Diane, you made an interesting point. I might be completely wrong about this. But then again, I think we’re all making uneducated guesses. But hey, when was Riot-Act ever a forum of experts? Might as well learn off each others. That’s what debates are for, right?

But I’m wondering how any testosterone/estrongen imbalance could trigger an adult to want to sleep with a child? That kind of imbalance would only affect the selection of gender of partners wouldn’t it?

Wouldn’t it be something wrong with the natural sense of breeding ages (as well as the need for similar maturity of mind among partners) in the case of a pedo? Would that be a different part of the brain that’s doing that? I don’t know, someone’s going to have to enlighten me. But not impassive, who seems to anti-progressive as well as stupid.

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