The little buggers might get braver but they don't get any smarter

maxblues said :

wildturkeycanoe said :

All you people make me sick. Instead of looking at the issue at hand [juvenile delinquents defacing public property] you all just ignored the problem by talking about aesthetics, politics and night clubs. These same children will be the ones who in ten years time come and steal your car, hold up service stations and supermarkets for drug money, bludge off our taxes whilst you are wondering “What happened to society?”
In broad daylight, these imbeciles can get away with things knowing full well that nobody can touch them. Is it our fault? Yes. We let the politically correct take over and pretty much disband any form of punishment for wrongdoings. Anyone who witnessed this [camera person included] should have fronted the youths and told them what for. Unfortunately, again thanks due to the goody goodies of today, you wouldn’t be allowed to touch them [citizen’s arrest] or they’d cry foul and you would end up in jail yourself. Criminals can get away with anything at the expense of innocent people and we just keep encouraging them from school age right up till they leave home.
Society has collapsed into a sad, sad state and all I want to do is get away from it and it’s crassness.

Where are you going?

Maybe QLD? Where the gov likes to think everyone is a criminal associate.

wildturkeycanoe said :

All you people make me sick. Instead of looking at the issue at hand [juvenile delinquents defacing public property] you all just ignored the problem by talking about aesthetics, politics and night clubs. These same children will be the ones who in ten years time come and steal your car, hold up service stations and supermarkets for drug money, bludge off our taxes whilst you are wondering “What happened to society?”
In broad daylight, these imbeciles can get away with things knowing full well that nobody can touch them. Is it our fault? Yes. We let the politically correct take over and pretty much disband any form of punishment for wrongdoings. Anyone who witnessed this [camera person included] should have fronted the youths and told them what for. Unfortunately, again thanks due to the goody goodies of today, you wouldn’t be allowed to touch them [citizen’s arrest] or they’d cry foul and you would end up in jail yourself. Criminals can get away with anything at the expense of innocent people and we just keep encouraging them from school age right up till they leave home.
Society has collapsed into a sad, sad state and all I want to do is get away from it and it’s crassness.

How old are you exactly? 100? Cut the melodrama.

wildturkeycanoe said :

All you people make me sick. Instead of looking at the issue at hand [juvenile delinquents defacing public property] you all just ignored the problem by talking about aesthetics, politics and night clubs. These same children will be the ones who in ten years time come and steal your car, hold up service stations and supermarkets for drug money, bludge off our taxes whilst you are wondering “What happened to society?”
In broad daylight, these imbeciles can get away with things knowing full well that nobody can touch them. Is it our fault? Yes. We let the politically correct take over and pretty much disband any form of punishment for wrongdoings. Anyone who witnessed this [camera person included] should have fronted the youths and told them what for. Unfortunately, again thanks due to the goody goodies of today, you wouldn’t be allowed to touch them [citizen’s arrest] or they’d cry foul and you would end up in jail yourself. Criminals can get away with anything at the expense of innocent people and we just keep encouraging them from school age right up till they leave home.
Society has collapsed into a sad, sad state and all I want to do is get away from it and it’s crassness.

Where are you going?

MERC600 said :

maxblues said :

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

More human trash.

Did not know souls bar closed. Sucks I guess when bars and pubs close, but maybe they should have cleaned there lines every now and then and opened up on the weekends.

The Soul Bar had THREE different leases off three different landlords; one for the bar area, one for the outside area in the square and one for the rear beer garden. The beer garden area was a public liability nightmare with extensive pavement damage by tree roots. Initially Doma were going to do something about it but nothing has happened.

Has the Soul definately closed ? Not just closed temp for a bit of refurb or sumthin ?

The owner CSL Pubs was put into liquidation December 3. RSM Bird Cameron are handling it.

That doesn’t necessarily mean it won’t open again, technically Ziggys Market Fresh has been in liquidation for months and their Fyshwick Markets store is certainly hasn’t missed a beat. There’s all sorts of tricks. But if the place is in the state some suggest, then more likely they’ll just let the liquidation take its course.

All you people make me sick. Instead of looking at the issue at hand [juvenile delinquents defacing public property] you all just ignored the problem by talking about aesthetics, politics and night clubs. These same children will be the ones who in ten years time come and steal your car, hold up service stations and supermarkets for drug money, bludge off our taxes whilst you are wondering “What happened to society?”
In broad daylight, these imbeciles can get away with things knowing full well that nobody can touch them. Is it our fault? Yes. We let the politically correct take over and pretty much disband any form of punishment for wrongdoings. Anyone who witnessed this [camera person included] should have fronted the youths and told them what for. Unfortunately, again thanks due to the goody goodies of today, you wouldn’t be allowed to touch them [citizen’s arrest] or they’d cry foul and you would end up in jail yourself. Criminals can get away with anything at the expense of innocent people and we just keep encouraging them from school age right up till they leave home.
Society has collapsed into a sad, sad state and all I want to do is get away from it and it’s crassness.

maxblues said :

MERC600 said :

maxblues said :

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

More human trash.

Did not know souls bar closed. Sucks I guess when bars and pubs close, but maybe they should have cleaned there lines every now and then and opened up on the weekends.

The Soul Bar had THREE different leases off three different landlords; one for the bar area, one for the outside area in the square and one for the rear beer garden. The beer garden area was a public liability nightmare with extensive pavement damage by tree roots. Initially Doma were going to do something about it but nothing has happened.

Has the Soul definately closed ? Not just closed temp for a bit of refurb or sumthin ?

Yes, they went broke. I believe the business in the hands of receivers but not sure which ones.

Now in the Crimes, Josh Gray, owner of Durham Castle Arms, Kingston is complaining that his business is going broke. He goes on to say that his establishment is looking tatty, he has had to lay off staff and has asked the landlord for a rent reduction. He firstly blames the ACT government’s licensing costs but then goes onto blame punters having a drink in the safety of their own homes rather than coming to his establishment where they could be ‘supervised’.

Weatherman said :

IrishPete said :

Straw-clutching.

IP

The evidence can speak for itself.

Indeed. Weak circumstantial evidence places Greens Senate candidate at the scene of graffiti which does not mention The Greens. He was at the scene some unknown time after the graffiti was created. Mr Sheikh was not wearing anything identifying him as a Greens member or candidate, though he was invited in that capacity. In numerous photographs of the protest event, no Greens banners were visible. The protest was not organised by The Greens. Greens MLA and ACT Minister Shane Rattenbury and former MLA Amanda Bresnan also photographed at the protest, and neither was wearing any visible Greens insignia.

You’re not a lawyer, are you?

The protest was outside the ACT Labor conference. I think I’ll blame them – we’ll call it deliberate sabotage to undermine their opponents, knowing there was to be a protest there that day. There’s as much credible evidence for my claim as there is for yours that it’s The Greens’ fault.

IP

IrishPete said :

Straw-clutching.

IP

The evidence can speak for itself.

Weatherman said :

IrishPete said :

If you can’t see the difference between someone attending a rally and speaking at it, and being responsible for everything that happens before, during and after the rally by other people attending it, well, then words fail me…

IP

The graffiti does display rhetoric which can be attributed to the socialist ideals held by The Greens. It’s one thing for people with placards to stand around someone. The politicians assistants will usually choose a position to avoid those placard wavers, however, they are not idle, they can move around whenever the press are nearby.

Where as, there is a choice in being able to position yourself in front of graffiti on a permanent structure. There are advisers.

Straw-clutching.

IP

IrishPete said :

If you can’t see the difference between someone attending a rally and speaking at it, and being responsible for everything that happens before, during and after the rally by other people attending it, well, then words fail me…

IP

The graffiti does display rhetoric which can be attributed to the socialist ideals held by The Greens. It’s one thing for people with placards to stand around someone. The politicians assistants will usually choose a position to avoid those placard wavers, however, they are not idle, they can move around whenever the press are nearby.

Where as, there is a choice in being able to position yourself in front of graffiti on a permanent structure. There are advisers.

CraigT said :

IrishPete said :

In my opinion The Greens occupy the political space that Labor used to maybe 20 or 30 years ago.

Nope.
So long as the Greens offer a safe haven for refugees from the Marxist/Leninist past with histories of active collaboration with the enemy, they can never occupy any adult political space.

Your post should have come with a health warning – I nearly choked on my beer at the suggestion that the Liberals or Labor occupy an “adult political space”.

I have no idea what enemy you are referring to. In recent years both Labor and Liberals seem to think it’s East Timor. Very adult of them.

IP

Weatherman said :

IrishPete said :

Weatherman said :

They are learning this behaviour from far-left extremists. Such as the socialist faction of The Greens.

I have examined closely the photo you linked to, and there is no mention of The Greens. I think you must be confused. The symbol A within a circle means “anarchy” I think, and The Greens are not an anarchist party. I don’t know what the other squiggle means – it looks like it may be a variation on the anarchy symbol.

IP

They all seemed to be together at the same time in the one spot along with The Greens candidate Simon Sheikh while he held a press conference.

I presume based on your approach, you blame the Liberal Party for the “Ditch the Witch” and “Bob Brown’s Bitch” banners that Tony Abbott stood in front of? http://www.news.com.au/national/carbon-tax-protesters-labelled-extremists-as-they-rally-in-canberra/story-e6frfkvr-1226026923287

If you can’t see the difference between someone attending a rally and speaking at it, and being responsible for everything that happens before, during and after the rally by other people attending it, well, then words fail me…

IP

IrishPete said :

In my opinion The Greens occupy the political space that Labor used to maybe 20 or 30 years ago.

Nope.
So long as the Greens offer a safe haven for refugees from the Marxist/Leninist past with histories of active collaboration with the enemy, they can never occupy any adult political space.

IrishPete said :

Weatherman said :

They are learning this behaviour from far-left extremists. Such as the socialist faction of The Greens.

I have examined closely the photo you linked to, and there is no mention of The Greens. I think you must be confused. The symbol A within a circle means “anarchy” I think, and The Greens are not an anarchist party. I don’t know what the other squiggle means – it looks like it may be a variation on the anarchy symbol.

IP

They all seemed to be together at the same time in the one spot along with The Greens candidate Simon Sheikh while he held a press conference.

The other symbol is an anarchist/freedom symbol associated with anarcho-folk punk music. http://commons.m.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Love_is_Freedom.jpg

Weatherman said :

They are learning this behaviour from far-left extremists. Such as the socialist faction of The Greens.

http://the-riotact.com/photos-of-asylum-seeker-policy-protest-in-woden/110840

http://i40.tinypic.com/14eazhx.jpg

I take it you are saying that some pro-Greens something (poster? sticker? graffiti?) appeared after this protest march, which wasn’t organised by The Greens. Is it that hard to actually say what you mean?

I have examined closely the photo you linked to, and there is no mention of The Greens. I think you must be confused. The symbol A within a circle means “anarchy” I think, and The Greens are not an anarchist party. I don’t know what the other squiggle means – it looks like it may be a variation on the anarchy symbol.

Simon Sheikh is in one of the photos standing near the graffiti but there’s a TV camera and a photographer nearer still. Are we going to accuse the cameraman and photographer of the graffiti now?

So now that you yourself have established that you are talking shite, here’s a little lesson in politics:
In my opinion The Greens occupy the political space that Labor used to maybe 20 or 30 years ago. But Labor have drifted so far to the right, and the Liberals and Nationals have had to stay ahead of them, that there is now only one major party that gives a toss about anything but forming government. Everything else is secondary. Locking people up for life in concentration-camp-like conditions? Yep, no problem, if it gets us a vote.

Of course the right-left uni-dimensional view of politics is too simplistic. Some Labor policies remain a little left-wing, and sometimes the Liberals and Nationals seem to cherrypick policies from the left too.

IP

I should also mention that in the linked the-riotact article, it also features a slideshow, of which one of the images appears to show the former candidate Simon Sheikh standing in front of the graffiti while presenting a speech.

They are learning this behaviour from far-left extremists. Such as the socialist faction of The Greens.

http://the-riotact.com/photos-of-asylum-seeker-policy-protest-in-woden/110840

http://i40.tinypic.com/14eazhx.jpg

MERC600 said :

maxblues said :

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

More human trash.

Did not know souls bar closed. Sucks I guess when bars and pubs close, but maybe they should have cleaned there lines every now and then and opened up on the weekends.

The Soul Bar had THREE different leases off three different landlords; one for the bar area, one for the outside area in the square and one for the rear beer garden. The beer garden area was a public liability nightmare with extensive pavement damage by tree roots. Initially Doma were going to do something about it but nothing has happened.

Has the Soul definately closed ? Not just closed temp for a bit of refurb or sumthin ?

Yes, they went broke. I believe the business in the hands of receivers but not sure which ones.

IrishPete said :

Weatherman said :

We shouldn’t be blaming these kids. They are only doing what The Greens did when they defaced the same public artwork with graffiti during Simon Sheik’s election campaign speech with the “no borders” graffiti.

Of course you’ll have evidence to up back that allegation?

You know, sometimes political parties fake activity by their opponents to discredit them. That’s usually the Liberals or Labor.

IP

And of course, you’ll have evidence to show it was the ALP or tories faking political action to blame the Greens?

Of course, it could also have been polar bears disguised as aliens whilst masquerading as greens supporters. But sadly I don’t have any evidence to prove that either.

I have posted a link to an article in which a senior conservative politician admitted her husband engaged in such deceptive activities. I could probably post a few more, but I don’t feel like doing all that work to convince people who don’t seem to be politically conscious. Anyone who denies it occurs must be new to Australia. It’s quite common in the puerile world of adversarial politics inhabited by the Labor and Liberal parties (much less so amongst the Nationals I think, but I might be wrong).

IP

neanderthalsis said :

IrishPete said :

Weatherman said :

We shouldn’t be blaming these kids. They are only doing what The Greens did when they defaced the same public artwork with graffiti during Simon Sheik’s election campaign speech with the “no borders” graffiti.

Of course you’ll have evidence to up back that allegation?

You know, sometimes political parties fake activity by their opponents to discredit them. That’s usually the Liberals or Labor.

IP

So you’re suggesting that the Young Liberals infiltrated the Greens and vandalised a public artwork during a political rally?

The mindset of your average Fine Arts student/Greens/Socialist Alliance member is that the world is their platform for protest. These people think that defacing public property is OK if you’re trying to get your message across. Your average Young Lib/Lab would just heckle or even try to pick up the free and easy art student types.

I

neanderthalsis said :

IrishPete said :

Weatherman said :

We shouldn’t be blaming these kids. They are only doing what The Greens did when they defaced the same public artwork with graffiti during Simon Sheik’s election campaign speech with the “no borders” graffiti.

Of course you’ll have evidence to up back that allegation?

You know, sometimes political parties fake activity by their opponents to discredit them. That’s usually the Liberals or Labor.

IP

So you’re suggesting that the Young Liberals infiltrated the Greens and vandalised a public artwork during a political rally?

The mindset of your average Fine Arts student/Greens/Socialist Alliance member is that the world is their platform for protest. These people think that defacing public property is OK if you’re trying to get your message across. Your average Young Lib/Lab would just heckle or even try to pick up the free and easy art student types.

Well, perhaps the original claim might be backed up with some description of what “defacing” took place.If it wasn’t there before a Greens rally and was there after, then I think their assumption is reasonable.

If it just appeared one day, then who knows who put it there. Just because it might have said “Vote Greens” doesn’t mean that some dirty trickster didn’t do it. I don’t even know if it was graffiti, or a poster or a sticker, because the original allegation was so vague.

Your additional allegations against Greens members are just diatribe. Trolling even. Good luck getting anyone to take the bait. Not me. Maybe it’s because I don’t have a Fine Arts degree and have never been a member of the Socialist Alliance, but am a Greens member.

IP

joingler said :

IrishPete said :

Weatherman said :

We shouldn’t be blaming these kids. They are only doing what The Greens did when they defaced the same public artwork with graffiti during Simon Sheik’s election campaign speech with the “no borders” graffiti.

Of course you’ll have evidence to up back that allegation?

You know, sometimes political parties fake activity by their opponents to discredit them. That’s usually the Liberals or Labor.

IP

Of course you’ll have evidence to back up that allegation?

Happy to oblige http://www.smh.com.au/news/federal-election-2007-news/chaserstyle-prank/2007/11/22/1195321873077.html

Just the first one I found. There have been others.

IP

maxblues said :

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

More human trash.

Did not know souls bar closed. Sucks I guess when bars and pubs close, but maybe they should have cleaned there lines every now and then and opened up on the weekends.

The Soul Bar had THREE different leases off three different landlords; one for the bar area, one for the outside area in the square and one for the rear beer garden. The beer garden area was a public liability nightmare with extensive pavement damage by tree roots. Initially Doma were going to do something about it but nothing has happened.

I’d hardly call it a “beer garden”. It was more of a area where under worked pseudo yuppies compared bank balances and talked about facebook

EvanJames said :

I’ve always hated that square, ever since they built Woden Plaza (early 80s, or was it late 70s?). The worst wind-canyon in Canberra. it seems to want to repel any people who venture into it. More trees might help. If they can survive the bogan vandals who seem to be proliferating these days.

1972

maxblues said :

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

More human trash.

Did not know souls bar closed. Sucks I guess when bars and pubs close, but maybe they should have cleaned there lines every now and then and opened up on the weekends.

The Soul Bar had THREE different leases off three different landlords; one for the bar area, one for the outside area in the square and one for the rear beer garden. The beer garden area was a public liability nightmare with extensive pavement damage by tree roots. Initially Doma were going to do something about it but nothing has happened.

Has the Soul definately closed ? Not just closed temp for a bit of refurb or sumthin ?

ausbradr said :

Well, in all fairness, mooseheads do need a new generation of clientele. They don’t just grow on trees, you know!

What is point are you trying to make?

Isn’t somebody going to find a Marist connection here? (just sayin’…….)

I assume Civic and other re-generation hotspots around the town are totally graffiti free???

Well, in all fairness, mooseheads do need a new generation of clientele. They don’t just grow on trees, you know!

I’ve always hated that square, ever since they built Woden Plaza (early 80s, or was it late 70s?). The worst wind-canyon in Canberra. it seems to want to repel any people who venture into it. More trees might help. If they can survive the bogan vandals who seem to be proliferating these days.

IrishPete said :

Weatherman said :

We shouldn’t be blaming these kids. They are only doing what The Greens did when they defaced the same public artwork with graffiti during Simon Sheik’s election campaign speech with the “no borders” graffiti.

Of course you’ll have evidence to up back that allegation?

You know, sometimes political parties fake activity by their opponents to discredit them. That’s usually the Liberals or Labor.

IP

So you’re suggesting that the Young Liberals infiltrated the Greens and vandalised a public artwork during a political rally?

The mindset of your average Fine Arts student/Greens/Socialist Alliance member is that the world is their platform for protest. These people think that defacing public property is OK if you’re trying to get your message across. Your average Young Lib/Lab would just heckle or even try to pick up the free and easy art student types.

IrishPete said :

Weatherman said :

We shouldn’t be blaming these kids. They are only doing what The Greens did when they defaced the same public artwork with graffiti during Simon Sheik’s election campaign speech with the “no borders” graffiti.

Of course you’ll have evidence to up back that allegation?

You know, sometimes political parties fake activity by their opponents to discredit them. That’s usually the Liberals or Labor.

IP

Of course you’ll have evidence to back up that allegation?

Weatherman said :

We shouldn’t be blaming these kids. They are only doing what The Greens did when they defaced the same public artwork with graffiti during Simon Sheik’s election campaign speech with the “no borders” graffiti.

Of course you’ll have evidence to up back that allegation?

You know, sometimes political parties fake activity by their opponents to discredit them. That’s usually the Liberals or Labor.

IP

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

More human trash.

Did not know souls bar closed. Sucks I guess when bars and pubs close, but maybe they should have cleaned there lines every now and then and opened up on the weekends.

The Soul Bar had THREE different leases off three different landlords; one for the bar area, one for the outside area in the square and one for the rear beer garden. The beer garden area was a public liability nightmare with extensive pavement damage by tree roots. Initially Doma were going to do something about it but nothing has happened.

We shouldn’t be blaming these kids. They are only doing what The Greens did when they defaced the same public artwork with graffiti during Simon Sheik’s election campaign speech with the “no borders” graffiti.

goggles13 said :

not to mention demolishing the Alexander and Albemarle Buildings. whatever happened to this project?

Doma Group received development approval back in early 2012 to demolish the two buildings and replace them with A-grade office towers.

According to their website, they intended to start this year, I’d say that target is kaput. http://www.domagroup.com.au/developments/commercial?property_id=345&property_status=current

Meanwhile opposite those two buildings where currently there’s just an expanse of asphalt is Section 9 which is intended to be the high density residential and street level commercial infill. That’s intended to liven up that end of Woden and create a promenade linking to Corinna St. Not sure where that’s at.

Roundhead89 said :

Deref said :

It’s a truly horrible place. As much as I think these little shits deserve to be in the stocks, the architects and designers who make these inhuman spaces deserve it much more.

Hopefully the Westfield redevelopment and the bulldozing of Woden Interchange and the former cop shop will bring about a change for the better. Woden Town Square has always been an ugly wind tunnel. Not even the removal of the notorious fountain (which always had empty cans and other rubbish floating in it) brought about an improvement.

not to mention demolishing the Alexander and Albemarle Buildings. whatever happened to this project?

c_c™ said :

What that end of Woden needs is urban infill, and if the nimbys would stop protesting it and the developers could get their finances in order, it might liven up the place 7 days a week.

They can’t get finance until they can demonstrate profit on the project, which won’t happen whilee we have so many unit blocks underway and being finished off. I know of a number of development projects that have been cancelled because the numbers didn’t stack up at the financing stage.

This is all part of a stagnant property market. Soon it will be time for savvy purchasers to go shopping.

More human trash.

Did not know souls bar closed. Sucks I guess when bars and pubs close, but maybe they should have cleaned there lines every now and then and opened up on the weekends.

Roundhead89 said :

Deref said :

It’s a truly horrible place. As much as I think these little shits deserve to be in the stocks, the architects and designers who make these inhuman spaces deserve it much more.

Hopefully the Westfield redevelopment and the bulldozing of Woden Interchange and the former cop shop will bring about a change for the better. Woden Town Square has always been an ugly wind tunnel. Not even the removal of the notorious fountain (which always had empty cans and other rubbish floating in it) brought about an improvement.

You are on the money with the wind tunnel comment. I was there, in the square, on Wednesday arvo. I know it was a windy day but the wind going through the square was something special.

We need to get some CSI enhancement on that image that takes 20 secs and chuck it in a database and his face will no doubt come up as a hit.

that’s how it works right?

I hope you sent that reported that and uploaded the photo here….

https://act.crimestoppers.com.au/help-solve-crime/crime-stoppers-information-report

You can do it anonymously of course, but it would be better if you were prepared to go to court if necessary to give evidence of when you took the photo

Deref said :

It’s a truly horrible place. As much as I think these little shits deserve to be in the stocks, the architects and designers who make these inhuman spaces deserve it much more.

Hopefully the Westfield redevelopment and the bulldozing of Woden Interchange and the former cop shop will bring about a change for the better. Woden Town Square has always been an ugly wind tunnel. Not even the removal of the notorious fountain (which always had empty cans and other rubbish floating in it) brought about an improvement.

It’s a truly horrible place. As much as I think these little shits deserve to be in the stocks, the architects and designers who make these inhuman spaces deserve it much more.

maxblues said :

It certainly is a dead part of town. The Soul Bar went broke and closed its doors in the last couple of weeks and Oxygen coffee bar is changing name and relocating to Deakin. I hear 1800 staff (from where?) are about to start work in the MLC building, but it could be too little, too late. DOMA were supposed to be redeveloping the building behind the Commonwealth Bank building, but work came to a halt and has been boarded up for some time.
Is it time to return to police foot patrols in the area?

None of that would make it any more busy on a Sunday. And on a weekday it’s a very busy part of town. So what’s your point?

What that end of Woden needs is urban infill, and if the nimbys would stop protesting it and the developers could get their finances in order, it might liven up the place 7 days a week.

It certainly is a dead part of town. The Soul Bar went broke and closed its doors in the last couple of weeks and Oxygen coffee bar is changing name and relocating to Deakin. I hear 1800 staff (from where?) are about to start work in the MLC building, but it could be too little, too late. DOMA were supposed to be redeveloping the building behind the Commonwealth Bank building, but work came to a halt and has been boarded up for some time.
Is it time to return to police foot patrols in the area?