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The point of Point to Point?

By Rollersk8r - 1 February 2010 71

Jon Stanhope is rushing through ‘point to point’ speed cameras in order to “crackdown” on the “alarming” (88%) rise in traffic infringement notices over the past year.  One of the reasons cited on last night’s ABC news was “people are just slowing down where they know there’s a speed camera.”

The ABC reports that part of the alarming rise is due to the installation of 14 new cameras in this time.

Talk about mixed messages!  Jon’s fighting a massive rise in fines… with a new way of collecting more fines!?  And what was that about people just slowing down just for the cameras?  There’s an alarming rise, Jon!!

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The point of Point to Point?
Sgt.Bungers 10:40 am 02 Feb 10

I love the fact that the first several pages of the ACT’s Road Safety Plan 2009-2010, only talk about “speed” and how it’s a number one issue… yet drive around the ACT looking for speed limit signs, and they are few and far between, apparently not installed to any strict standards.

http://www.tams.act.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0010/158446/ACT_ROAD_SAFETY_ACTION_PLAN_2009-2010.pdf

Let’s assume for a moment that exceeding the speed limit really was the number one issue on our roads… instead of installing expensive speed cameras left right and centre, why not make a reasonable attempt to make sure every driver is aware of speed limits on ACT’s roads first?

Step one to convincing the population that exceeding the speed limit by a few km/h kills. Believe your own bullshit. Speed limit signs that are slap dash, after thoughts, don’t exsist, crooked, remain damaged for years, small, installed with economy in mind, are all an indication that the ACT Gov does not believe their own policies. Signs that are overt, large, obvious, well maintained, installed to some predictable standards, may indicate that the Gov does actually want people to obey speed limits.

My favourite… Barton highway speed camera near GDE interchange. That went up before any speed limit signs went up on the GDE offramps. How can a camera be justified on any stretch of road, PRIOR to the speed limit signs being put up? Pure incompetence.

Want to quash people exceeding the speed limit Jon? Stop building roads that encourage high speed, then posting them with speed limits well below the 85th percentile speed of the road.

Yamba drive – not a limited access road… traffic lights, passively controlled intersections, passing within close proximity to a school, a hospital… 80km/h which feels adequate for that stretch… no speed cameras.

Adelaide Ave/Yarra Glen – limited access road, bridges at every intersection, no where for drivers to cross in front of the paths of other drivers… still 80km/h, which feels painfully slow… but contains several mobile speed camera sites.

Surely exceeding 80km/h would be significantly more dangerous on Yamba drive, hence speed cameras would be significantly more warranted on that stretch of road? That is of course, if cameras were actually about safety.

Roads can be designed to limit vehicle speed. Particularly residential and commercial streets. Not through speed humps that everyone tends to resent, but through intelligent road design.

Ashford UK: undertook an ambitious shared space project. One year on, all positive results, including slower, safer speeds, pedestrian friendly & community friendly streets, no reported crashes, *DECREASED* travel time, and a much more pleasant street environment. With so many wins, there cannot be any valid reason for us to continue building residential streets the way we do.

Photos and a quote in the first link below: “The roads have acquired a new dignity and people comment on a new sense of community and courtesy. Cars must make their way gingerly through other road users, but since they are no longer held up at red lights their average speed has risen.”

http://www.howwedrive.com/2009/07/28/streets-ahead-in-ashford/

http://www.howwedrive.com/2008/12/01/quieting-the-ring-road-shared-space-hits-it-big-in-ashford/

http://capital-roads.blogspot.com

Thumper 10:23 am 02 Feb 10

Revenue raising, yes. Stanhope full of it? Yes. Idiot tax, equally so…

indigoid 10:20 am 02 Feb 10

Alarmist claptrap. Obey the speed limits and you’ll be fine.

I’m all for the cameras, though it would be good to have more visibility of what is done with the revenue collected from the idiot tax. Improving driver education would be a good use for it

swamiOFswank 10:13 am 02 Feb 10

Agreed about Flemington Rd – it’s a joke…and I pity the poor suckers who get caught by the Police up near ‘Flemington Corner’ – you’d be going to know what the speed limit is at all given that the signs change so often. With a divided dual carriageway with two wide lanes each way and ample left and right turn bays the whole thing would and should be at least 80 once past EPIC. It would be in Sydney or Melbourne.

On the other hand, I dunno why they just don’t put a road straight through to Northbourne/Federal Highway from Mitchell. You have to go halfway around Canberra to get into the place.

As for the Fed highway speed camera near the Caltex, tell me, who wouldn’t slow down to 80 approaching a large roundabout anyway? I often wonder if they catch anyone there at all.

Clown Killer 10:05 am 02 Feb 10

I guess that point to point cameras will modify my driving where they’re installed to the extent that I’ll pay more attention to the dial than the road conditions and traffic situation. Whether or not they’ll make those particular sections of road any safer is questionable.

H1NG0 9:57 am 02 Feb 10

The reason people speed in Canberra is because there is a severe lack of patrolling police and they know they can get away with it. Camera’s will only encourage people to speed in other areas. Everybody knows where they are located and anyone caught by them is either a tourist or incredibly stupid.

Gungahlin Al 9:40 am 02 Feb 10

The message is mixed certainly, but the intent clear.

One only has to look back over the numerous discussions on speed cameras here to find many posters crowing about speeding back up as soon as they are past the fixed camera site.

The wallopers have been getting smarter about this, putting up to three in a row combos of cameras, cars and bikes. But that’s heavy on resources, and point to point montioring is the obvious next move.

I’d be relaxed about it if Roads ACT also undertook a review of the existing speed limits, as there are many that to me are just dumb. 80k on the 4-lane Gungahlin Drive and Ginninderra Drive? 80k on the rural Horse Park Drive? And what about the mess that is Flemington Road: 60-80-60-80-60, with some 80 bits only 300m long? Just make (as I have requested previously of Tony Gill) the whole thing 70.

I’m sure RA-folk have many more examples we could compile for review?

fnaah 9:04 am 02 Feb 10

Jon Stanhope is rushing through ‘point to point’ speed cameras in order to profit from the wonderful rise in traffic infringement notices over the past year

There, fixed that for you

Jim Jones 8:59 am 02 Feb 10

Don’t speed and you won’t get a fine. It’s not rocket science. God knows how it is a “mixed message”.

You seem to be proposing a system whereby speeding tickets are reduced by ignoring people who speed.

Perhaps we could apply your logic to the criminal justice system and keep the murder rates in the ACT at historic lows by simply ignoring murders when they occur.

Sammy 8:43 am 02 Feb 10

What are these speed cameras you speak of? Are they those boxes mounted on poles? I guess I have very little experience with them, as ever since I grew up and started driving like an adult, I have no reason to worry about them.

I think these new types of speed cameras are a fantastic idea. As an added benefit, it encourages those that may want to still have a bit of fun, to learn some arithmetic, so as to determine how slow they need to go for the last km or so before the camera, so as to compensate for their speed over the preceding 3-4 kms.

sloppery 8:37 am 02 Feb 10

Typical. Clearly speed cameras do nothing more than cause people to tap the brakes as they go past, so we’d better add more cameras.

How actaully doing something useful for road safety. Hell, how about even using the speed camera revenue to support more marked police cars?

Punter 7:51 am 02 Feb 10

The introduction of these point to point cameras shouldn’t concern any motorist who obeys the speed limits. It is always amusing to hear a driver complain about speeding tickets they have received wnen it was their own actions which led to the tickets. A camera will sit there idle and only react to a speeding vehicle. These devices don’t force a driver to pay revenue until the driver has made a choice to speed. If anyone wants to stop paying such revenue, they need only to take resonsibility of their actions and lift their right foot a little.

taninaus 7:01 am 02 Feb 10

so he is going to install point to point to catch the people who are already ignoring the well posted and well known fixed speed camera locations – that will work!

trevar 6:38 am 02 Feb 10

I haven’t been following this, but I agree that there is nothing more foolish than a government getting so confused by its own bureaucracy that it forgets what it’s cracking down on! I suspect that Mr Stanhope actually hopes to reduce the number of instances of drivers speeding, rather than the number of times those drivers get caught. I wonder how ACT Government employees would go on the NAPLAN tests?

At any rate, I think point to point speed checking is a good idea, but rather than using speed cameras to do it, each number plate should be microchipped and the city dotted with a secret network of scan points. That way we could monitor both speed and the use of unregistered vehicles.

damien haas 1:00 am 02 Feb 10

I dont think there is evidence to support a rise in accidents on this section of the parkway. i believe thats the criteria for these devices.

if its not supported by public policy reasons, then its revenue raising.

speed cameras would be better located on suburban streets catching people who do 85 on a 50 street.

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