6 November 2010

There were 30 people partying at Josh Miller's home when they took that photo

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The Canberra Times is finally contributing something new to the Joel Monaghan scandal.

It is reported that the house in question was forward Josh Miller’s

Therefore it is presumably Josh Miller’s dog, and ironically he’s the one player who can’t be accused of complicity in the at best simulated sex scene.

The other two interesting factoids are that there were 30 people at the party, including a local League team.

It also transpires that Joel Monaghan is the Rugby League Players Association Canberra Representative. The RLPA still think he’s a good bloke.

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Yes Justin, we all live in glass houses…and the internet is fundamentally evil. I personally make the sign of a pentagram and circle myself three times whenever I use twitter.

As a few posters here have pointed out Joel (give the dog a bone) Monaghan hasn’t actually done anything particularly harmful, for which we must be grateful, however the incident does illustrate that drunken loutish behaviour is still very much the norm for our professional footballers and given the ongoing support of sponsors it is fair to assume that such a culture is considered ok by those with money.

Monaghan’s public humiliation has now become a rallying point for the league and its supporters who can claim with a certain justification that league is being victimised and persecuted. No one got hurt, and look at what the media/internet did to poor Joel…

Certainly with sponsors like the CFMEU, Joel and his mates have nothing to be worried about.

justin heywood said :

I wonder how many of the posters here have ever done something that, if someone had been around with a camera at the time, and they were a celebrity, would have ruined their careers?

The difference is that most people have the good sense not to do something monumentally stupid in front of 30 people with camera phones. Doubly so if they’re likely to be easily recognised.

georgesgenitals said :

The guy doesn’t have mental health issues…

I’ll bet he does right now…

Deref said :

Show them for what they are and always have been – overpaid, undereducated and undersocialised morons.

Actually, part of the problem is that that isn’t true. They have only been over paid for the last 15 or 20 years. So the whole culture is only a few generations in. It is reaching a point in it’s evolution where the weak need to be culled if the whole culture, industry, etc is to survive. But as long as people keep being able to get away with shit just cause they can catch a ball after being hit in the head 15 times, the NRL will not gets it.

Thoroughly Smashed6:56 pm 07 Nov 10

gladbag said :

I think the person who passed the photo around is more vile than Joel who is just an idiot. Sure what he did was wrong, but he was caught and we will laugh at his expense for a very long time, however, the guys who took the photograph, or the bystanders who stood by are not facing anything, whereas I think they are worse than Joel – they did not intervene and then they passed the photo around. Nice friends….

Hmm.

“The bystanders” are not facing any action because they didn’t do anything wrong. Any people who may have recorded the act… also didn’t do anything wrong. It’s not that hard.

justin heywood6:10 pm 07 Nov 10

I wonder how many of the posters here have ever done something that, if someone had been around with a camera at the time, and they were a celebrity, would have ruined their careers?

I have certainly done many stupid things over the years, under the influence of liquor or lust, that I’m glad aren’t splahed all over twitter. The fact that his act of stupidity involved a dog makes it more newsworthy but no necessarily more heinous.

Nobody was harmed except Monaghan himself. He is simply a victim of the ubiquiity of cameras today and the power of the internet.

The thing is that they aren’t really friends are they? They are workmates. Who are supposed to ‘bond’ as a team. And traditionally, ‘bonding’ methods have been a bit anti-social.

I think the person who passed the photo around is more vile than Joel who is just an idiot. Sure what he did was wrong, but he was caught and we will laugh at his expense for a very long time, however, the guys who took the photograph, or the bystanders who stood by are not facing anything, whereas I think they are worse than Joel – they did not intervene and then they passed the photo around. Nice friends….

Gives a whole new meaning to the term “boner”.

So Trevar,
What are your feelings on this?

BerraBoy68 said :

Rugby league players must be the thickest people in Australia.

Not that we were ever in any doubt.

For krisesakes, media – stop holding the bozos up as heroes and role models. Show them for what they are and always have been – overpaid, undereducated and undersocialised morons.

Sorry, the dog’s tonsils quote belongs to BerraBoy68, not vg – have to pay more attention when editing quotes.

vg said :

Very few end up poking a dogs tonsils with their knob.

Christ, I nearly choked on my coffee when I read this!

I’m starting to feel a bit sorry for Joel Monaghan, he’s never going to live this down. I’m sure everyone present at the time, including the person who took the photo, thought it was great joke – but I bet the ones behind the camera are now grateful for anonymity. Joel sure has some great mates, doesn’t he?

Waiting For Godot6:16 am 07 Nov 10

sb14 said :

Terrible. Something like this would never happen in the gentleman’s game of Rugby.

The recollection had reminded him of the time he was part of an Australian squad preparing for the 1999 World Cup final against France. “We had one of those video conferencing systems where players could talk to and see their wives and kids back in Australia. Any way, in the week before the final, Phil Kearns, who had been injured and had returned home, was using one to send us a good-luck message.

“He was talking to the guys and when he walked into shot it was obvious that he had no shirt on. I thought he just had no top on but his wife, who was holding the video camera, panned down to reveal that Phil was stark naked. Better than that, his dog – he had a big Alsatian – then walked over, nudged him in the nuts and started licking. I’ve never seen anything like it.

“We found out afterwards that Phil had rubbed jam or honey into his groin to get his dog to do that on cue. It was his way of settling down the squad who were really tense and worried at the final coming up.”

There’s nowhere to go after that.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/columnist…s-nice-guy.html

Thanks for this insight into the hypocrisy and double standards of Phil Kearns. In the early 1990s I was a freelance photographer with Picture Media and one of the newspapers wanted a photo of Kearns in the dressing room shirtless in response to requests from readers – Kearns was a popular player at the time and in those pre-Internet days photographers were allowed in the change rooms. Every time I tried to get a photo of Kearns he kept asking “are you a pervert?” and would screw up his face thus ruining all the photos I managed to take. When the boss saw the pics I was screamed at and told my services were no longer required. A great set of values when someone trying to take a photo of you is a pervert yet a few years later you allow a dog to lick your private parts on camera with all your team mates watching.

Oh a Canberrian doing such things??? NEVER!

georgesgenitals said :

MJay said :

“Our thoughts are how he’s dealing with this personally as a mental health issue,” Hall said.

“Our thoughts are with his family and close friends.”

What a total cop out. The guy doesn’t have mental health issues, he’s just a filthy scumbag.

Let’s just get a bit of perspective, GG. There’s a lot of filthy scumbags out there.

I’d rather have a bloke who has a giggle when a dog licks his balls than some prick smacking someone else unconscious on and off the field, or drink driving, or groping women, or smashing glass, or hanging out the car window and abusing you, or bumping your drink out of your hand and doesn’t apologise.

Anyone would think this guy was a kiddy fiddler. I’m pretty certain the dog is unaffected by the affair.

On the other hand, Darwinism is ruthless and the terminally stupid shall be smited.

……and the raiders fans said…..”JOEL MAN YA BRAIN DEAD…….YA WONT BE PLAYIN FOOTBALL ANYMORE”…………..

georgesgenitals9:39 pm 06 Nov 10

MJay said :

georgesgenitals said :

MJay said :

“Our thoughts are how he’s dealing with this personally as a mental health issue,” Hall said.

“Our thoughts are with his family and close friends.”

What a total cop out. The guy doesn’t have mental health issues, he’s just a filthy scumbag.

Well he didn’t have any issues before, but he’ll certainly be having trouble coping mentally which is what I think they are getting at. They like many others are probably concerned about his mental state now and what he might do to himself.

Actually, that’s a good point. Cheers.

Common Sense said :

What has the CFMEU got to say about this, aren’t they the major sponsor? I would have thought a militant left wing political organisation like the CFMEU would have something to say…

“This government is allowing hard working footballers to be exploited in the name of entertainment – and we cannot sit back and allow this to continue. We will protest outside Parliament House next Tuesday, and in the process smash windows, kick doors in and damage fittings around the building until we get our way.”

Growling Ferret7:44 pm 06 Nov 10

Pandy

You’ve probably never been to Raiders game before either…

vg said :

I’m sorry, but you must live in a sheltered world if you think acts of depravity of this nature are confined to publicly known sports people. I know of office shindigs that have ended in rape allegations.

And yes, I am putting aside the old ‘role model’ argument. Yes, whether he likes it or not, by virtue of his position Joel is a role model. But using that logic so are Mel Gibson, Pee Wee Herman, the guy that hosted the antiques show on the ABC. Some of the acts they committed may be more morally reprehensible but where was the breadth of opinion then.

He has done something very stupid, nigh on criminal, and morally skewed. Thankfully nobody else on this site ever has

You said it yourself VG, your putting aside a bit there. And for what it’s worth, my past has been anything but sheltered.

As you’re a cop I’m sure you know of a whole host of events that have ended up with rape allegations, murder, assault etc. including anniversary dinners, Melbourne cup parties, kids birthdays, etc but typically, most people just go home. Sure, some go home with the wrong person or in the company of you and your colleagues. Very few end up poking a dogs tonsils with their knob. But if these people hold any profile in society you can bet your life they’ll be front page news the next day.

Ordinary people get done every day doing stupid/disgusting things – if they weren’t you wouldn’t have a job. The only reason the ordinary citizen is not put in the media spotlight when they screw up (unless they do something monumentally stupid, like Mully) is because they aren’t house-hold names and paid shed loads of money. We can blame the ‘cult of celebrity’ for giving sports people, movie stars, singers etc a status bigger in society than it really needs to be.

The point in all this is the recurring theme that league players in particular just don’t seem to get the fact that a) as a group they are under possibly more media scrutiny than anyone else in Australia and b) it’s better to be remembered as a guy that played the game very well and was a nice bloke too rather than yet another immature player who was caught out doing something stupid and/or illegal, again. For example, look at Brett Mullins. Here’s a guy that could have been remembered as a great fullback but instead I know a lot of people that, when ever his name is mentioned, raise the issue of his leaving the scene of an accident after he’d crashed his car late at night.

Personally, I look forward to a time when we don’t hear about these types of incidents at all.

georgesgenitals said :

MJay said :

“Our thoughts are how he’s dealing with this personally as a mental health issue,” Hall said.

“Our thoughts are with his family and close friends.”

What a total cop out. The guy doesn’t have mental health issues, he’s just a filthy scumbag.

Well he didn’t have any issues before, but he’ll certainly be having trouble coping mentally which is what I think they are getting at. They like many others are probably concerned about his mental state now and what he might do to himself.

georgesgenitals6:40 pm 06 Nov 10

MJay said :

“Our thoughts are how he’s dealing with this personally as a mental health issue,” Hall said.

“Our thoughts are with his family and close friends.”

What a total cop out. The guy doesn’t have mental health issues, he’s just a filthy scumbag.

Thats it. Never going to a Raiders game ever again.

To back-up the PLAYERS who were involved in this depraved act, just tells me what kind of sponsors, management, players and fans this game attracts.

Common Sense said :

What has the CFMEU got to say about this, aren’t they the major sponsor? I would have thought a militant left wing political organisation like the CFMEU would have something to say…

The daily telegraph has this

“Raiders sponsors have publicly thrown their support behind the club, with the CFMEU, Canberra Milk, the Dickson Tradies Club, the ACT Department of Sport and Recreation and Local Liquor all indicating they will continue current deals.”

“CFMEU ACT branch secretary Dean Hall said the union was due to begin negotiations on extending its five-year sponsorship with the club next year. Hall denied any demand had been made for Monaghan’s sacking and admitted concerns about his wellbeing.

“Our thoughts are how he’s dealing with this personally as a mental health issue,” Hall said.

“Our thoughts are with his family and close friends.”

Surely the fact that there is a photo out there showing the bloke doing something to a dog (I haven’t seen the photo) should be punishment enough for him. He’s going to cop some serious sledging in every tackle and the opposition fans will make some imaginative banners for him to see. When the raiders play the bulldogs there’ll be ammunition for even more scorn.

“That’s once a year for most folk JB (League players payers seem to have loads of social events from Mad Monday, Xmas parties, end of season tours etc.) and even then the PC police ensure at least a minimum standard of decorum. True, I’ve seen public servants counselled as a result of their behavior at these events (normally getting to drunk and hooking up with people they shouldn’t) but even then it’s never as bad as what we get from NRL players. “

I’m sorry, but you must live in a sheltered world if you think acts of depravity of this nature are confined to publicly known sports people. I know of office shindigs that have ended in rape allegations. Is that ‘never as bad as what we get from NRL players’? There are acts of nigh on equally high immorality perpetuated in all sports, some are better at covering them up than others, as are indeed many non-sporting organisations.

I am as disgusted as anyone else over this, but would the act be any more or less disgusting if the person in the photo was not publicly well known, or would it have simply been a source of office humour rather than faux moral outrage.

And yes, I am putting aside the old ‘role model’ argument. Yes, whether he likes it or not, by virtue of his position Joel is a role model. But using that logic so are Mel Gibson, Pee Wee Herman, the guy that hosted the antiques show on the ABC. Some of the acts they commited may be more morally reprehensible but where was the breadth of opinion then.

He has done something very stupid, nigh on criminal, and morally skewed. Thankfully nobody else on this site ever has

Remarkably sane listener comments on ABC 666 sports show this morning: consensus among at least 15 callers seemed to be, “sack players who drink-drive, as they are endangering human lives, ahead of sacking over this” and “if you’re going to sack Monaghan, sack the photographer too”.

Remarkable as it may seem, I still don’t care.

Fine the dog owners who don’t train their canine pals. The number of times I’ve been to visit people whose dogs come bounding out and stick their wet schnozzles where they really shouldn’t….downright embarrassing.

And it usually means a visit to the dry cleaners.

Terrible. Something like this would never happen in the gentleman’s game of Rugby.

The recollection had reminded him of the time he was part of an Australian squad preparing for the 1999 World Cup final against France. “We had one of those video conferencing systems where players could talk to and see their wives and kids back in Australia. Any way, in the week before the final, Phil Kearns, who had been injured and had returned home, was using one to send us a good-luck message.

“He was talking to the guys and when he walked into shot it was obvious that he had no shirt on. I thought he just had no top on but his wife, who was holding the video camera, panned down to reveal that Phil was stark naked. Better than that, his dog – he had a big Alsatian – then walked over, nudged him in the nuts and started licking. I’ve never seen anything like it.

“We found out afterwards that Phil had rubbed jam or honey into his groin to get his dog to do that on cue. It was his way of settling down the squad who were really tense and worried at the final coming up.”

There’s nowhere to go after that.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/columnist…s-nice-guy.html

How does getting rid of only the one player who got caught on camera with his cock in a canine makes the Club any less toxic to sponsors.

1. Players bingeing with 30 other signed Club players. Mad Monday is not an excuse.
2. Brainstorming for ideas on how to ensure Josh Miller could never look at his dog with anything other than shame.
3. Encouraged or at least did not discourage Joel Monaghan from sticking his cock in a dog.
4. Took pictures of Monaghan with his cock in a dog, which would be considered evidence of a criminal act in any other jurisdiction.
5. Shared pictures of Monaghan with his cock in a dog.
6. Failed to inform the manager/CEO of their employees committing potentially criminal acts, or
7. If managers/CEO were made aware, they did nothing.

There is no way these rugby league players are so imbecilic as to not know what is going on or what is socially acceptable, we let them drive cars when sober, and they’re not so special that they are totally delusional and therefore without blame when they get some alcohol/ecstasy into them.
Making excuses for them cheapens everyone, both the players, the managers, and the fans.

Its not rocket surgery, guys.
Man up and have some personal responsibility.

Invoke the Behaviour/Code of Conduct on them all, and find some managers who are prepared to make hard decisions on player conduct, but won’t going to make excuses for imbeciles.
I know I can buy milk elsewhere, mothers can encourage kids to play sports that actually encourage participants to have some personal substance.

That’s once a year for most folk JB (League players payers seem to have loads of social events from Mad Monday, Xmas parties, end of season tours etc.) and even then the PC police ensure at least a minimum standard of decorum. True, I’ve seen public servants counselled as a result of their behavior at these events (normally getting to drunk and hooking up with people they shouldn’t) but even then it’s never as bad as what we get from NRL players.

I recall playing golf at Gold Creek a few years back and we were told by the Pro Shop we had to be off the course at a certain time as the Raiders were having their corporate golf day. We were a bit miffed as our booking preceded that of the Raiders but they held sway due to their number of players. The conversation with the guy in the pro-shop was quite illuminating as he was quite clear about how he felt the Raiders bad-behavior on these golf days and the damage that resulted to the course as well as the golf carts (the previous year they ended up in the water etc). When asked why they let the Raiders keep playing there he simply said it’s because they have a lot of money. This seem to excuse anything these guys do.

Common Sense1:29 pm 06 Nov 10

What has the CFMEU got to say about this, aren’t they the major sponsor? I would have thought a militant left wing political organisation like the CFMEU would have something to say…

TVStar said :

Bye Bye Raiders!

+1

Rugby league players must be the thickest people in Australia.

Not only are these idiots incapable of understanding the basics of ‘right’ and ‘wrong’ as adults, they also seem to have totally ignored the many classes the the NRL and various clubs put them on to teach them such complicated theory as: no-means no, non-consensual sex is bad, drugs are bad, too much alcohol is bad, urinating on peoples legs is bad,drink driving is bad, crapping in hotel corridors is bad, etc.

Furner’s comment last week was the last straw for me. When commenting about how serious this was he stated that Raiders players had recently attended an class facilitated by the AFP on cyber-security. Basically, his seems to be an admission that these guys are as thick as human beings can be and don’t know how to behave so instead of teaching them what’s right and wrong, management just teach them how not to get caught. Way to go Raiders and NRL!

No more of my money will go to either the Raiders or the NRL.

Note for the management of Canberra Milk: rather than just using the threat of using your sponsorship dollars to crucify Monaghan, why not demand an end to Raiders participating in ‘Mad Monday’? This is just an excuse for players to act like a pack of Wank3rs. What other employer lets their staff carry on this way???

Office chrimbo parties?

Bye Bye Raiders!

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