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Unvaccinated kids may be banned from schools during outbreaks

By Barcham 21 May 2013 91

ABC News are reporting that the ACT may follow NSW’s lead in considering to allow childcare centres and preschools to excuse children who have not been immunised during outbreaks.

Katy Gallagher is against the idea.

Ms Gallagher says ACT’s chief health officer is looking at better ways to keep non-immunised children at home when cases of whooping cough or measles emerge.

“Part of the next issue could be if there is an outbreak of something, all the unimmunised children get excluded for that period of time,” she said.

“That’s what happened when we had an outbreak of measles at a particular school.

“The children who weren’t immunised were required to stay home until the outbreak had finished.”

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Gungahlin Al 12:28 pm 14 Jun 13

Thumper said :

poetix said :

Please, all those who have written against vaccination, read this article about a young New Zealand boy whose parents’ decision not to vaccinate almost killed him:

http://www.abc.net.au/local/stories/2013/06/06/3776327.htm

Sorry to revive an old thread, but this seemed so relevant.

It’s as simple as this.

Get your heads out of your asses and vaccinate your kids. Are you really that f***ing dumb? Seriously? Have you not read any history ever?

You know, the history bit where hundreds of thousands die from what are now preventable diseases.

This^^
And re: the original item, why ban them just when there’s an outbreak? Horsegate…
Ban them period, then there’ll be far less likelihood of having an outbreak in the first place.

Jivrashia said :

CHILDREN NOT VACCINATED ARE THE ONES WHO ARE VULNERABLE, and not your children if you have vaccinated them.

I think this is the reason why the authorities want to keep un-vaccinated children away.
For their own protection, as they are vulnerable to the sever symptom of flu.

Your immunised children should be safe from infected un-vaccinated children.

(disclaimer: I am not a medical practitioner)

This is NOT correct. Vaccinated people are also at risk. “Herd immunity” is what is important and minimises the spread of a disease. If 10% of children in a school are not immunised against things like Whooping Cough then ALL children, immunised or not, are at risk.

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd 11:56 am 14 Jun 13

Thumper said :

poetix said :

Please, all those who have written against vaccination, read this article about a young New Zealand boy whose parents’ decision not to vaccinate almost killed him:

http://www.abc.net.au/local/stories/2013/06/06/3776327.htm

Sorry to revive an old thread, but this seemed so relevant.

It’s as simple as this.

Get your heads out of your asses and vaccinate your kids. Are you really that f***ing dumb? Seriously? Have you not read any history ever?

You know, the history bit where hundreds of thousands die from what are now preventable diseases.

Thing is, thumper, anti vaccers really ARE that effing dumb. They prove it every time they open their mouths and speak against science.

greyswandir 11:37 am 14 Jun 13

Sixteen years ago my father had a liver transplant. He, and a team of qualified doctors, have worked hard since then to make sure he stays healthy. Thanks to modern medicine and science my father will live to see his grand kids, which would have been impossible for someone with his health problems 100 years ago.

The thought of some idiot in our community convinced by conspiracy theories not to vaccinate their kid endangering the life of my dad with their thoughtlessness makes me consider violence. And I’m typically a pretty non-confrontational person.

It’s not just about you and your kids.

Thumper 9:58 am 14 Jun 13

poetix said :

Please, all those who have written against vaccination, read this article about a young New Zealand boy whose parents’ decision not to vaccinate almost killed him:

http://www.abc.net.au/local/stories/2013/06/06/3776327.htm

Sorry to revive an old thread, but this seemed so relevant.

It’s as simple as this.

Get your heads out of your asses and vaccinate your kids. Are you really that f***ing dumb? Seriously? Have you not read any history ever?

You know, the history bit where hundreds of thousands die from what are now preventable diseases.

poetix 10:03 pm 13 Jun 13

Please, all those who have written against vaccination, read this article about a young New Zealand boy whose parents’ decision not to vaccinate almost killed him:

http://www.abc.net.au/local/stories/2013/06/06/3776327.htm

Sorry to revive an old thread, but this seemed so relevant.

Thumper 9:48 am 27 May 13

Woody Mann-Caruso said :

I doubt that my mother requesting that I was not vaccinated endangered the rest of the population (the herd)

Let’s say we all did what your sainted mother did. I won’t vaccinate my kid. It won’t affect herd immunity.

Except now nobody is immunised, and everybody has f*cking polio. Clap, clap, clap, genius.

This.

Woody Mann-Caruso 8:56 am 27 May 13

I doubt that my mother requesting that I was not vaccinated endangered the rest of the population (the herd)

Let’s say we all did what your sainted mother did. I won’t vaccinate my kid. It won’t affect herd immunity.

Except now nobody is immunised, and everybody has f*cking polio. Clap, clap, clap, genius.

Ghettosmurf87 8:51 am 27 May 13

DrKoresh said :

miz said :

My one worry about the present immunisation regime is that there are now so many extra shots that I wonder how infants’ immune systems cope. It would obviously be better if they could be spaced out more, but then there is the risk (thanks to non-immunised children) of actually catching whooping cough etc.
However, if the mother is breastfeeding and taking Vit D for immune levels, that should help the baby’s immune systems to manage.

Please don’t advise people to take Vitamin D instead of vaccinating their children. I applaud your decision to vaccinate yours but your comments regarding children’s immune systems and spacing out the vaccines aren’t factually accurate either,.

DrK, I’m pretty sure Miz WASN’T advocating Vitamin D & breastfeeding INSTEAD of vaccination, but rather asking the question of whether so many shots in a short time put pressure on the immune system. She then goes on to note that although this might or might not be the case, there is certainly more risk from not immunising and advises that ppl with similar worries to hers should consider breastfeeding & vitamin D as a way of making sure immune systems in babies are definitely up to scratch to cope with all those shots. I’d suggest that the latter is purely for parental peace of mind, rather than actually suggesting that without breastfeeding & vitamin D a baby might be at risk.

That was my take on it anyway.

c_c™ 10:14 pm 26 May 13

miz said :

The one exception being hpv, which is not in the same class as the others (being behaviourally based as opposed to an epidemic that can whip around), so I decided that my girls could make their own decision about that one.

Behavioural? Unless you’ve got them lined up for a life of total abstinence, you should probably rethink that. There are dozens of strains of HPV, it’s long lived but most of the time it’s asymptomatic, and there are no physical protection measures to prevent transfer. It’s very wide spread in the community and there are no specific tests for it.

Now Gardasil only targets some strains of it, but those are the strains that can cause the worst, and potentially fatal outcomes.

DrKoresh 10:00 pm 26 May 13

miz said :

One of my babies got both measles and chickenpox in the first six months, thanks to the un-immunised children next door (we were living in Sydney at that time). I can tell you I was not impressed, measles in particular was hell – no walks in the sun, watching for encephalitis, etc. I also have an uncle (b 1947) who got polio when he was 3 years old in one of the last epidemics. He survived but has suffered from long term issues since then. Needless to say, all my children are fully immunised.
The one exception being hpv, which is not in the same class as the others (being behaviourally based as opposed to an epidemic that can whip around), so I decided that my girls could make their own decision about that one.
My one worry about the present immunisation regime is that there are now so many extra shots that I wonder how infants’ immune systems cope. It would obviously be better if they could be spaced out more, but then there is the risk (thanks to non-immunised children) of actually catching whooping cough etc.
However, if the mother is breastfeeding and taking Vit D for immune levels, that should help the baby’s immune systems to manage.

Please don’t advise people to take Vitamin D instead of vaccinating their children. I applaud your decision to vaccinate yours but your comments regarding children’s immune systems and spacing out the vaccines aren’t factually accurate either, I’ve got an excerpt from an article which I’ll link to further down:
“Myth 2: Children get too many shots, too early – Normal, everyday bacteria in the environment, as well as those already present in the body, challenge the immune systems of young children on a daily basis. “Vaccines are a trivial challenge to what children typically encounter and manage every day”, said Paul Offit, chief of the Division of Infectious Diseases and the director of the Vaccine Education Center at the Children’s Hospital of Philadelphia. Immunologists at the University of California, San Diego looked into the number of immunological challenges a person can respond to at one time. After considering the variety of compounds in vaccines, including bacterial proteins, bacterial polysaccharides and viral proteins, Offit explained, they calculated that young children could safely respond to as many as 100,000 vaccines at once. An exaggeration perhaps, but point taken.”

IF you’d like to educate yourself further please take a look at “http://skeptoid.com/blog/2011/06/30/five-anti-vaccination-myths-exposed-2/”. There are many more vaccine related articles on that website too, if you’re interested, it’s a site that takes pains to report science in a manner which is not only accurate but also easy to understand.

Finally, I’d recommend you get your girls the HPV vaccine as well, because while its contraction generally is behaviour related, your daughters may mature faster than you think (or more than they’ll let on to you) and more critically, should they (god forbid) be sexually assaulted then at the very least you’ll have one less thing to worry about in the form of a cancer-causing STI.

Rabbit 8:25 pm 26 May 13

The herd (not heard) mentality is alive and well and all I can say apart from relate my personal experiences is remember that doctors, medical researchers are people and naturally advocate the theories that make them feel comfortable. I can remember polio and as very small boy being stood to once side as the rest of the school was vaccinated. I doubt that my mother requesting that I was not vaccinated endangered the rest of the population (the herd). My mother did save me from being vaccinated with contaminated vaccine. Of course this contamination was completely harmless. I was later vaccinated along with my siblings for TB at the age of 7 and unlike my siblings vacinated at the same time by the same doctors I have vaccination scars on both my shoulders yet we were given exactly the same vaccination (TB) in the same office at the same time. Do I trust everything that doctors and medical researchers say even with the sacred scientific method not likely. Of course if you want to have your children vacinnated please do. While you consider all the scientific evidence consider why oral polio vaccines banned in the USA are good enough for India and how having been born before 1966 I do not need a measles vaccine to help the herd prevent measles epidemics (see ACT Health site). What if we had never vaccinated anyone against measles? Above all else remember we can always legislate and force everyone to be vaccinated other countries have for the greater good instead of just banning children.

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