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Unvaccinated kids may be banned from schools during outbreaks

By Barcham - 21 May 2013 91

ABC News are reporting that the ACT may follow NSW’s lead in considering to allow childcare centres and preschools to excuse children who have not been immunised during outbreaks.

Katy Gallagher is against the idea.

Ms Gallagher says ACT’s chief health officer is looking at better ways to keep non-immunised children at home when cases of whooping cough or measles emerge.

“Part of the next issue could be if there is an outbreak of something, all the unimmunised children get excluded for that period of time,” she said.

“That’s what happened when we had an outbreak of measles at a particular school.

“The children who weren’t immunised were required to stay home until the outbreak had finished.”

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Unvaccinated kids may be banned from schools during outbreaks
poetix 7:12 pm 21 May 13

magiccar9 said :

This defies logic. How can there be an outbreak if the kiddies are vaccinated? The vaccine is supposed to stop the human body getting these illnesses. So if we follow the logical course the ones without the vaccination would be the only ones getting sick right?

Also, DrKoresh it isn’t just the ‘stupid hippies’ not getting the children vaccinated. If people stopped listening to the pharmaceutical companies for two seconds, you might actually stop to consider that a lot of the allergies and problems kids have these days could be from the millions of vaccinations the get jabbed with right from birth. Before everyone jumps on me… did we have these problems a couple of decades ago before we started mass vaccinating people?

Mass vaccinations have been around a lot longer than two decades.

Many people in other countries still face diseases which are far less prevalent in Australia and other countries with proper immunisation programmes. They know what these diseases are really like, as do some older people in our community. There are still people who can not walk due to polio contracted during childhood, living in Australia today.

Also, remember that a child or adult can introduce a disease to a baby. There have been deaths of babies too young to be fully immunised, purely caused by the selfishness of non-immunisers. What a stupid and reckless act, and what a horrible death for the baby. Parents of these infants could tell you a lot about the true nature of whooping cough, after watching their child unable to breathe. It’s not a minor sniffle or a slight temperature we are talking about. Keeping a disease active results in this sort of exposure and in deaths.

Probably also happens to some older people whose immunisations may have worn off, at least to some extent, though I don’t know about that for sure.

threepaws 7:05 pm 21 May 13

dph said :

DrKoresh said :

Stupid hippies and their fear of vaccines. I think we should stop non-immunised kids from going to school full stop, but only if we can’t ban parents from opting out of immunising their children for anything other than genuine medical conditions, like allergies to vaccine components.

Replace “Hippies” with “Bogans” & your post is spot on.

Don’t be so sure it’s bogans…

http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/lower-vaccine-rates-put-wealthy-areas-at-risk-of-disease-20130410-2hlt5.html

magiccar9 7:01 pm 21 May 13

I could argue until I was blue in the face with the lot of you, and spend my night trawling through the internet looking at research however I’m never going to change any opinions, nor am I prepared to waste my time trying. You accuse me of having blinkers on and being a ‘simpleton’ however you’re the ones who fall into line and believe everything that is spoon fed to you – failing to think or look outside the square.

I stand firm behind what I said, but I also accept that certain vaccinations (eg, polio, smallpox) are critical. Others (eg, flu vaccination) aren’t, and some are downright dangerous (eg, HPV vaccine for young women).

JessP 6:29 pm 21 May 13

magiccar9 said :

This defies logic. How can there be an outbreak if the kiddies are vaccinated? The vaccine is supposed to stop the human body getting these illnesses. So if we follow the logical course the ones without the vaccination would be the only ones getting sick right?

Also, DrKoresh it isn’t just the ‘stupid hippies’ not getting the children vaccinated. If people stopped listening to the pharmaceutical companies for two seconds, you might actually stop to consider that a lot of the allergies and problems kids have these days could be from the millions of vaccinations the get jabbed with right from birth. Before everyone jumps on me… did we have these problems a couple of decades ago before we started mass vaccinating people?

I respect your choice in not vaccinating your children. Respect mine in not allowing your child to attend childcare/preschool/school with my children.

markbuzz 6:19 pm 21 May 13

The British ‘research’ that supported links between vaccination and autism was widely discredited, the paper that was written was retracted and the doctor that wrote it lost his right to practice.

http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health-fitness/measles-surges-in-united-kingdom-years-after-vaccine-scare/story-fneuz9ev-1226647242796

dph 6:00 pm 21 May 13

DrKoresh said :

Stupid hippies and their fear of vaccines. I think we should stop non-immunised kids from going to school full stop, but only if we can’t ban parents from opting out of immunising their children for anything other than genuine medical conditions, like allergies to vaccine components.

Replace “Hippies” with “Bogans” & your post is spot on.

DrKoresh 5:42 pm 21 May 13

Another part of the problem is that young parents grew up with the benefit of not having to live under the shadow of all of the awful diseases that we’ve been vaccinating people against for the last 50 years and don’t realise just how serious many of these childhood illnesses can be.

DrKoresh 5:39 pm 21 May 13

54-11 said :

Agreed, Doc. Not sure about them being hippies, just credulous simpletons who can’t work things out for themselves. Too many people like that, across the religious/political/social spectrums.

In my experience it tends to be largely New Agers and the like who endorse the viewpoint that vaccines are harmful and while they may not be classical ‘hippies’ they’re basically the 21st century equivalent. Of course, there are a large group of regular people, like magiccar here, who are guillible enough to believe the scare stories and arrogant enough to think that it would have escaped the notice of most of the scientific/medical community.

I think it’s failing to understand the importance of herd immunity in actually preventing outbreaks (and potentially eradicting certain illnesses), and I think that if the government is going to be legislating people’s health and lifestyles then it makes no sense whatsoever to allow parents not to vaccinate for ‘conscientious’ reasons.

Canberroid 5:17 pm 21 May 13

magiccar9 said :

DrKoresh it isn’t just the ‘stupid hippies’ not getting the children vaccinated. If people stopped listening to the pharmaceutical companies for two seconds, you might actually stop to consider that a lot of the allergies and problems kids have these days could be from the millions of vaccinations the get jabbed with right from birth. Before everyone jumps on me… did we have these problems a couple of decades ago before we started mass vaccinating people?

Computer viruses are far more common now than they were 20 years ago and people have much more contact with infected computers. I think kids must therefore be catching allergies from computer viruses. On the other hand there’s a strong argument that it’s actually caused by the fall of the Berlin wall – just look at the timing.

Actually, I’m going to go with the advice of the experts on this one and believe that the risks of vaccinations are trivial compared to the alternative unless there’s any credible evidence to the contrary.

c_c™ 5:03 pm 21 May 13

magiccar9 said :

This defies logic. How can there be an outbreak if the kiddies are vaccinated? The vaccine is supposed to stop the human body getting these illnesses. So if we follow the logical course the ones without the vaccination would be the only ones getting sick right?

Bloody simpletons who don’t understand how vaccines work and then try and second guess them.

It was down right scary to hear two younger sounding mothers on ABC 666 yesterday morning talking about how:
A) Children’s immune systems are strong enough to fight off disease anyway
B) You should got with natural remedies like “garlic and ginger”

I’d swear they were trolling if they didn’t sound so serious.

Meanwhile the older sounding people interviewed (who notably didn’t use ‘like’ between every second word were firmly behind vaccines and had personal experience with the results of not being vaccinated.

As for your question, vaccines pre-expose the immune system to a virus, prompting it to create anti-bodies in advance. The immunity it creates is not total. In the case of the newer version of the DTaP vaccine, its effectiveness is less than the old one, but even where it isn’t effective in prevention, it still serves to reduce the severity of illness.

The immunity many vaccines create also declines over time naturally, from within a year for the flu shot, to within 10yrs for DTaP, meaning the protective effect declines over that period.

These factors mean that ‘heard immunity’ is vital to the effectiveness of a vaccine. The prevalence of disease must be reduced as much as possible in the general population in order to maximise the effect of the vaccine in an individual.

And before any of the hippies start going off about ‘toxins’ being put into their body via vaccines (another excuse one of those young and dumb mothers gave on 666 yesterday), consider:

1. Mercury is no longer in most vaccines, but even when it was, the amount was far less than what you’d get in a serve of tuna.

2. There more formaldehyde in a pear.

3. Benzalkonium chloride, an ingredient in many vaccines as an anti bacterial agent, is also used in household products like soap and surface cleaner, where you will take in far more of it than in a tiny vial of vaccine.

MsCheeky 4:55 pm 21 May 13

magiccar9 said :

This defies logic. How can there be an outbreak if the kiddies are vaccinated? The vaccine is supposed to stop the human body getting these illnesses. So if we follow the logical course the ones without the vaccination would be the only ones getting sick right?

Also, DrKoresh it isn’t just the ‘stupid hippies’ not getting the children vaccinated. If people stopped listening to the pharmaceutical companies for two seconds, you might actually stop to consider that a lot of the allergies and problems kids have these days could be from the millions of vaccinations the get jabbed with right from birth. Before everyone jumps on me… did we have these problems a couple of decades ago before we started mass vaccinating people?

Vaccinations prevent 90 to 95% from getting ill. The theory behind vaccinations is herd immunity, so that if there are fewer and fewer cases of any given disease, the disease becomes less prevalent. If you don’t vaccinate your kids, you are contributing to the ongoing retention of a disease in the community.

As for your comment about us ‘listening to pharmaceutical companies’, we’re not. We’re listening to highly trained medical personnel who are backed up by solid science and comprehensive research and testing. Your stupidly vague comment about all ‘the problems’ kids have these days is interesting. Could you please point me at some scientific research that demonstrates that vaccines cause ‘problems’, and what those ‘problems’ might be. And I’m talking creditable peer-reviewed research in established and respected medical journals – not some shyster’s website.

Honestly, you need to take off your blinkers and educate yourself. How do you think smallpox has been pretty much eradicated worldwide? Why does Australia no longer have polio epidemics?

magiccar9 4:26 pm 21 May 13

This defies logic. How can there be an outbreak if the kiddies are vaccinated? The vaccine is supposed to stop the human body getting these illnesses. So if we follow the logical course the ones without the vaccination would be the only ones getting sick right?

Also, DrKoresh it isn’t just the ‘stupid hippies’ not getting the children vaccinated. If people stopped listening to the pharmaceutical companies for two seconds, you might actually stop to consider that a lot of the allergies and problems kids have these days could be from the millions of vaccinations the get jabbed with right from birth. Before everyone jumps on me… did we have these problems a couple of decades ago before we started mass vaccinating people?

sepi 4:26 pm 21 May 13

the ACT already bans unvaccinated kids from attending school in disease outbreaks.

54-11 4:24 pm 21 May 13

Agreed, Doc. Not sure about them being hippies, just credulous simpletons who can’t work things out for themselves. Too many people like that, across the religious/political/social spectrums.

DrKoresh 4:04 pm 21 May 13

Stupid hippies and their fear of vaccines. I think we should stop non-immunised kids from going to school full stop, but only if we can’t ban parents from opting out of immunising their children for anything other than genuine medical conditions, like allergies to vaccine components.

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