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Want to be a snitch for a movie ticket?

By johnboy 5 June 2012 34

Justice and Community Safety have published their latest effort to recruit the next generation of police informants.

The Office of Regulatory Services monitors retail compliance with the cigarette ‘sale to minors’ provision of
the Tobacco Act 1927. The Act prohibits the sale of smoking products to anyone under the age of 18.
The Office is introducing a program of compliance testing throughout the ACT. The testing is undertaken
with the assistance of persons between the ages of 15-16 years acting as purchasing assistants.
Applicants must be:
• a non-smoker
• 15 or 16 years of age
• have parental consent and
• be committed to the prevention of the sale of smoking products to minors.
NOTE: Purchasing assistants will receive gift vouchers or movie tickets for their involvement.

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Lookout Smithers 10:16 pm 09 Jun 12

buzz819 said :

Lookout Smithers said :

What a short sighted and stupid practice. Im sure that it would be far more beneficial if they were able to do it without needing to be bribed. The outcome long term will just mean that some kids will have been taught from the outset that narking on others comes with a treat. The time will come for them to speak up but there won’t be anything in it for them so they won’t bother. Stupid idea

Ummm… So prosecuting people for breaking the law is short sighted?

No prosecuting people is a function of the legal system. That was not what I wrote. What I commented on was the practice of enticing young people into an understanding of personal reward for doing someone else’s dirty work. For one, using young people who might not fully grasp the larger implications here, is enough to condem this stupid idea. Secondly, it will teach younger people that telling the truth or speaking out with the truth is personally rewarding with a prize, rather that the reward of doing “the right thing”. It is short sighted. Not too mention cowardice. It is essentially getting kids to do the dirty work adults in council aren’t smart enough to combat. For shame.

It says nothing about getting paid if you catch them out, just says that your payment will be the vouchers for trying to purchase the cigarettes.

beeshive 10:36 am 07 Jun 12

dundle said :

Why don’t they get paid properly? There’s something creepy about this and the lack of pay makes it worse. Maybe they only work in 5 minute shifts so they can’t be paid properly?

+1 Payment in movie tickets is weird.

Looks like we need a 21 Jump Street unit in Canberra.

c_c 6:44 pm 06 Jun 12

colourful sydney racing identity said :

c_c said :

Charlie57 said :

c_c said :

Good idea but I wonder about entrapment.

My understanding of entrapment is that the police have done something to trick the offender into doing the illegal thing that they wouldn’t have normally done. If an underage person ask to buy a pack of cigarettes and the shopkeep hands them over, I don’t see that anyone has been tricked into not asking for ID.

The only thing that surprises me about this is that it hasn’t been happening for years. Nothing wrong with it.

colourful sydney racing identity said :

c_c said :

Good idea but I wonder about entrapment.

We are not America yet, there is no such principle under Australian law.

Entrapment isn’t tricking someone, it’s simply inducing someone to do something they may not have otherwise done.

While there is no singular principle in Australia of entrapment like in the US and British and Australian common law have been unclear on the subject, courts interstate have been asked to consider whether they can accept evident in sting operations on tobacco and alcohol retailers. In Australia, rather than been a defence to criminal liability like in the US, it is raised in terms of suitability and desirability of accepting evidence. And to date, the courts have said it’s fine.

So how would it be entrapment?

Because it would. It would operate so as to have the same result.

c_c said :

Charlie57 said :

c_c said :

Good idea but I wonder about entrapment.

My understanding of entrapment is that the police have done something to trick the offender into doing the illegal thing that they wouldn’t have normally done. If an underage person ask to buy a pack of cigarettes and the shopkeep hands them over, I don’t see that anyone has been tricked into not asking for ID.

The only thing that surprises me about this is that it hasn’t been happening for years. Nothing wrong with it.

colourful sydney racing identity said :

c_c said :

Good idea but I wonder about entrapment.

We are not America yet, there is no such principle under Australian law.

Entrapment isn’t tricking someone, it’s simply inducing someone to do something they may not have otherwise done.

While there is no singular principle in Australia of entrapment like in the US and British and Australian common law have been unclear on the subject, courts interstate have been asked to consider whether they can accept evident in sting operations on tobacco and alcohol retailers. In Australia, rather than been a defence to criminal liability like in the US, it is raised in terms of suitability and desirability of accepting evidence. And to date, the courts have said it’s fine.

So how would it be entrapment?

basketcase 4:47 pm 06 Jun 12

Sitting outside the Charnwwod shops were a few idle kids, but then out came 18+yo and dished out the packets of cigarettes and off they went happy as Larry. I’ve seen grog passed on to minors this way as well.

Thinks the entrapment laws are a joke

c_c 4:03 pm 06 Jun 12

Charlie57 said :

c_c said :

Good idea but I wonder about entrapment.

My understanding of entrapment is that the police have done something to trick the offender into doing the illegal thing that they wouldn’t have normally done. If an underage person ask to buy a pack of cigarettes and the shopkeep hands them over, I don’t see that anyone has been tricked into not asking for ID.

The only thing that surprises me about this is that it hasn’t been happening for years. Nothing wrong with it.

colourful sydney racing identity said :

c_c said :

Good idea but I wonder about entrapment.

We are not America yet, there is no such principle under Australian law.

Entrapment isn’t tricking someone, it’s simply inducing someone to do something they may not have otherwise done.

While there is no singular principle in Australia of entrapment like in the US and British and Australian common law have been unclear on the subject, courts interstate have been asked to consider whether they can accept evident in sting operations on tobacco and alcohol retailers. In Australia, rather than been a defence to criminal liability like in the US, it is raised in terms of suitability and desirability of accepting evidence. And to date, the courts have said it’s fine.

snoopydoc 3:37 pm 06 Jun 12

geetee said :

Can’t wait for the next recruitment wave for under-age entrapment officers.

– Free yo-yo if you can help us catch a kiddy-fiddler or pimp
– Free hoodie if you can score some dope for us
– $10 worth of phone credit if you dob dad in for threatening the kids
– Free Maccas voucher if you report Mum’s offensive muffin-top

Look, now this is getting ridiculous… Except that last one… clearly all muffin-tops should be punishable by mandatory sentencing on the first offense. 🙂

c_c said :

Good idea but I wonder about entrapment.

We are not America yet, there is no such principle under Australian law.

unclebill 11:59 am 06 Jun 12

one step away from becoming a fulltime informant & purchasing weed and dobbing in non “controlled release” dealers.

Charlie57 11:53 am 06 Jun 12

c_c said :

Good idea but I wonder about entrapment.

My understanding of entrapment is that the police have done something to trick the offender into doing the illegal thing that they wouldn’t have normally done. If an underage person ask to buy a pack of cigarettes and the shopkeep hands them over, I don’t see that anyone has been tricked into not asking for ID.

The only thing that surprises me about this is that it hasn’t been happening for years. Nothing wrong with it.

Mysteryman 10:26 am 06 Jun 12

Truthiness said :

This is a great idea! encouraging minors to turn in their friends has been the hallmark of every great civilisation. Having the foresight, nay, genius, to reward their betrayal with free propaganda , a master stroke! soon we will rid the world of all evil plants and our children shall be loyal only to the enforcement agencies!

Then our reich will last for 1000 years!

geetee 9:47 am 06 Jun 12

Can’t wait for the next recruitment wave for under-age entrapment officers.

– Free yo-yo if you can help us catch a kiddy-fiddler or pimp
– Free hoodie if you can score some dope for us
– $10 worth of phone credit if you dob dad in for threatening the kids
– Free Maccas voucher if you report Mum’s offensive muffin-top

Stevian 9:47 am 06 Jun 12

Thumper said :

Does anyone else feel slightly uncomfortable about this?

Only the criminals amongst you. Which probably means all of you.

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