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Where are Canberra’s covert speeding cameras?

By Bundah_Bloke 15 May 2009 58

I just got stung again with an infringement speeding ticket, again through a set of lights.

I must have missed this years ago when announced but are all Red light cameras also functioning as speed cameras?

If not is there a list available that shows which ones are “dual” purpose (=double revenue)?

Why is it that when a mobile radar unit is set up on the road they’re required to put up a sign stating your speed has been recorded but for these fixed Red light/speeding cameras no such warning is required?

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TP 3000 10:38 pm 24 May 09

canberracapital said :

I believe that those fixed cameras are fake as there are no wires in the ground which you see at ALL cameras, including the one further down the parkway at Cotter Road overpass. This would agree with the quote above from ‘shutterbug’. If the fixed camera is fake, then they can have the van there cause it doesnt technically break the 2km rule.

I have suspected that, but haven’t had the guts to test it out yet. But I would love to know what happened about Canberra getting those point to point cameras (they time you from one point to another & if you get there before the recommended time you get a ticket)?

But one thing you will always notice, drunken idiots who run into street signs, will never tough a speed camera sign.

Special G 8:49 pm 24 May 09

We could always go the way of Victoria and sting people 3km over the limit and have covert speed cameras all over the place.

I’m with Jim Jones – If you can’t read the signs get off the road. If you are unsure of the speed limit then 50km/h applies. I also think double demerits should apply all the time for school zones.

The long straight stretch of road with a speed camera in the middle of it may be there to stop max speed trials. Think about it.

If you don’t speed then you don’t have to worry about speed cameras. simple really.

canberracapital 6:03 pm 24 May 09

They have been sneaky around the Tuggeranong Parkway too.

shutterbug said :

The vehicle based speed camera have been trying a sneaky tactic along Northbourne and the Monaro Highway in recent weeks.
They park around 200m down the road from one of the many fixed speed cameras on these roads, no doubt catching speeding motarists a second time for the same single offence.
I would suggest anyone caught by these could get one of the tickets overturned as someone successfully sued the RTA for this double booking rubbish.
Under the regulations that speed cameras are allowed to operate, they must be located at least 2km from another camera site. There are also many other regulations which I often see the cameras in breach of. Now that Ive gone looking for it though, they seem to have made it difficult to find

The speed camera van has been sitting aout 100-200m from the on-ramp from Hindmarsh Drive onto Tugg Parkway, just where you get to the rock type wall heading Northbound (about 500-600m from the Fixed Camera on Hindmarsh Dr bridge.) I believe that those fixed cameras are fake as there are no wires in the ground which you see at ALL cameras, including the one further down the parkway at Cotter Road overpass. This would agree with the quote above from ‘shutterbug’. If the fixed camera is fake, then they can have the van there cause it doesnt technically break the 2km rule.

Nosey 9:21 am 16 May 09

Yeah and how about if there’s someone so far up your exhaust pipe that if you do brake for the lights, you’d get shunted? It has been a legitimate defence in the past.

Not for a red light.

Maybe this was the story with the crashed police car above. I know if I had a marked car behind me and the light turned orange, Id be slamming on the brakes and collecting my insurance money.

What insurance money?

The money you would not get because the Police stopped befpre hitting you.

Also, why would you stop to try and have the Police hit you? What if they were getting to an incident that did not warrant lights and sirens but still required Police assistance.

My guess is you would be in the right hand lane in a posted 80km/h zone.

JC 3:36 am 16 May 09

bd84 said :

Jim Jones said :

The local road 50kph limit is clearly posted on roads into the ACT. Everyone who lives here should know about this limit.

You’re required to obey the posted speed limit of the road you’re driving on (or the last posted limit), not the limit that is posted on a sign at the border. It is “generally” known that the speed limit in suburban streets are 50kph, but then not every suburban street is 50kph. My rule of thumb is that if the road is lined and not signposted 50kph or otherwise, the limit is 60kph. I’d take it to court if fined too.
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You are wrong on something. The 50km/h limit on suburban roads (without speed limit signs) is defined in law, not a generally known rule as you have put it. Below is rule 25 from the National Road rules.

Oh if you want to drive in a place where you need to guess the speed limit, go to the UK. Over there their rules are drive within the posted limit if one is posted. If nothing is posted then you drive at the default speed, just like us. But the gotcha is the default limit changes all based on the type of road. 70mph on dual carriage way, 60mph on this type of road, 50 here, 40 there, at times it is just a guess. What is worse is they go to the effort to put up a blue sign with circle through it to indicate it is a default speed road, when they may as well have actually put up a sign with an actual limit on it.

25 Speed-limit elsewhere
(1) If a speed-limit sign does not apply to a length of road and the length of road is not in a speed-limited area, school zone or shared zone, the speed-limit applying to a driver for the length of road is the default speed-limit. Note Length of road is defined in the dictionary, school zone is defined in rule 23, shared zone is defined in rule 24, and speed-limited area is defined in rule 22.

(2) The default speed-limit applying to a driver for a length of road in a built-up area is 50 kilometres per hour. Note Built-up area is defined in the dictionary.

bd84 10:05 pm 15 May 09

Jim Jones said :

The local road 50kph limit is clearly posted on roads into the ACT. Everyone who lives here should know about this limit.

You’re required to obey the posted speed limit of the road you’re driving on (or the last posted limit), not the limit that is posted on a sign at the border. It is “generally” known that the speed limit in suburban streets are 50kph, but then not every suburban street is 50kph. My rule of thumb is that if the road is lined and not signposted 50kph or otherwise, the limit is 60kph. I’d take it to court if fined too.

Anyway, I have no problem with red light/speed cameras. Except the line is set so thin that you tend to see people jam their breaks on to avoid the risk that the amber light may turn red while just exiting the intersection. Also the cameras only capture one direction and normally only straight ahead.

Sleaz274 10:04 pm 15 May 09

The roads aren’t inadequately signposted the speeds are ridiculously low for the type of roads we use so instead of 80% of people driving to the condition of the road 80% of people think they can go faster and then wonder what the hell the speed limit actually is then wait the 3-5-10 km to see a sign. Adelaide Ave, Monaro Hwy, Ginniderra Dr, Belconnen Way, Parkway, Limestone Ave, Majura etc etc.

Mind you I’ve had this rant before and vg cried for my soul which was sweet.

vg 7:59 pm 15 May 09

Where are the covert cameras? There aren’t any.

If there were they wouldn’t be used to issue tickets. Then you would know where they are and they wouldn’t be very covert now would they.

Did you mean hidden? There aren’t any of those either.

If you have been stung twice (once not enough for you?) through lights then call me rabid and crazy but maybe, just maybe, you could stick to the speed limit through them.

I know that may seem radical to you but with a cup of tea and a bit of time it might sink in

asher 6:37 pm 15 May 09

It’s never occurred to me that we don’t have enough signs. My empirical test – driving in Canberra for 7 years – has left me with one speeding fine. I sped through Dickson lights at 72, and believe it or not, didn’t say:

“those rascals, they tricked me with their hidden camera”

If you’re driving properly, you’ll see speed signs. They’re red and white, they pick up your head lights, they’re everywhere,they’re in the universal language of numbers.

I agree with multiple posters above – if you can’t see speed signs, what are you doing driving?

JC 4:28 pm 15 May 09

shutterbug said :

The vehicle based speed camera have been trying a sneaky tactic along Northbourne and the Monaro Highway in recent weeks.
They park around 200m down the road from one of the many fixed speed cameras on these roads, no doubt catching speeding motarists a second time for the same single offence.
I would suggest anyone caught by these could get one of the tickets overturned as someone successfully sued the RTA for this double booking rubbish.

On the F3 north of the Hawkesbury river there is a line of 3 or 4 camera’s, all about 1-2km apart. Not good if you genuinely didn’t know the limit and thought you were doing the right thing. I have often wondered how it can be legal to charge someone with say 4 different offence if they speed through the lot. More so on that strech of road as it is a variable speed limit area, which is based on weather it is raining or not.

As for the tactic you mentioned. I can see why they have done that, getting the ones who slow down for the fixed camera then speed up.

ant 4:02 pm 15 May 09

Not all roads without driveways are 80. Fairbairn Ave for most of its length is 60.

frontrow 3:39 pm 15 May 09

Plenty of motorists are able to handle driving with our signs the way they are without accumulating speeding fines. Observation skills are very important while driving. Until the government is able to place large signs, giving several hundred metres notice, in front of every unexpected incident (such as small children running onto the road), I am entirely happy with the status quo. If people without the observation skills to handle current signage standards accumulate sufficient fines to discourage them from driving altogether, so much the better.

Jim Jones 3:37 pm 15 May 09

Jumping Jesus on a pogo stick.

Again, he cried: “If you can’t see a speed sign, why are you driving a car?”

Am I alone in thinking that the roads are adequately signposted? It’s not like they’re hidden or anything. Size ‘B’ is bigger than Malcolm Turnbull’s head – you’d have to be either drunk or stupid not to see it.

In the rare event that someone does, it’s blindingly obvious that roads with driveways are 60 zones, other roads are 80, and anything above is usually signposted every km or so (I can’t believe someone is complaining that roads are *only* singnposted at 1km intervals

The local road 50kph limit is clearly posted on roads into the ACT. Everyone who lives here should know about this limit.

And, quite frankly, I haven’t heard a slew of stories and/or complaints from visitors booked for speeding. I’d be willing to bet that tourists are generally driving a lot more slowly than the locals (particularly if they’re looking for which way to go).

PS – Very Busy: that was a remarkably lame attempt at a sledge. Do try harder. Actually having a point might help. All you could muster was a bit of useless bluster.

Sgt.Bungers 3:14 pm 15 May 09

Jim Jones and PB: You missed my point completely, or you didn’t read the post entirely. I am NOT suggesting the government is at fault for people who exceed the speed limit when they know perfectly well what the speed limit is. I AM suggesting they are at fault when people are booked in an area where the speed limit signage is poor, hence not all drivers were sure what the speed limit is.

If we want ALL drivers to obey the speed limit on any given section of road, then we MUST cater for those who are not observant enough to spot a small speed limit sign 5-6 metres above the road on top of a direction sign. At least until our licencing system is changed so as NOT to cater for people who aren’t that observant.

I am not saying that there must be a speed limit sign every hundred metres on every road… I am saying that the ACT Gov MUST install speed limit signs using the same standards as used interstate.

Currently we have the highest number of automated speed cameras per capita in the country… clearly the ACT Gov wants us to think it’s important for us to obey the speed limit. Why then do we have some of the poorest speed limit signage in the country? These two factors only make sense if automated speed limit enforcement is about revenue. If it were about safety we’d also have the most overt and over the top speed limit signage in the country.

Very Busy 3:02 pm 15 May 09

Jim Jones said :

Sgt.Bungers said :

Very long rant… blah blah blah blah blah

That’s a massive rant that could be shortened to the following statement: “It’s the government’s fault everyone is speeding.”

Seriously, people need to stop whining about this kind of crap and making excuses. It’s not feckin rocket science.

Jim Jones said :

Also, if you can’t read the speed signs that are there, what the hell are you doing driving a car?

Jim,

Sgt Bungers was making a valid point, raising a valid issue, and giving a valid solution. He gave good examples resulting in a long post and mentioned himself at the beginning that it was a long rant. Your arrogant attitude is another problem we have on the roads.

dvaey 2:52 pm 15 May 09

Jim Jones said :

Also, if you can’t read the speed signs that are there, what the hell are you doing driving a car?

My girlfriend recently completed the Road Ready course for her learners, and 2 of the students in the class were unable to do their knowledge test without a translator who could translate the knowledge questions for them. She said this was standard practice for students who are unable to read and/or unable to understand english. Kinda a scary thought.

Pommy bastard 2:21 pm 15 May 09

Jim Jones said :

Sgt.Bungers said :

Very long rant… blah blah blah blah blah

That’s a massive rant that could be shortened to the following statement: “It’s the government’s fault everyone is speeding.”

Seriously, people need to stop whining about this kind of crap and making excuses. It’s not feckin rocket science.

+1

Did you not try what we call “a driving test” Sgt.Bungers?
Did you not learn that for each road in Aus there is a given speed limit?
Were you not aware that breaking that speed limit results in fines if you are caught?
Want the govt to employ someone to sit in your back seat, letting you know when you are exceeding the speed limit, and liable to get fined?

“Personal responsibility”, it’s all the rage amongst intelligent folk…

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