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Why bother paying parking fines?

By johnboy 10 August 2009 48

The Canberra Times brings word of the expectedly shambolic state of parking fine collection in the ACT:

    At January 1, more than 160,000 unpaid fines were sitting on the rego.act database, some dating back to 1980, and all but 22,300 were overdue.

Apparently there’s $23 million worth of them.

Why not just slap the unpaid fines onto the next rego fee?

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Clown Killer 5:01 pm 14 Sep 09

It really would depend on the car in question I suppose. By way of comparison the current modle Holden SS Commodore sedan (1774kg) has a kerb weight 7kgs more than the equivalent SS ute (1767kg).

That aside I still believe that the ‘hundreds of dollars more’ claim still doesnt stack up, because the diference in registration between what Average Joe Sedandriver pays and what Average Joe Tradesman pays is irrellevant. It’s the diffenece between registering a vehicle of a particular weight as a goods carrying vehicle or a passenger vehicle which is around $65.00.

dvaey 4:40 pm 14 Sep 09

Clown Killer said :

Is that based on the same weight catagory dvaey? There’ll be a greater diference if you compare vehicles from diferent weight catagories.

My two vehicles are different weight category, as I also presume in the original comment about 2 utes and a car being ticketed that the utes were larger/heavier than the car being ticketed.

busgirl said :

p1 said :

How about, rather then a database as suggested above, the state governments simply send a list at the end of each year to the ATO, who check it before sending out the refunds.

One of the few examples of where there is a ‘link’ between the databases of two separate government agencies is the Centrelink maternity allowance. ..snip.. I don’t see any such logical link between a person’s parking fines and their annual income tax return.

What about child support payments? If you owe child support and receive a tax refund or some other government grant, isnt your child-support debt money collected from that before being passed onto you? I also know that centrelink and ATO do perform data-matching, as I applied for centrelink payment after losing a job several years ago, about a month later I received a letter from Centrelink saying theyd performed data-matching with ATO (about 6 months late), and tried to insist I was still working, until I took the documentation in and proved their data-matching was out-of-date.

Clown Killer 3:05 pm 14 Sep 09

Is that based on the same weight catagory dvaey? There’ll be a greater diference if you compare vehicles from diferent weight catagories: http://www.rego.act.gov.au/registrations/regofee.htm

dvaey 2:09 pm 14 Sep 09

Clown Killer said :

Utes are classified as commercial vehicles and allowed to park in loading zones, no permit required (they get to pay hundreds of dollars extra for rego as it is).

The diference in registration is around $63pa. Goods carrying vehicles are allowed to stop in loading zones whilst loadig and unloading.
Perhaps checking your facts before sprouting this nonsense might be an idea in future

I hate to point out the ‘facts’, but my hatchback costs me $680/yr for rego whereas my ute costs just under $800. This is a price difference of $120, while its not ‘hundreds of dollars’, its almost an extra 20% on top.

One funny thing is, a friend has a 2-seater wagon which is classified as a passenger vehicle, even though it is heaveier and has more storage space than my 5-seater ute which is classified as a goods vehicle, simply because of the body shape.

busgirl 2:05 pm 14 Sep 09

p1 said :

How about, rather then a database as suggested above, the state governments simply send a list at the end of each year to the ATO, who check it before sending out the refunds. Unless telling the ATO who has been illegally parking (AND not paid the fine) is a beach of privacy, where is the problem.

One of the few examples of where there is a ‘link’ between the databases of two separate government agencies is the Centrelink maternity allowance. It is a non-income tested payment to encourage parents to immunise their children. When the time comes for Centrelink to make this payment to a parent, a ‘call’ is made to the Australian Childhood Immunisation Register (maintained by Medicare) to first match the Centrelink record to an existing Medicare record, then determine whether the child in question is up to date with their immunisations. The return message is a Y or N indicator and that is all. If the return message shows a Y then the payment is made. If it shows an N then the payment is not made. Even though there is a logical link between the Centrelink payment and the child’s immunisation status, no other information is allowed to be accessed, or returned, under any circumstances. I don’t see any such logical link between a person’s parking fines and their annual income tax return. An ‘in-house’ solution would probably be more appropriate – where the outstanding fines are added on to the cost of renewing one’s license or car registration.
That’s my two-cents worth anyway…

Clown Killer 1:41 pm 14 Sep 09

Utes are classified as commercial vehicles and allowed to park in loading zones, no permit required (they get to pay hundreds of dollars extra for rego as it is).

The diference in registration is around $63pa. Goods carrying vehicles are allowed to stop in loading zones whilst loadig and unloading. A ute parked in a loading zone that isn’t loading or unloading is illegally parked.

Perhaps checking your facts before sprouting this nonsense might be an idea in future

el 12:08 pm 14 Sep 09

TP 3000 said :

I don’t know why we bother with parking cops.

Yesterday out at Gungahlin there was this car parked at the back of the Gungahlin Marktplace bus stop (no parking zone). Now the car had a disabled sticker on the dash. But the half stoned driver (she stumbled to her car & sadly no cops around at the time) was 2 metres away having a coffee. I couldn’t see any reason why she needed to park there & if only I knew she was the driver at the time. I could of made up some bs story & took some photos.

Another experience was out at Kippax shops. Now there were 2 utes & a car parked in the loading zone, no vechile had any special sticker on the dash, but the parking cop comes up books the car has a glance at the other loading zones, does a few laps of Kippax carpark & drives off.

I am not having a go at ALL parking people, in fact I get into nice chats with the inspectors & coincidentally I’ve never been booked. But they should try to be fair (& book everyone but me).

Huh? Ever consider that the ‘half stoned’ looking driver may have a) looked that way and b) been stumbling to her car DUE TO HER DISABILITY? Sounds like you’ve already made up a BS story, no photos required.

Your other experience – Utes are classified as commercial vehicles and allowed to park in loading zones, no permit required (they get to pay hundreds of dollars extra for rego as it is). This is why the idiot in the car got ticketed in the loading zone and not them.

Perhaps checking your facts before sprouting this nonsense might be an idea in future?

p1 11:51 am 14 Sep 09

…ummmm…I’m no legal eagle, or anything even close, but I think that would pretty much be classed as a breach of the Privacy Act. The information held on the databases of two different government agencies is kept separate for a reason. How very Big Brother of you….

How about, rather then a database as suggested above, the state governments simply send a list at the end of each year to the ATO, who check it before sending out the refunds. Unless telling the ATO who has been illegally parking (AND not paid the fine) is a beach of privacy, where is the problem.

Some times I get a little creeped out by the idea of a “Big Brother” government approach, but other times I can’t help but think how simple it could be to have drivers licence, rego, medicare, library card, passport, creditcard, etc all on the one card/database.

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