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Woman arrested for Kingston murder

By Anna Key 25 February 2010 19

The AFP are reporting that a 19 yo women has been arrested for a 2008 murder and will appear in the ACT childrens court.

Notwithstanding the fact that the ACT doesn’t have murders, only manslaughters, she is appearing in the Kiddies Court because she was under 18 when the alleged incident occurs.  So if she wasn’t arrested for another 10 or 20 years, would she still be charged as a child?  Seems rather odd that she gets the protection of being a child as a 19 year old and would be odder if she was 30 or 40 when arrested.

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beautiful_disaster 8:47 pm 20 Mar 10

it is questionable if it was in self defence, it’s a one sided arguement because of what she did. I don’t believe in hanging her but holding her responsible for her actions is the best way to show her that she can’t just do whatever she wants and get away with it. And i know for a fact that she was also wounded by the knife in the attack she was in hospital with a serious wound to her knee/leg.
She did actually co-operate with the police from the beginning and the reason that they are only charging her now is because they didn’t have enough to charge her in 2008 or 2009 and the federal police were busy in Moranbah and Mackay getting a background on her.

Tooks 12:42 pm 05 Mar 10

sepi said :

there is also the question of how come it has taken so long to charge her. news items have said that she told police her version of events the day after. so why are they charging her now years after?

If you read what’s in the media, her version of events was that he tried to sexually assault her, so she stabbed him. Obviously these claims had to be investigated thoroughly before arresting her.

smpc 1:49 pm 01 Mar 10

The ACT does have a crime of murder. It’s just difficult for the prosecution to prove because you have to show either intention to kill or what is usually called reckless indifference to human life. In other jurisdictions it is enough to show intention to inflict grievous bodily harm. So if you bash someone meaning to leave them broken and bruised and you go too far and kill them, that’s murder in NSW and manslaughter here. Combine that with our low rate of homicide and abracadabra, (last time I looked), no murder convictions in the ACT for around a decade.

Thumper 8:18 am 01 Mar 10

Child offenders should be transported to the colonies!

That’ll sort of those little ruffians and scallywags….

YapYapYap 11:51 pm 28 Feb 10

Child offenders are just that, children. For those who believe sending children to adult criminal facilities is fine, seeing how Queensland deals with 17 year old offenders might give you reason to reconsider your view: http://www.abc.net.au/worldtoday/content/2009/s2779222.htm

To my mind, a really good justice system would see ‘law and order’ freaks beaten to death at local shopping centres for the entertainment of the masses- but call me old-fashioned.

Pandy 10:55 pm 28 Feb 10

I think she deserve to be flogged with a cat-o-nine tails for her obvious wasting stabs. One stab to the heart was all that was needed.

sepi 8:58 pm 28 Feb 10

there is also the question of how come it has taken so long to charge her. news items have said that she told police her version of events the day after. so why are they charging her now years after?

I’m not criticising, just a bit fascinated – were they waiting for a confession, has another witness come forward – something must have changed.

Mr Evil 5:29 pm 28 Feb 10

astrojax said :

there’s also the question of why she drove the knife in – you know, the circumstances of the incident, mr evil. maybe they fell on the bullet or something…

As has been stated in several news items previously, she apparently stabbed him numerous times. No doubt in self defense, of course.

astrojax 1:36 pm 27 Feb 10

there’s also the question of why she drove the knife in – you know, the circumstances of the incident, mr evil. maybe they fell on the bullet or something…

Mr Evil 10:52 am 27 Feb 10

To be fair, she was only 17 at the time, and there’s no way she could have possibly known that driving a knife into someone could possibly kill them.

astrojax 8:03 am 27 Feb 10

xtremecrim said :

either way she should be sentenced as an adult for the simple fact it’s MURDER no matter what age she committed the crime i say handle things the ways the yanks handle it if it’s a serious crime you be tried as an adult……

of course, so a seven year old fires a gun and kills someone should be hanged by the neck until they cheer up as any adult might? someone dying doesn’t make it ‘murder’ – only the actual, you know, facts determine that.

Cletus 3 4:11 am 27 Feb 10

xtremecrim said :

either way she should be sentenced as an adult for the simple fact it’s MURDER no matter what age she committed the crime i say handle things the ways the yanks handle it if it’s a serious crime you be tried as an adult……

Because, as we all know, the yanks have such a good handle on their crime problems.

proneon 10:45 pm 26 Feb 10

Should we wait until she is found guilty of murder before we hang her?

xtremecrim 4:29 pm 26 Feb 10

either way she should be sentenced as an adult for the simple fact it’s MURDER no matter what age she committed the crime i say handle things the ways the yanks handle it if it’s a serious crime you be tried as an adult……

bd84 3:21 pm 26 Feb 10

buzz819 said :

It’s just the way the law works. If you have someone who breaks the law as a juvenile, say 17, the get bailed and the case gets put over for a while, they still haven’t been dealt with by the time they are 19 or 20 then they breach their bail, they will get remanded to Bimberi Youth detention centre, stupid isn’t it?

They will not necessarily be remanded to the youth justice centre, it will depend on the age of the offender, I believe the cut-off age is about 21 and it’s normally restricted to offenders who were already in the youth justice system. In most cases it makes sense that the offence occurs when you’re a minor, that you are dealth with by the children’s courts.

caf 12:11 pm 26 Feb 10

If they didn’t do it like that, then the authorities would have an incentive to delay the investigation and prosecution until the suspect became an adult.

NeedHelp 11:30 am 26 Feb 10

Yes, the law will take into consideration your ability to determine right from wrong at the time you committed the offence, not when you’ve outgrown your nappies and grown some brain cells ten or twenty years later.

Yes she would still be charged as a child 10-20 years later because she was a child when she committed the crime – that’s the point of it – when the crime was committed not when you are arrested.

buzz819 9:39 am 26 Feb 10

It’s just the way the law works. If you have someone who breaks the law as a juvenile, say 17, the get bailed and the case gets put over for a while, they still haven’t been dealt with by the time they are 19 or 20 then they breach their bail, they will get remanded to Bimberi Youth detention centre, stupid isn’t it?

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