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Zed comes down against public art

johnboy 14 April 2011 54

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Liberal Leader Zed Seselja has woken up and had a spray at the Chiefly Stanhope’s search for more public art funding.

It’s stealing bread out of the mouths of the struggling families dontcha know!

“This is the extraordinary disconnect Jon Stanhope and ACT Labor have with Canberra households suffering under significant cost-of-living pressures,” Zed said. “Jon Stanhope’s focus isn’t on easing the burden of high housing and rental cost, rates, electricity or parking – it’s on public art and legacy projects.


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PeterK 1:26 pm 22 Apr 11

colourful sydney racing identity said :

PeterK said :

You can’t even run a toy government properly you clown…

*ahem* The nation’s capital remains the best performing economy in the country overall, even outpacing Western Australia but Victoria is catching up with the leaders.

http://news.smh.com.au/breaking-news-national/act-remains-top-of-the-tree-among-states-20110418-1dk3g.html

Delivering a smoke and mirrors positive budget does not equate to running a government properly. One only has to look around (and live) in Canberra to see that money is not being wisely spent. Anyone with half a brain (a hell of a lot more than Stanhope has) could tell you that the basic priorities for any community are health, education and community safety. Instead we get sub-standard hospitals, schools closing and less police (but more speed cameras) on the road along with a 5 star facility so that we can all sleep at night knowing that the criminal community behind bars is happy and warm and feeling as loved as possible.

Stanhope’s “up yours Canberra” attitude stems from the fact that he has had no real competition for the past few years. As a result he tries to satisfy his own little man syndrome by doing whatever he wants. The fact that he believes that people become “mute” on some subjects shows just how much he is missing the point – it is not because the Canberra people are accepting his decisions as the right ones, they have given up voicing their views because they know he just does not care and will simply continue with his “”my way or the highway” views. Isn’t it funny how silent he has become since the “redneck” comment – as usual hiding behind his office walls when the going gets tough.

I personally am sick and tired of the kind hearted Canberra community having to continuously reach into their own pockets time after time via community fundraisers to buy essential hospital equipment such as humidicribs and infrastructure for cancer treatment because we are constantly told that “there is not enough money to fund such items”, and yet Stanhope is quite happy to make sure that half a million dollars is spend of some pieve of metal in the middle of Civic. Fantastic – when an infant or a cancer suffer dies I will make sure that I remind their families how good our artworks are as that will make them feel much better about it all.

Priorities… where are they?

colourful sydney racing identity 3:27 pm 19 Apr 11

colourful sydney racing identity said :

Pommy bastard said :

CSRI, you want examples?

colourful sydney racing identity said :

So what you’re saying is that you want us all looking exactly the same, living in uniform grey concrete high rise apartments with shaved heads and brown shirts?

Yes, that was after you made the claim in response to how ridiculous it was. Pease post an example from before you made that claim or are you ignoring what I have written, making stuff up that I haven’t said – I think you may have previously pointed out that in the real world this is also known as lying.

Still nothing?

I should not be surprised it’s you modus opperandi (sic) here. You ignore what I have written, make up stuff which I haven’t said, then post it here as if quoting me.

(In the real world this is also known as ‘lying’.)

I won’t go on the usual rant you do when someone misrepresents you.

colourful sydney racing identity 2:28 pm 18 Apr 11

Mysteryman said :

Yes, there is more important stuff to spend money on. Perhaps instead of putting words in our mouths, you should familiarise yourself with this concept:

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/priorities

When (if) you’ve grasped that idea, then come back to this thread and contribute something meaningful.

What gives? I thought we were buds?

Mysteryman 2:16 pm 18 Apr 11

colourful sydney racing identity said :

Mysteryman said :

chewy14 said :

CSRI has the best Christmas parties, although they’re not allowed to be called Christmas parties because we wouldn’t want to offend others of different or no denomination.

He has the biggest Christmas tree decked out to the nines with sparkly goodies, it’s just a shame after spending all that money on it he couldn’t afford to unblock the toilet and fix the leaky roof.

+1

That was precisely Zed’s point, too. Spend money where it’s needed most.

So I guess you are also against the upkeep of parks and gardens, childrens play equipment and the removal of grafitti – after all there is more ‘important’ stuff to spend money on…

Yes, there is more important stuff to spend money on. Perhaps instead of putting words in our mouths, you should familiarise yourself with this concept:

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/priorities

When (if) you’ve grasped that idea, then come back to this thread and contribute something meaningful.

colourful sydney racing identity 2:07 pm 18 Apr 11

Pommy bastard said :

CSRI, you want examples?

colourful sydney racing identity said :

So what you’re saying is that you want us all looking exactly the same, living in uniform grey concrete high rise apartments with shaved heads and brown shirts?

Yes, that was after you made the claim in response to how ridiculous it was. Pease post an example from before you made that claim or are you ignoring what I have written, making stuff up that I haven’t said – I think you may have previously pointed out that in the real world this is also known as lying.

Pommy bastard 1:56 pm 18 Apr 11

CSRI, you want examples?

colourful sydney racing identity said :

So what you’re saying is that you want us all looking exactly the same, living in uniform grey concrete high rise apartments with shaved heads and brown shirts?

colourful sydney racing identity 12:21 pm 18 Apr 11

Mysteryman said :

chewy14 said :

CSRI has the best Christmas parties, although they’re not allowed to be called Christmas parties because we wouldn’t want to offend others of different or no denomination.

He has the biggest Christmas tree decked out to the nines with sparkly goodies, it’s just a shame after spending all that money on it he couldn’t afford to unblock the toilet and fix the leaky roof.

+1

That was precisely Zed’s point, too. Spend money where it’s needed most.

So I guess you are also against the upkeep of parks and gardens, childrens play equipment and the removal of grafitti – after all there is more ‘important’ stuff to spend money on…

Mysteryman 11:55 am 18 Apr 11

chewy14 said :

CSRI has the best Christmas parties, although they’re not allowed to be called Christmas parties because we wouldn’t want to offend others of different or no denomination.

He has the biggest Christmas tree decked out to the nines with sparkly goodies, it’s just a shame after spending all that money on it he couldn’t afford to unblock the toilet and fix the leaky roof.

+1

That was precisely Zed’s point, too. Spend money where it’s needed most.

colourful sydney racing identity 11:23 am 18 Apr 11

Pommy bastard said :

Mysteryman said :

Do you get what we’re trying to say, or are you intentionally missing the point?

I must object! Jim and CSRI NEVER intentionally miss the point.

They’d have to get it first.. 🙂

It’s their modus opperandi here. They ignore what you have written, make up stuff which you haven’t said, then post it here as if quoting you.

(In the real world this is also known as “lying”.)

PB, could you please point to where I have done that?

Diggety 10:43 am 18 Apr 11

colourful sydney racing identity said :

*ahem* The nation’s capital remains the best performing economy in the country overall, even outpacing Western Australia but Victoria is catching up with the leaders.

CSRI, you are right, but you seem to forget the reason for this: it has been achieved with other people’s money (ACT’s economy is essentially run on Federal tax revenues, i.e. Australian Public Service).

And this Territory’s financial inertia is at the core of the problem. Stanhope has become so attuned to not dealing with economic realities such as “earning money”, that he now has developed a profound disregard for spending other people’s money (ACT tax revenue, i.e. our taxes).

He doesn’t give a s*** about the people he is meant to represent anymore. He has been able to exist in a socialist dream for too long, this manifests itself in complete arrogance*.

* The birth of many a dictator, in fact. Luckily that will never happen in our country as long as I have a hole for an arse.

colourful sydney racing identity 10:03 am 18 Apr 11

PeterK said :

You can’t even run a toy government properly you clown…

*ahem* The nation’s capital remains the best performing economy in the country overall, even outpacing Western Australia but Victoria is catching up with the leaders.

http://news.smh.com.au/breaking-news-national/act-remains-top-of-the-tree-among-states-20110418-1dk3g.html

PeterK 8:02 am 18 Apr 11

Yet another pathetic comment from a joke of a man who is no more than an overpaid public servant who continues to prove how ridiculously out of touch he is with the community he has been untrusted with looking after.

I am sure that the people (rednecks or philistines maybe) who sit in the Canberra Hospital Emergency Department for 15 hours on a Tuesday night waiting for treatment at our underfunded and rundown hospital will be comforted by the fact their taxes continue to pay for overpriced and ugly artwork all over town while the rest of the infrastructure continues to crumble around them. What name will you give them Jon? I call them “voters”.

Let’s all hope too that following complaints from inmates about the food at the 5 star AMC criminal resort and day spa, that Stanjoke reacts accordingly like the solid leader he is and employs a 2 hat chef in there to make sure the lawbreakers have access to their lobster and Moet that they so desperately deserve and are entitled to. That’s right Jon, make sure you look after those “rednecks” and not your other tax paying, law abiding citizens.

This guy lost the plot a long time ago. If you want to start a name calling war Jon, how about we start calling you “Gadaffi” because you are no better than that dictator. You can’t even run a toy government properly you clown…

Gerry-Built 2:34 pm 15 Apr 11

I’ve got no problem with public monies being used to decorate the environment… appropriately… What I do have a problem with, is $100K being spent on a glass wall at the Canberra gaol and defended as investment in public buildings, when there is not a single school in Canberra (a much more positive and worthy recipient) that can boast such a sculpture…

Jerry Atric 2:24 pm 15 Apr 11

I seem to remember that Pericles was hit with the same criticism when the Parthenon ran over budget. The Medici were thinking about future tourist profits when decorating Florence and they were right!

Gungahlin Al 12:57 pm 15 Apr 11

Sleaz274 said :

Well to return to topic the problem with the public arts scheme was the 1% flat rate of capital spending. What politicians forget is the power of percentages when dealing with very large numbers. When you embark on several years of record breaking capital works spending (upwards of $1 billion) and you’ve allocated 1% for public art suddenly you find a huge amount available for splashing around on art projects and as public servants tend to do when the wheels are in motion so the spending begins…

Good point. To which I’d add the assumption that this 1% had to be spent in the immediate location of said project. Which led to big expensive art pieces inappropriately placed in the middle of major road intersections where people need to be concentrating on things other than pretty/ugly/inspiring/depressing/interesting art.

While I like Stipa (I know – many don’t – surely you get the idea of the native grasslands being taken over by conrete and steel?), I think it is a daft location for it. There was a perfectly good location on the east side about a klick further north. But hold on – that part of Gungahlin Drive was already there, so the art couldn’t go there?

Either inappropriate drafting of requirements, or inappropriate interpretation of them.

But blanket opposition to public art? Cannot support it or Zed’s approach. Base politicking in my personal opinion.

Sleaz274 11:22 am 15 Apr 11

Well to return to topic the problem with the public arts scheme was the 1% flat rate of capital spending. What politicians forget is the power of percentages when dealing with very large numbers. When you embark on several years of record breaking capital works spending (upwards of $1 billion) and you’ve allocated 1% for public art suddenly you find a huge amount available for splashing around on art projects and as public servants tend to do when the wheels are in motion so the spending begins…

This is why is was quietly and artfully dropped a couple of years ago. pun intended.

Personally I think big business should be asked to pay for it. “Hi Westpac/Canberra Centre/Westfield/Woolworths/Coles you want to operate in canberra well included in your property tax is a 1% levy for public art works. Oh that will change your $6.2 billion dolllar profit to a $6.195 billion dollar profit, my heart weeps.”

colourful sydney racing identity 10:06 am 15 Apr 11

chewy14 said :

CSRI has the best Christmas parties, although they’re not allowed to be called Christmas parties because we wouldn’t want to offend others of different or no denomination.

He has the biggest Christmas tree decked out to the nines with sparkly goodies, it’s just a shame after spending all that money on it he couldn’t afford to unblock the toilet and fix the leaky roof.

Go back and read PB’s post. I am the one who ‘ignore(s) what was..written, make(s) up stuff which (hasn’t) been said, then post(s) it here as if quoting’.

And also, the leaking roof feeds directly into the cistern so there is no need to waste money that could be spent on seasonal decorations + is a great environmental initiative.

chewy14 9:46 am 15 Apr 11

CSRI has the best Christmas parties, although they’re not allowed to be called Christmas parties because we wouldn’t want to offend others of different or no denomination.

He has the biggest Christmas tree decked out to the nines with sparkly goodies, it’s just a shame after spending all that money on it he couldn’t afford to unblock the toilet and fix the leaky roof.

colourful sydney racing identity 9:34 am 15 Apr 11

The_Bulldog said :

I’m sure CSRI would have some cracking parties – provided you only smoked in designated areas where it did not bother or harm anyone. .

Not sure how you arrived at this but, I can only assume that you think it would be a good idea for people to smoke in areas where it bothered or harmed people. Interesting world view.

Jim Jones 9:13 am 15 Apr 11

Wraith said :

Pommy bastard said :

Mysteryman said :

Do you get what we’re trying to say, or are you intentionally missing the point?

I must object! Jim and CSRI NEVER intentionally miss the point.

They’d have to get it first.. 🙂

It’s their modus opperandi here. They ignore what you have written, make up stuff which you haven’t said, then post it here as if quoting you.

(In the real world this is also known as “lying”.)

Seconded.

I also agree with Pommy Bastard’s assertion that everyone who disagrees with him is a despicable liar!

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