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A Labor argument against gay marriage

By johnboy 13 November 2013 48

Robin Saville has asked to put his point of view on gay marriage so here it is, his bio follows:

The Social Revolution (in the West). An upside-down world.

Those who support the marriage of same gender couples have powerful words on their side:

FAIRNESS EQUALITY LOVE

They have linked their struggle with the struggles against race discrimination and female suffrage and equality. Their wagon is painted the same colour as these others.

They have strong arguments:

IT HURTS NO ONE LEAVE US ALONE

Of course, we all fear to be labelled busybodies or, worse, persecutors.

Their position is bolstered by portrayals of homosexuals in the media such as Modern Family and other youth oriented media of loving, well-adjusted citizens of the community who work hard, volunteer, pay taxes and are good neighbours.

I do not deny that these portrayals represent real people in our community.

There is also the argument put forward by Christian defenders of the rights of homosexuals to counter the Book of Leviticus and other Judeo-Christian religious-based objections that:

God made us and God loves us.

As a Christian man, again, I do not deny this argument. I maintain He does love all of us.

It looks as though I am losing the argument.

But I cannot be persuaded that romantic love between those of same genders can be accepted and should be recognised in law through marriage.

I deny it.

My objection to marriage between same gender couples is based on a belief that there is a fundamental misalignment – not in society but in individuals. This misalignment is in those people who – do not believe they are homosexual, but – ARE homosexual. They are made this way- by their Creator or by Nature- however you interpret the world. I accept this. I accept they are homosexual and are attracted to others of their gender. No stamping of feet will deny this reality. But they are misaligned. Mismade. Not in balance.

I accept who they are. I accept they are my equal. I accept they are good people. I accept they are people.

But I deny that there should be this new place in our community. It is taking the ‘Rights Bus’ to a new and alien and inherently wrong destination.

I deny that the advocates for same gender marriage should have a right that contravenes societal norms, religion, tradition, biology and common sense.

May I use a word that may, but should not, discomfort you? The issue is fundamental.

I will use another word if it helps to convey my meaning: basic, essential, cardinal, intrinsic or integral.

A man marrying a man is, was and will always be wrong.
A woman marrying a woman is, was and will always be wrong.

There is no shade of grey in this.
I am sorry. I will not change.
I am sorry. I cannot change.

I close by writing that I am motivated by care and compassion to my fellow men and women – but not to those things that are beyond the fundamental.

I will not live in an upside-down world.

Bio:

41 years old. Married with 3 children. Lives in Goulburn. Elected to Council in 2012. Former ALP candidate for the Federal seat of Hume in 2010.

Works in Canberra. Former teacher.

What’s Your opinion?


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Postalgeek 11:07 am 26 Nov 13

thebrownstreak69 said :

vulpior said :

c_c™ said :

When Canberra was foundered, over 95% of the population was Christian, that’s now well below 60%.

Remember, too, that there are many Christians who don’t agree with the line being peddled by their leaders and the so-called Australian Christian Lobby. The Quakers as a denomination, while small, are gay-positive; the Uniting Church encompasses a variety of views; many Anglicans, especially in the more liberal/catholic churches, are pro-LGBT; and surveys have shown that Catholics by no means agree with official teaching on sexuality, contraception or abortion.

It’s much easier to lump everyone together, though, You know, like how gays all love sequins.

True. Marrying two wrongs won’t make a little right.

thebrownstreak69 9:46 am 26 Nov 13

vulpior said :

c_c™ said :

When Canberra was foundered, over 95% of the population was Christian, that’s now well below 60%.

Remember, too, that there are many Christians who don’t agree with the line being peddled by their leaders and the so-called Australian Christian Lobby. The Quakers as a denomination, while small, are gay-positive; the Uniting Church encompasses a variety of views; many Anglicans, especially in the more liberal/catholic churches, are pro-LGBT; and surveys have shown that Catholics by no means agree with official teaching on sexuality, contraception or abortion.

It’s much easier to lump everyone together, though, You know, like how gays all love sequins.

vulpior 9:14 am 26 Nov 13

c_c™ said :

When Canberra was foundered, over 95% of the population was Christian, that’s now well below 60%.

Remember, too, that there are many Christians who don’t agree with the line being peddled by their leaders and the so-called Australian Christian Lobby. The Quakers as a denomination, while small, are gay-positive; the Uniting Church encompasses a variety of views; many Anglicans, especially in the more liberal/catholic churches, are pro-LGBT; and surveys have shown that Catholics by no means agree with official teaching on sexuality, contraception or abortion.

thebrownstreak69 8:56 am 26 Nov 13

Thumper said :

But, but, but… Abbott hates gayz…..

Seriously. Write to Abbott, as I have, and put forward a strong, legitimate, measured argument as to why gay marriage should be allowed.

Forget the ACT government and their political point scoring, that is not the way. In fact, if anything Corbell’s strategy has simply got the feds backs up and is therefore unproductive and actually hurts the campaign.

A strong undercurrent of public opinion is the way to change this. Not cheap political opportunism…

Are you kidding? Why would one want to do that when one can get on the interwebz and complain about crazy conservative government who one didn’t vote for, because the rest of Australia is wrong, just wrong, maaaaaaan…

voytek3 8:44 am 26 Nov 13

Anyone with an opinion either way on this non issue is a f****** idiot. Meaningless isn’t a strong enough word to describe marriage.

Thumper 8:16 pm 25 Nov 13

But, but, but… Abbott hates gayz…..

Seriously. Write to Abbott, as I have, and put forward a strong, legitimate, measured argument as to why gay marriage should be allowed.

Forget the ACT government and their political point scoring, that is not the way. In fact, if anything Corbell’s strategy has simply got the feds backs up and is therefore unproductive and actually hurts the campaign.

A strong undercurrent of public opinion is the way to change this. Not cheap political opportunism…

c_c™ 8:06 pm 25 Nov 13

When Canberra was foundered, over 95% of the population was Christian, that’s now well below 60%.
What gives Christianity the right to continue to exert this ridiculous and illogical influence on the laws and moral norma of our society? What gives Christian institutions, who have now been outed as supporting pedophilia and actively protecting those who engage in it, the moral licence to define what is right and wrong for all when they can’t even keep their own house in order?

Christian conceptions of marriage once made women the property of their husbands; completely subservient in the eyes of the law. They once forced women to stay in abusive of detrimental relationships.

My view on same-sex marriage is a legal one, it’s not rooted in morals or in a personal interest, but rather rationality.

There is no such rationality in the OP’s words; it’s a faith based argument that by its very nature is the evidence of things not seen, that is supported only by belief not proof and can only be based on belief not proof.

And his words, so neatly capped off with ‘I will not live in an upside-down world’ is typically of the far conservatives and as foolhardy as when Edmund Burke watched the French Revolution take place and argued, change would mean the death of modern European civilisation.

LSWCHP 7:15 pm 25 Nov 13

Deref said :

LadyxBec said :

I think the most insulting bit about this is the headline. It’s not a Labor argument, it’s a deranged Christian argument.

It’s not an argument at all. It’s begging the question.

I’m utterly thrilled to discover that at least one other person in Canberra understands that “begging the question” doesn’t mean “asking the question”. Thanks Deref, I can now die a happy man. 🙂

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