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A Labor argument against gay marriage

By johnboy - 13 November 2013 48

Robin Saville has asked to put his point of view on gay marriage so here it is, his bio follows:

The Social Revolution (in the West). An upside-down world.

Those who support the marriage of same gender couples have powerful words on their side:

FAIRNESS EQUALITY LOVE

They have linked their struggle with the struggles against race discrimination and female suffrage and equality. Their wagon is painted the same colour as these others.

They have strong arguments:

IT HURTS NO ONE LEAVE US ALONE

Of course, we all fear to be labelled busybodies or, worse, persecutors.

Their position is bolstered by portrayals of homosexuals in the media such as Modern Family and other youth oriented media of loving, well-adjusted citizens of the community who work hard, volunteer, pay taxes and are good neighbours.

I do not deny that these portrayals represent real people in our community.

There is also the argument put forward by Christian defenders of the rights of homosexuals to counter the Book of Leviticus and other Judeo-Christian religious-based objections that:

God made us and God loves us.

As a Christian man, again, I do not deny this argument. I maintain He does love all of us.

It looks as though I am losing the argument.

But I cannot be persuaded that romantic love between those of same genders can be accepted and should be recognised in law through marriage.

I deny it.

My objection to marriage between same gender couples is based on a belief that there is a fundamental misalignment – not in society but in individuals. This misalignment is in those people who – do not believe they are homosexual, but – ARE homosexual. They are made this way- by their Creator or by Nature- however you interpret the world. I accept this. I accept they are homosexual and are attracted to others of their gender. No stamping of feet will deny this reality. But they are misaligned. Mismade. Not in balance.

I accept who they are. I accept they are my equal. I accept they are good people. I accept they are people.

But I deny that there should be this new place in our community. It is taking the ‘Rights Bus’ to a new and alien and inherently wrong destination.

I deny that the advocates for same gender marriage should have a right that contravenes societal norms, religion, tradition, biology and common sense.

May I use a word that may, but should not, discomfort you? The issue is fundamental.

I will use another word if it helps to convey my meaning: basic, essential, cardinal, intrinsic or integral.

A man marrying a man is, was and will always be wrong.
A woman marrying a woman is, was and will always be wrong.

There is no shade of grey in this.
I am sorry. I will not change.
I am sorry. I cannot change.

I close by writing that I am motivated by care and compassion to my fellow men and women – but not to those things that are beyond the fundamental.

I will not live in an upside-down world.

Bio:

41 years old. Married with 3 children. Lives in Goulburn. Elected to Council in 2012. Former ALP candidate for the Federal seat of Hume in 2010.

Works in Canberra. Former teacher.

What’s Your opinion?


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48 Responses to
A Labor argument against gay marriage
Jim Jones 2:12 pm 13 Nov 13

Robertson said :

Skidbladnir said :

But how an argument that boils down to “Wrong thing is wrong” counts as fit to print, I don’t understand…

I guess because that puts it at least at the level of the so-called arguments being raised in favour of changing marriage to allow homosexual marriage.

HAHA … HILARIOUS!!!

Robertson 2:08 pm 13 Nov 13

Skidbladnir said :

But how an argument that boils down to “Wrong thing is wrong” counts as fit to print, I don’t understand…

I guess because that puts it at least at the level of the so-called arguments being raised in favour of changing marriage to allow homosexual marriage.

Skidbladnir 1:44 pm 13 Nov 13

Small point:
Robin is male.

But how an argument that boils down to “Wrong thing is wrong” counts as fit to print, I don’t understand…

amarooresident3 1:40 pm 13 Nov 13

Robin is a he. And wrong.

SheepGroper 1:17 pm 13 Nov 13

astrojax said :

sex sex sex, that’s all you young people think about…

And some over 40s, obviously.

Thumper 1:15 pm 13 Nov 13

I don’t like it so it’s wrong?

I’m convinced…

Holden Caulfield 12:56 pm 13 Nov 13

Robin went to the trouble of composing almost 500 words and forgot to include a rational argument to support her view. I’m guessing she didn’t win the school debating comp.

Good on you JB for running this. Although, I’m sure you quickly worked out Robin’s words actually form a better argument for marriage equality than against it.

“I will not live in an upside-down world.”

On the positive side, at least we know she understands the world isn’t flat.

spinact 12:46 pm 13 Nov 13

Is that a suicide note?

Aneillius 12:44 pm 13 Nov 13

There’s definitely a fundamental misalignment here, right next to Robins mental misalignment.. I think it’s tragic that she could have taught our peers and people like her should have to apply and be approved to procreate. It’s a shame that we’re going to have to wait another generation thanks to “teachers” like that before we grow as a nation.

Erg0 12:33 pm 13 Nov 13

CrocodileGandhi said :

Not quite sure I’m following the argument. But it appears to be along the lines of “It is wrong because it is wrong”.

That’s pretty much what I got out of it, once I sorted through all the parenthetical guff.

CrocodileGandhi 12:28 pm 13 Nov 13

“I deny that the advocates for same gender marriage should have a right that contravenes societal norms, religion, tradition, biology and common sense.”

Let’s look at these one at a time.

Societal Norms – Yeah, like the long held societal norm that women shouldn’t vote or that black people are less than human?

Religion – Noting your reference to Leviticus, please point me to the Australian law which prohibits me from cross-fertilising seeds, touching the skin of a pig, wearing polyester, or working on Sundays. If you’re going to refer to Leviticus to support your argument, you shouldn’t be advocating against gay marriage, you should be advocating for the execution of gay people.

Tradition – Ah yes, tradition. The final bastion of the person who has lost an argument. “Well, I’ve certainly no good reason to defend this, but it’s always been done this way, so there!”. Besides, we know that the most common form of marriage in many cultures used to be a man and many women. Something that was confirmed by ABC Fact Check.

Biology – if biology is a main concern, we should be doing away with marriages or anything which promotes monogamy. The best course of action would be for men to inseminate as many women as possible and for women to disregard factors such as love and respect in favour of mating with the most fit men.

Common Sense – it seems to me that the most common sense approach is to allow those things which bring obvious benefits to individuals whilst not materially affecting anyone else. Gay marriage fits this definition perfectly.

astrojax 12:10 pm 13 Nov 13

sex sex sex, that’s all you young people think about…

p1 12:09 pm 13 Nov 13

“But I cannot be persuaded that romantic love between those of same genders can be accepted….”

Are you saying that no matter what I say, you can’t be persuaded that I accept the romantic love of people of the same gender? ‘Cause I do you know. I’ve seen same sex couple who are romantically in love. Some times they even kiss. That’s not really my thing (unless both chicks are hot), but you know, I still accept it. I’ll sign a stat dec is it will help you believe me.

Solidarity 11:57 am 13 Nov 13

Yep don’t see any solid reasoning there at all.

Then again I don’t know why anybody would want to get married anyway, regardless of sexual orientation

Eh.

CrocodileGandhi 11:52 am 13 Nov 13

Not quite sure I’m following the argument. But it appears to be along the lines of “It is wrong because it is wrong”.

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