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Abortion hating doctors to flee Calvary?

By johnboy - 27 April 2009 43

Fundamentally the current arrangements at Calvary Hospital are insane. The ACT taxpayer should not be building an expanded hospital which has to be governed by the religious teaching of any one faith.

So having resolved the question as to whether the Government should be buying Calvary Hospital in the affirmative, everything else is detail.

But that hasn’t stopped a Catholic tide of PR ferreting raising all manner of “problems” beyond the wit of man to solve. I imagine the Catholics of Canberra have quite enjoyed being able to impose their views on the community so far, but all things come to an end.

The latest to get a run in the Canberra Times is the terrible fear that the obstetricians will all flee in terror and revulsion should abortions be performed anywhere in their vicinity.

a) It will be a very small number who go through with it and resign?
b) We won’t be able to hire more who otherwise might prefer to practice real medicine and not the sawn down Catholic variety?

What’s Your opinion?


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Abortion hating doctors to flee Calvary?
Igglepiggle 2:17 pm 27 Apr 09

I have to say GSG that your comments could have been mine completely. I would also add that those VMOs who currently provide O&G services at Clavary almost all have visiting rights at TCH where those aspects of care which are unfortunately but occasionally neccessary as part of O&G practice (eg terminations) are performe, often by those same practitioners. There are only a very small proportion of practitioners in gthe ACT who hold pwrsonal moral/ethical/religious objections to this party of the job, and they all know where to refer those pateints of theirs who are in need. My guess will be that the sum total of resignations over this issue will be nil, and that those pratitioners who currently offer this service will continue to do so , and those who don’t, won’t. The big winners will be the women of Canberra who currently make a choice as to where to receive their health care only to have that option removed from them when the care they need is inaccessible in their institution of choice due to religious reasons.

And the number fo staff who work at both institutions is large, and secondments are a common part of the employment policy of ACT health.

gun street girl 1:14 pm 27 Apr 09

daddy said :

GSG, a lot of the reason that Calvary is good IS actually due to the fact that the management are good. Those at the coal face are quality, dedicated people at both locations. Therefore, the difference is the management.

Actually, a lot of that staff is one and the same. I have worked at both institutions, but only as an employee of ACT Health. TCH seconds a significant amount of staff across to Calvary. My impressions of Calvary as a hospital is that it was a lot friendlier, but that is in keeping with it being a much smaller hospital – small hospitals tend to have that feel about them, wherever you go. TCH is without a doubt more disorganised and far more beset with administrative problems, but again, it’s a heck of a lot bigger, and offers a greater diversity of services, so this naturally leads to more significant politics and bureaucratic nonsense. I am in no way saying that TCH is well run (far from it), but conversely, I don’t think Calvary is an analgous comparator, nor do I believe the LCM is without its share of problems as a management entity.

daddy 1:08 pm 27 Apr 09

GSG, a lot of the reason that Calvary is good IS actually due to the fact that the management are good. Those at the coal face are quality, dedicated people at both locations. Therefore, the difference is the management.

Ant, I thought Calvary was being paid to provide a service, not being propped up by government.

The LCM do run fully private hospitals in other regions (my sister is associated with Calvary in Wagga) and they are spectacular.

ant 1:05 pm 27 Apr 09

Exactly, and they are good hospitals. So good luck to them building and running another private hospital where they can do what they like, and refuse to do what tehy like. Having no non=religious hospital on the northside was not a desirable situation.

gun street girl 1:01 pm 27 Apr 09

Let the LCM run a fully private hospital

They already do: they own Lydia Perin and the John James Hospital.

ant 12:57 pm 27 Apr 09

Well said, Gun Street Girl. Cogent stuff. The catholics can run good hospitals and I support their doing so, but for the government to prop up a facility that denies certain medical procedures to patients, based on religous rules is against what we in our secular state expect.

Let the LCM run a fully private hospital, i’m sure it will be a good hospital, but if they must impose their religious laws on patients, let there be a non-religious alternative for people.

gun street girl 12:53 pm 27 Apr 09

I think it’s important to point out that a lot of the reason that Calvary is “good” is due to the efforts and skills of those who work there, rather than the management per se. Similarly, for all its administrative and logistical shambles, TCH is a “good” hospital, because by and large, the people who work at the coal face are good at what they do. I doubt any “essential services” will be lost if the LCM ceased to manage Calvary – certainly, they may be distributed differently, but we’re hardly in peril of losing anything.

S4anta 12:49 pm 27 Apr 09

Ian said :

Calvary is a good hospital. While I think their refusal to carry out abortions and related procedures is an imposition of Catholic values on the rest of the community, I’m not convinced that screwing up the quality of the hospital by putting it under the control of Katy and her minions is worth it for the sake of ideological purity.

Agreed. All the Catholic bashing has yet again managed to dilute thos fact that some essential services (after the fact of abortion etc) may be lost and there seems to be very little being done to stem a potential loss of vital services.

Ian 12:21 pm 27 Apr 09

Calvary is a good hospital. While I think their refusal to carry out abortions and related procedures is an imposition of Catholic values on the rest of the community, I’m not convinced that screwing up the quality of the hospital by putting it under the control of Katy and her minions is worth it for the sake of ideological purity.

gun street girl 12:19 pm 27 Apr 09

Have just read the article in full. I’d be interested to hear the names of the “many” O&G specialists that Foote claims are morally against abortion, if only for being completely transparent, allowing the public to be aware of potential objections their clinician may have, and select services accordingly. I am also dubious as to whether he speaks officially on behalf of a group,or merely on behalf of himself. Whilst I am not against the idea of clinicians having the right to refuse to perform a procedure to which they have personal or moral objections, I do object to doctors not being totally upfront about where they stand. Certainly, one’s moral stance should not be used as a tool to manipulate public policy.

I was also interested to read that the LCM intends to build a new private hospital on a site near the existing Calvary hospital, should the latter be purchased and taken over by ACT Health. I will be more interested to see how this new private hospital will run without the benefit of being able to skim services off the public, as it does at present.

Pommy bastard 11:23 am 27 Apr 09

Agreed. One of the most shocking things I’ve found since my arriving, green an naive, in Aus, is the size and influence of the cathlolic church here. It’s an organisation I find contemptible and vile.

I-filed 11:14 am 27 Apr 09

We need much more separation between church and state throughout Australia. INcluding religion-based education. Why are we paying for Catholic schools? France doesn’t. America doesn’t. Britain doesn’t.

RandomGit 10:56 am 27 Apr 09

*applause*

gun street girl 10:48 am 27 Apr 09

I’m yet to read the whole article (will comment accordingly once I have), but I must say, I’ve been utterly disgusted by the way Little Company of Mary Healthcare has put its hand out for public funding, whilst simultaneously refusing to administer LEGAL medical interventions and procedures (particularly in view of the significantly large elective surgery, O&G and urology casemixes seen at Calvary, plus Lidia Perin, which is also run by the LCM). The sooner this hypocrisy is brought to an end, the better.

Ari 10:43 am 27 Apr 09

feel Calvary?

Ummm …flee perhaps?

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