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If you are passionate about human rights and have limited time or if you are simply looking to get involved, come and join us for some tea, coffee and letter writing.

This group will draft and sign letters to support Amnesty international’s campaigns and give you a chance to make a real difference in the lives of people at risk of torture, discrimination, imprisonment or death.

When: Drop by any time between 5–6 pm Wednesday, 2nd of April 2014

Where: Amnesty International Canberra action centre Lower Ground Floor, 33-35 Ainslie Place, Canberra City ACT 2600


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dungfungus 1:47 pm 03 Apr 14

Walker said :

dungfungus said :

someone said :

dungfungus said :

I am not interested in why ASIO have given her an adverse security assessment. I am OK with ASIO’s judgement and so should every Australian be.
Some people bring their children up to be suicide bombers so why take risks?
I think any act of terrorism is a violation of the victims human rights no matter where the act takes place. If there is potential for this happening in Australia then there is a contingecy that Australians’ human rights may be threatened.
You should be reminded that ASIO were able to foil an attempt of terrorsim at an Australian army base by Muslim refugees from Somalia who were members of the al Shabbab terrorist group.

The woman in question is a Tamil from Sri Lanka.

She, and her Australian citizen husband, are Hindu.

The likelihood she’d be raising her child to be an Islamic terrorist is absurd.

I see you don’t really care what ASIO says, you’re just willing to accept it.

Taking that to its logical conclusion, shall we?

I reckon we don’t need a criminal justice system, all Australian’s should just trust the police, and we don’t need to know why they think someone is guilty.
we don’t need why particular building decisions are made, all Australian’s should just trust the planning authorities.
we don’t need to know on what went on with the installation batt thing, we should just trust the authorities that it was a good idea and didn’t cause any problems.

There shouldn’t be a special category of “we can’t possibly let the courts consider” of government action.

I’m not saying – let’s go all out and have security clearances publicly announced, but heck – the system is set up so the courts keep check on the government on our behalf. there must be a role for review of these clearances. You might be willing to blindly trust government, or whatever part of government is acting a way you agree with right now, but that way the authoritarian state leads.

that’s not good for any of us.

On the human rights thing – the woman’s daughter IS an Australian citizen.

Her rights are being infringed on with this absurd situation. When weighing up the actual manifest rights of an Australian citizen child, against the ephemeral possibility of some other, as-yet-unmanifest violation in the future – why does something that you’re imagining win?

you don’t know why she was locked up, just that’s she’s regarded as a security risk. You have no idea what the risk the woman actually poses, or how great a risk it is, but you’re willing to trample of the rights of Australian Citizens because you’ve got a theory.

I dunno dude.

that seems a litte… hypocritical.

The Tamils carried out numerous suicide bomb attacks as well.

When you say “tamils also carried out suicide bombings” what do you seek to imply with that? It seems to say “tamils = terrorist, can’t be trusted and nothing else matters.” Is this what you mean?

“The woman in question is a Tamil from Sri Lanka.

She, and her Australian citizen husband, are Hindu.

The likelihood she’d be raising her child to be an Islamic terrorist is absurd.”

Someone posted the above infering the absurdity of the Sri Lankin woman raising her child to be an Islamic terrorist. While it is ridiculous to suggest a Hindu would become a Muslim it is probable that groups and members of those groups who currently use suicide bombers as a tool of terrorism could raise their children to do the same. Indeed, in a recent Ross Kemp documentary he interviews young Palestinian children who are looking forward to becoming martyrs by killing Jews.
People who doubt what I am saying should understand that suicide bombing is normal behaviour to some people and it doesn’t matter to them that we may find it repugnant.

Storm 8:06 am 02 Apr 14

dungfungus said :

The Tamils carried out numerous suicide bomb attacks as well.

+1.
Majority of Tamils support “Tamil tigers”-it is prescribed terrorist organisation. But many here are too stupid to understand.

dungfungus 6:43 am 02 Apr 14

dungfungus said :

someone said :

dungfungus said :

I am not interested in why ASIO have given her an adverse security assessment. I am OK with ASIO’s judgement and so should every Australian be.
Some people bring their children up to be suicide bombers so why take risks?
I think any act of terrorism is a violation of the victims human rights no matter where the act takes place. If there is potential for this happening in Australia then there is a contingecy that Australians’ human rights may be threatened.
You should be reminded that ASIO were able to foil an attempt of terrorsim at an Australian army base by Muslim refugees from Somalia who were members of the al Shabbab terrorist group.

The woman in question is a Tamil from Sri Lanka.

She, and her Australian citizen husband, are Hindu.

The likelihood she’d be raising her child to be an Islamic terrorist is absurd.

I see you don’t really care what ASIO says, you’re just willing to accept it.

Taking that to its logical conclusion, shall we?

I reckon we don’t need a criminal justice system, all Australian’s should just trust the police, and we don’t need to know why they think someone is guilty.
we don’t need why particular building decisions are made, all Australian’s should just trust the planning authorities.
we don’t need to know on what went on with the installation batt thing, we should just trust the authorities that it was a good idea and didn’t cause any problems.

There shouldn’t be a special category of “we can’t possibly let the courts consider” of government action.

I’m not saying – let’s go all out and have security clearances publicly announced, but heck – the system is set up so the courts keep check on the government on our behalf. there must be a role for review of these clearances. You might be willing to blindly trust government, or whatever part of government is acting a way you agree with right now, but that way the authoritarian state leads.

that’s not good for any of us.

On the human rights thing – the woman’s daughter IS an Australian citizen.

Her rights are being infringed on with this absurd situation. When weighing up the actual manifest rights of an Australian citizen child, against the ephemeral possibility of some other, as-yet-unmanifest violation in the future – why does something that you’re imagining win?

you don’t know why she was locked up, just that’s she’s regarded as a security risk. You have no idea what the risk the woman actually poses, or how great a risk it is, but you’re willing to trample of the rights of Australian Citizens because you’ve got a theory.

I dunno dude.

that seems a litte… hypocritical.

The Tamils carried out numerous suicide bomb attacks as well.

Surely you are aware tha the Indian Prime Minister Rajiv Gandhi was assasinated by an LTTE (Tamil) suicide bomber from Sri Lanka in Chennai, India in 1991?
I recall that the suicide bomber was female also.

Walker 2:28 am 02 Apr 14

dungfungus said :

someone said :

dungfungus said :

I am not interested in why ASIO have given her an adverse security assessment. I am OK with ASIO’s judgement and so should every Australian be.
Some people bring their children up to be suicide bombers so why take risks?
I think any act of terrorism is a violation of the victims human rights no matter where the act takes place. If there is potential for this happening in Australia then there is a contingecy that Australians’ human rights may be threatened.
You should be reminded that ASIO were able to foil an attempt of terrorsim at an Australian army base by Muslim refugees from Somalia who were members of the al Shabbab terrorist group.

The woman in question is a Tamil from Sri Lanka.

She, and her Australian citizen husband, are Hindu.

The likelihood she’d be raising her child to be an Islamic terrorist is absurd.

I see you don’t really care what ASIO says, you’re just willing to accept it.

Taking that to its logical conclusion, shall we?

I reckon we don’t need a criminal justice system, all Australian’s should just trust the police, and we don’t need to know why they think someone is guilty.
we don’t need why particular building decisions are made, all Australian’s should just trust the planning authorities.
we don’t need to know on what went on with the installation batt thing, we should just trust the authorities that it was a good idea and didn’t cause any problems.

There shouldn’t be a special category of “we can’t possibly let the courts consider” of government action.

I’m not saying – let’s go all out and have security clearances publicly announced, but heck – the system is set up so the courts keep check on the government on our behalf. there must be a role for review of these clearances. You might be willing to blindly trust government, or whatever part of government is acting a way you agree with right now, but that way the authoritarian state leads.

that’s not good for any of us.

On the human rights thing – the woman’s daughter IS an Australian citizen.

Her rights are being infringed on with this absurd situation. When weighing up the actual manifest rights of an Australian citizen child, against the ephemeral possibility of some other, as-yet-unmanifest violation in the future – why does something that you’re imagining win?

you don’t know why she was locked up, just that’s she’s regarded as a security risk. You have no idea what the risk the woman actually poses, or how great a risk it is, but you’re willing to trample of the rights of Australian Citizens because you’ve got a theory.

I dunno dude.

that seems a litte… hypocritical.

The Tamils carried out numerous suicide bomb attacks as well.

When you say “tamils also carried out suicide bombings” what do you seek to imply with that? It seems to say “tamils = terrorist, can’t be trusted and nothing else matters.” Is this what you mean?

dungfungus 2:07 pm 01 Apr 14

someone said :

dungfungus said :

I am not interested in why ASIO have given her an adverse security assessment. I am OK with ASIO’s judgement and so should every Australian be.
Some people bring their children up to be suicide bombers so why take risks?
I think any act of terrorism is a violation of the victims human rights no matter where the act takes place. If there is potential for this happening in Australia then there is a contingecy that Australians’ human rights may be threatened.
You should be reminded that ASIO were able to foil an attempt of terrorsim at an Australian army base by Muslim refugees from Somalia who were members of the al Shabbab terrorist group.

The woman in question is a Tamil from Sri Lanka.

She, and her Australian citizen husband, are Hindu.

The likelihood she’d be raising her child to be an Islamic terrorist is absurd.

I see you don’t really care what ASIO says, you’re just willing to accept it.

Taking that to its logical conclusion, shall we?

I reckon we don’t need a criminal justice system, all Australian’s should just trust the police, and we don’t need to know why they think someone is guilty.
we don’t need why particular building decisions are made, all Australian’s should just trust the planning authorities.
we don’t need to know on what went on with the installation batt thing, we should just trust the authorities that it was a good idea and didn’t cause any problems.

There shouldn’t be a special category of “we can’t possibly let the courts consider” of government action.

I’m not saying – let’s go all out and have security clearances publicly announced, but heck – the system is set up so the courts keep check on the government on our behalf. there must be a role for review of these clearances. You might be willing to blindly trust government, or whatever part of government is acting a way you agree with right now, but that way the authoritarian state leads.

that’s not good for any of us.

On the human rights thing – the woman’s daughter IS an Australian citizen.

Her rights are being infringed on with this absurd situation. When weighing up the actual manifest rights of an Australian citizen child, against the ephemeral possibility of some other, as-yet-unmanifest violation in the future – why does something that you’re imagining win?

you don’t know why she was locked up, just that’s she’s regarded as a security risk. You have no idea what the risk the woman actually poses, or how great a risk it is, but you’re willing to trample of the rights of Australian Citizens because you’ve got a theory.

I dunno dude.

that seems a litte… hypocritical.

The Tamils carried out numerous suicide bomb attacks as well.

NoImRight 1:59 pm 01 Apr 14

Storm said :

here’s another link: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/aug/21/al-jazeera-accused-pro-muslim-brotherhood-broadcas/

AJ had many more fake stories from other countries as well.

You should go back to being a proud caucasian. You were funnier, in a sad way, then. Now you just come across as sad with no funny.

Oh I know “thats not you” 😉

Storm 10:56 am 01 Apr 14

here’s another link: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/aug/21/al-jazeera-accused-pro-muslim-brotherhood-broadcas/

AJ had many more fake stories from other countries as well.

Storm 10:43 am 01 Apr 14

dungfungus said :

At Fyshwick, some people pay for corporal punishment to be inflicted.

How true, they swap commcars for taxi when going there.

Storm 10:41 am 01 Apr 14

bigfeet said :

No problem, here’s a couple to get you started:

1. All indigenous inhabitants : Address: c/- West Papua
2. All Gay People: Address: c/- Russia .

LMAO,
Gays get jail time in Russia? Really? You don’t even know the specifics of the Law introduced there, do you? I suggest that you speak to someone who does.

bigfeet said :

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Oh…and here are some specific ones as requested
Peter Greste- c/- Cairo Prison
Lou Xiaobo c/- State Prison China

Peter Greste… AJ Network is the one that often has its own “theatre productions”, such as
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=0b4_1375922321.

This is why he is awaiting trial.For similar “breaking news”. Nothing to see here. Law of a country he is in should be applied.
Amnesty is a very political, reminds me of a typical hooker. I pay-you play my game.

howeph 9:36 am 01 Apr 14

dungfungus said :

howeph said :

dungfungus said :

“……..people at risk of torture, discrimination, imprisonment or death”

Please supply names and addresses of two people in this category.

Ranjini and her baby boy c/o Villawood detention centre (plus another 50 others in the same situation).

http://migrationalliance.com.au/news/asio-says-no-to-immigration-visa-for-new-mother.html

Given ASIO’s ruling, I am comfortable with that…

So you agree there are people in this category. But you are “comfortable with that”. No more to be said.

dungfungus 9:32 am 01 Apr 14

Queen_of_the_Bun said :

dungfungus said :

Queen_of_the_Bun said :

dungfungus said :

bigfeet said :

dungfungus said :

bigfeet said :

dungfungus said :

“……..people at risk of torture, discrimination, imprisonment or death”

Please supply names and addresses of two people in this category.

No problem, here’s a couple to get you started:

1. All indigenous inhabitants : Address: c/- West Papua
2. All Gay People: Address: c/- Russia

There are hundreds more.

Oh, I see, it’s just like “thousands of climate scientists agree that we are doomed….” but we never actually get their names and addresses.
So, how is Amnesty able to help those 200 unamed gay people in Russia for example?

Surely you acknowledge that there are groups of people around the world who are persecuted for their ethnicity, race, religious beliefs, political beliefs or sexuality don’t you?

What is wrong with trying to assist them by lobbying governments and corporation, raising awareness, providing legal support etc?

I would have thought you would actively support them. If people aren’t persecuted at home they are less likely to want to come here and do whatever it is you fear so much.

Oh…and here are some specific ones as requested
Peter Greste- c/- Cairo Prison
Lou Xiaobo c/- State Prison China

“……..people at risk of torture, discrimination, imprisonment or death”

Yeah, Peter Greste, celebrity white journalist, who stupidly went to Cairo voluntarily certainly fills the bill to be rescued by Amnesty International.

This is one of your stupidest comments ever. Had you ever heard of Peter Greste before he was arrested? I doubt it, because he is a very well respected foreign correspondent and certainly not a “celebrity journalist”. I am leaving out your idiotic reference to him being white, although it surprises me because I thought you were all for the white man.

Peter Greste went to Egypt voluntarily, certainly. He was filling in for three weeks for a colleague at al-Jazeera who was taking leave over Christmas. Damn those infidel bastards at al-Jazeera. It was his misfortune to be arrested while there and he now faces a dismal future – and no evidence has yet been given in his case to show why he was arrested.

I cannot believe that you are so blinded by your feelings about Islam that you support the jailing of an innocent Australian by an Islamic regime that has just condemned 500 people to death for the crime of supporting the ousted president. I think you are very confused about Egyptian politics if you think the current regime is pro-Christian just because they got rid of the democratically election Muslim Brotherhood.

I went to university in Brisbane with Peter Greste. He went to the secular Indooroopilly High. All he was doing in Egypt was his job.

If he has become a “celebrity”, it is not by his choice. You, Sir Dungfungus, are a total tool by your choice.

He is described as “an English personality” on Wikipedia. Hardly an unknown journalist and certainly a celebrity now. He will probably be released thanks to the intervention of our Prime Minister and won’t that be causing some teeth gnashing with the left.
I’ll bet that within 12 months he has written a book about it which will be relentlessly promoted for free on BBC and ABC after he features on Australian Story and One on One ad nauseum.
I love being your favourite tool.

It took you two bites of the cherry to respond, showing your lack of comprehension skills.

My comment about al-Jazeera being infidels for giving their journalists Christmas holidays was satire, not a claim they were setting Peter Greste up. I apologise for making comments that are clearly beyond your comprehension skills.

Wikipedia at any time has a mass of incorrect information on it. Eg last week David Flint was the father of 14 illegitimate children, according to his Wikipedia entry.

Why should Amnesty try to help him? Because he is a political prisoner. That’s what Amnesty does. Why is he a political prisoner? Perhaps because he was attempting to show the oppression of the Christians in Egypt.

Please supply some information on how this Islamic Egyptian regime is better for the Copts than the Islamic regime that was overthrown.

And don’t flatter yourself that you are my favourite tool. I prefer useful tools.

You sound like a angry school teacher telling me I’ve been a bad boy. Your not my friend anymoe.

someone 8:37 pm 31 Mar 14

dungfungus said :

I am not interested in why ASIO have given her an adverse security assessment. I am OK with ASIO’s judgement and so should every Australian be.
Some people bring their children up to be suicide bombers so why take risks?
I think any act of terrorism is a violation of the victims human rights no matter where the act takes place. If there is potential for this happening in Australia then there is a contingecy that Australians’ human rights may be threatened.
You should be reminded that ASIO were able to foil an attempt of terrorsim at an Australian army base by Muslim refugees from Somalia who were members of the al Shabbab terrorist group.

The woman in question is a Tamil from Sri Lanka. She, and her Australian citizen husband, are Hindu. The likelihood she’d be raising her child to be an Islamic terrorist is absurd.

I see you don’t really care what ASIO says, you’re just willing to accept it. Taking that to its logical conclusion, shall we?

I reckon we don’t need a criminal justice system, all Australian’s should just trust the police, and we don’t need to know why they think someone is guilty.
we don’t need why particular building decisions are made, all Australian’s should just trust the planning authorities.
we don’t need to know on what went on with the installation batt thing, we should just trust the authorities that it was a good idea and didn’t cause any problems.

There shouldn’t be a special category of “we can’t possibly let the courts consider” of government action. I’m not saying – let’s go all out and have security clearances publicly announced, but heck – the system is set up so the courts keep check on the government on our behalf. there must be a role for review of these clearances. You might be willing to blindly trust government, or whatever part of government is acting a way you agree with right now, but that way the authoritarian state leads. that’s not good for any of us.

On the human rights thing – the woman’s daughter IS an Australian citizen. Her rights are being infringed on with this absurd situation. When weighing up the actual manifest rights of an Australian citizen child, against the ephemeral possibility of some other, as-yet-unmanifest violation in the future – why does something that you’re imagining win? you don’t know why she was locked up, just that’s she’s regarded as a security risk. You have no idea what the risk the woman actually poses, or how great a risk it is, but you’re willing to trample of the rights of Australian Citizens because you’ve got a theory. I dunno dude. that seems a litte… hypocritical.

dungfungus 2:20 pm 31 Mar 14

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

dungfungus said :

someone said :

dungfungus said :

Given ASIO’s ruling, I am comfortable with that.
Just because these people turn up in Australia with a presumption they will be welcomed and allowed to stay is not a human rights issue.
If there are risks identified by ASIO then the human rights of all Australian citizens is a priority.

Actually, it’s not just “a presumption”.

Australian law says that they can stay if they’re refugees.

Yes, it says subject to security clearance.

But let’s be clear.

Genuine asylum seekers, as we’re discussing here, aren’t turning up because they “presume” they can stay.

They’re turning up because *we stay they can stay*.

I mean, if we want to withdraw from the Refugee Convention and rewrite the Migration Act, then sure….

Given our laws say genuine refugees will be allowed to stay, heck.

Any presumption seems to be entirely reasonable, no?

reasonable, and grounded in Australian law.

I’m also confused how the human rights of any Australian citizen’s might be threatened – particularly given no one gets to see the ASIO reports.

You have no idea what the basis of her being refused clearance is.

I’m also profoundly confused how her child might threaten the human rights of all Australian citizens.

I am not interested in why ASIO have given her an adverse security assessment. I am OK with ASIO’s judgement and so should every Australian be.
Some people bring their children up to be suicide bombers so why take risks?
I think any act of terrorism is a violation of the victims human rights no matter where the act takes place. If there is potential for this happening in Australia then there is a contingecy that Australians’ human rights may be threatened.
You should be reminded that ASIO were able to foil an attempt of terrorsim at an Australian army base by Muslim refugees from Somalia who were members of the al Shabbab terrorist group.

You have a source for all that, right?

You appear incapable of searching for corroborating material on the internet so her is the article from the Sydney Morning Herald that should keep you entertained for a while:

Holsworthy pair ‘still of interest’
Natalie O’Brien
December 26, 2010

SMH

TERRORISM experts believe two men acquitted of planning an attack on the Holsworthy Army Barracks in Sydney are likely to be kept under covert surveillance.

Abdirahman Ahmed and Yacqub Khayre were found not guilty on Thursday of conspiring to plan a terrorist attack, while their co-accused Wissam Mahmoud Fattal, Saney Edow Aweys and Nayef El Sayed were convicted.

Melbourne’s Supreme Court was told the accused men’s target was the military and their plan was to enter the barracks armed with military weapons and kill as many soldiers as possible before they themselves were killed. But despite Mr Ahmed and Mr Khayre, both of Melbourne, being cleared of involvement in the plot, which included unsuccessful attempts to get a fatwa permitting an attack on the Australian military, the pair are likely to be closely watched.

Terrorism expert Clive Williams, from the Strategic and Defence Studies Centre at the Australian National University, said they would still be people of interest and that would attract a certain level of attention from authorities.

”I know the police are unhappy with the outcome,” Professor Williams said.

Carl Ungerer, National Security Program director at the Australian Strategic Policy Institute, said authorities were likely to keep the men under surveillance.

”The difficulty is what to do with them,” Dr Ungerer said. ”If the police felt they had evidence to prosecute they would still be persons of interest.

”That is a difficult thing in a democracy – it is a real ethical and moral question.”

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd 10:12 am 31 Mar 14

dungfungus said :

someone said :

dungfungus said :

Given ASIO’s ruling, I am comfortable with that.
Just because these people turn up in Australia with a presumption they will be welcomed and allowed to stay is not a human rights issue.
If there are risks identified by ASIO then the human rights of all Australian citizens is a priority.

Actually, it’s not just “a presumption”.

Australian law says that they can stay if they’re refugees.

Yes, it says subject to security clearance.

But let’s be clear.

Genuine asylum seekers, as we’re discussing here, aren’t turning up because they “presume” they can stay.

They’re turning up because *we stay they can stay*.

I mean, if we want to withdraw from the Refugee Convention and rewrite the Migration Act, then sure….

Given our laws say genuine refugees will be allowed to stay, heck.

Any presumption seems to be entirely reasonable, no?

reasonable, and grounded in Australian law.

I’m also confused how the human rights of any Australian citizen’s might be threatened – particularly given no one gets to see the ASIO reports.

You have no idea what the basis of her being refused clearance is.

I’m also profoundly confused how her child might threaten the human rights of all Australian citizens.

I am not interested in why ASIO have given her an adverse security assessment. I am OK with ASIO’s judgement and so should every Australian be.
Some people bring their children up to be suicide bombers so why take risks?
I think any act of terrorism is a violation of the victims human rights no matter where the act takes place. If there is potential for this happening in Australia then there is a contingecy that Australians’ human rights may be threatened.
You should be reminded that ASIO were able to foil an attempt of terrorsim at an Australian army base by Muslim refugees from Somalia who were members of the al Shabbab terrorist group.

You have a source for all that, right?

dungfungus 7:14 am 31 Mar 14

Aeek said :

Nylex_Clock said :

Mandela was inarguably a terrorist.

So was Begin http://terrorism.about.com/od/groupsleader1/p/MenachemBegin.htm

No one would dispute that.
Obama got a Nobel peace prize too (on speculation). How misjudged was that?

dungfungus 9:33 pm 30 Mar 14

someone said :

dungfungus said :

Given ASIO’s ruling, I am comfortable with that.
Just because these people turn up in Australia with a presumption they will be welcomed and allowed to stay is not a human rights issue.
If there are risks identified by ASIO then the human rights of all Australian citizens is a priority.

Actually, it’s not just “a presumption”.

Australian law says that they can stay if they’re refugees.

Yes, it says subject to security clearance.

But let’s be clear.

Genuine asylum seekers, as we’re discussing here, aren’t turning up because they “presume” they can stay.

They’re turning up because *we stay they can stay*.

I mean, if we want to withdraw from the Refugee Convention and rewrite the Migration Act, then sure….

Given our laws say genuine refugees will be allowed to stay, heck.

Any presumption seems to be entirely reasonable, no?

reasonable, and grounded in Australian law.

I’m also confused how the human rights of any Australian citizen’s might be threatened – particularly given no one gets to see the ASIO reports.

You have no idea what the basis of her being refused clearance is.

I’m also profoundly confused how her child might threaten the human rights of all Australian citizens.

I am not interested in why ASIO have given her an adverse security assessment. I am OK with ASIO’s judgement and so should every Australian be.
Some people bring their children up to be suicide bombers so why take risks?
I think any act of terrorism is a violation of the victims human rights no matter where the act takes place. If there is potential for this happening in Australia then there is a contingecy that Australians’ human rights may be threatened.
You should be reminded that ASIO were able to foil an attempt of terrorsim at an Australian army base by Muslim refugees from Somalia who were members of the al Shabbab terrorist group.

Aeek 9:10 pm 30 Mar 14

Nylex_Clock said :

Mandela was inarguably a terrorist.

So was Begin http://terrorism.about.com/od/groupsleader1/p/MenachemBegin.htm

Queen_of_the_Bun 2:47 pm 30 Mar 14

dungfungus said :

Queen_of_the_Bun said :

dungfungus said :

bigfeet said :

dungfungus said :

bigfeet said :

dungfungus said :

“……..people at risk of torture, discrimination, imprisonment or death”

Please supply names and addresses of two people in this category.

No problem, here’s a couple to get you started:

1. All indigenous inhabitants : Address: c/- West Papua
2. All Gay People: Address: c/- Russia

There are hundreds more.

Oh, I see, it’s just like “thousands of climate scientists agree that we are doomed….” but we never actually get their names and addresses.
So, how is Amnesty able to help those 200 unamed gay people in Russia for example?

Surely you acknowledge that there are groups of people around the world who are persecuted for their ethnicity, race, religious beliefs, political beliefs or sexuality don’t you?

What is wrong with trying to assist them by lobbying governments and corporation, raising awareness, providing legal support etc?

I would have thought you would actively support them. If people aren’t persecuted at home they are less likely to want to come here and do whatever it is you fear so much.

Oh…and here are some specific ones as requested
Peter Greste- c/- Cairo Prison
Lou Xiaobo c/- State Prison China

“……..people at risk of torture, discrimination, imprisonment or death”

Yeah, Peter Greste, celebrity white journalist, who stupidly went to Cairo voluntarily certainly fills the bill to be rescued by Amnesty International.

This is one of your stupidest comments ever. Had you ever heard of Peter Greste before he was arrested? I doubt it, because he is a very well respected foreign correspondent and certainly not a “celebrity journalist”. I am leaving out your idiotic reference to him being white, although it surprises me because I thought you were all for the white man.

Peter Greste went to Egypt voluntarily, certainly. He was filling in for three weeks for a colleague at al-Jazeera who was taking leave over Christmas. Damn those infidel bastards at al-Jazeera. It was his misfortune to be arrested while there and he now faces a dismal future – and no evidence has yet been given in his case to show why he was arrested.

I cannot believe that you are so blinded by your feelings about Islam that you support the jailing of an innocent Australian by an Islamic regime that has just condemned 500 people to death for the crime of supporting the ousted president. I think you are very confused about Egyptian politics if you think the current regime is pro-Christian just because they got rid of the democratically election Muslim Brotherhood.

I went to university in Brisbane with Peter Greste. He went to the secular Indooroopilly High. All he was doing in Egypt was his job.

If he has become a “celebrity”, it is not by his choice. You, Sir Dungfungus, are a total tool by your choice.

He is described as “an English personality” on Wikipedia. Hardly an unknown journalist and certainly a celebrity now. He will probably be released thanks to the intervention of our Prime Minister and won’t that be causing some teeth gnashing with the left.
I’ll bet that within 12 months he has written a book about it which will be relentlessly promoted for free on BBC and ABC after he features on Australian Story and One on One ad nauseum.
I love being your favourite tool.

It took you two bites of the cherry to respond, showing your lack of comprehension skills.

My comment about al-Jazeera being infidels for giving their journalists Christmas holidays was satire, not a claim they were setting Peter Greste up. I apologise for making comments that are clearly beyond your comprehension skills.

Wikipedia at any time has a mass of incorrect information on it. Eg last week David Flint was the father of 14 illegitimate children, according to his Wikipedia entry.

Why should Amnesty try to help him? Because he is a political prisoner. That’s what Amnesty does. Why is he a political prisoner? Perhaps because he was attempting to show the oppression of the Christians in Egypt.

Please supply some information on how this Islamic Egyptian regime is better for the Copts than the Islamic regime that was overthrown.

And don’t flatter yourself that you are my favourite tool. I prefer useful tools.

someone 12:33 pm 30 Mar 14

dungfungus said :

Given ASIO’s ruling, I am comfortable with that.
Just because these people turn up in Australia with a presumption they will be welcomed and allowed to stay is not a human rights issue.
If there are risks identified by ASIO then the human rights of all Australian citizens is a priority.

Actually, it’s not just “a presumption”.

Australian law says that they can stay if they’re refugees. Yes, it says subject to security clearance.

But let’s be clear.

Genuine asylum seekers, as we’re discussing here, aren’t turning up because they “presume” they can stay. They’re turning up because *we stay they can stay*. I mean, if we want to withdraw from the Refugee Convention and rewrite the Migration Act, then sure…. Given our laws say genuine refugees will be allowed to stay, heck. Any presumption seems to be entirely reasonable, no? reasonable, and grounded in Australian law.

I’m also confused how the human rights of any Australian citizen’s might be threatened – particularly given no one gets to see the ASIO reports. You have no idea what the basis of her being refused clearance is. I’m also profoundly confused how her child might threaten the human rights of all Australian citizens.

bigfeet 11:18 pm 29 Mar 14

Nylex_Clock said :

Mandela was inarguably a terrorist.

It’s easy to sit here thousands of kilometres away from the action and indulge in woolly-headed rose-tinted fantasies about how wonderful , say, Stalin is, but the reality is usually very different from the group-think that prevails among the leftist uni-academics who brainwash the undergraduates into elevating wishful-thinking above rational thought.

Mandela was fighting against an unjust and abhorrent system and whilst there is no evidence that he actually carried out an attack, it does not excuse the fact that he definitely planned or sanctioned attacks against ‘soft’ civilian targets such as railway stations and power plants. By any definition he was most definitely a terrorist.

But he also was punished for that with a lengthy period of hard imprisonment and came out with a different view. He could have gained power and sought vengeance, but he instead decided to try and heal his nation. His establishment of the Truth and Reconcilliation Commission in South Africa is an incredible example of that.

On your other point, I doubt you will find any ‘leftist’ who extols the virtues of Stalin.

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