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Anti Rock Bridges

By RiotPost 11 November 2009 40

I recall (but can’t find) that we ran a story about anti rock bridges being proposed for Canberra some time in the past, and now it looks like they are starting to act on the idea along Adelaide Ave at the bottom of Curtin. I’ve seen more being constructed over the GDE at the Aranda turn off. Have people noticed further locations?

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          Thoroughly Smashed 1:30 pm 19 Nov 09

          icantbelieveitsnotbutter said :

          You’re an idiot… really… I mean come on, wtf??? Everyone knows the worst roundabout in the world is on Constitution Ave & Kings Ave…

          I agree. That one was so bad they removed it and every trace of it, deleted all records of it, and then brainwashed everyone into believing it never existed.

          icantbelieveitsnotbutter 1:05 pm 17 Nov 09

          2600 said :

          First it was that stupid distracting windmill crap-art near the world’s most dangerous roundabout. Now it’s a friggin stupid ugly metal piece of crap on a bridge! Watch out Royal Australia Mint – your next!!

          And with the money spent on this… maybe that’s the reason why the Woden Skate Park doesn’t have lights unlike every single other park in Canberra. Totally nuts!

          Stanhope… you’ve got to go! Your priorities suck and you’ve deaf and blind to the people of Canberra.

          You’re an idiot… really… I mean come on, wtf??? Everyone knows the worst roundabout in the world is on Constitution Ave & Kings Ave…

          anonymous gungahlian 1:46 pm 13 Nov 09

          2600 said :

          And with the money spent on this… maybe that’s the reason why the Woden Skate Park doesn’t have lights unlike every single other park in Canberra. Totally nuts!

          Stanhope… you’ve got to go! Your priorities suck and you’ve deaf and blind to the people of Canberra.

          No man, you’ve got YOUR priorities stuck. It’s way more important to save someone’s life with anti-rock bridges from a gumby with serious problems than having lights at a Skate Park. If you want to have proper lighting in a skate park, go during the 14+ hours of sunlight we get; or alternitavely, go to another one of Canberra’s Skate Parks with lighting. Totally nuts!

          Zanzibert 6:17 pm 12 Nov 09

          Chop71 said :

          Maybe we can also have anti Kangaroo fences along Willaim Hovell Drive.
          Far more people hit roos than get hit by rocks.

          +1, and could you bung one along Hindmarsh drive while they’re at it?

          On the anti-rock bridgeworks, I actually think they look pretty good. Sharp, shiny, gleaming modern fortifications for the suburbs. Of course, they haven’t finished installing the wire panels yet, but I reckon they’re awesome structures right now.

          They’re like a series of steel sculptures that salute as you drive through them. Set them up by roads all over Canberra – this is public art, not architectural law-enforcement!

          sloppery 3:41 pm 12 Nov 09

          Just shoot the roos. Problem solved.

          Chop71 3:30 pm 12 Nov 09

          Maybe we can also have anti Kangaroo fences along Willaim Hovell Drive.
          Far more people hit roos than get hit by rocks.

          sloppery 3:19 pm 12 Nov 09

          2600 said :

          And with the money spent on this… maybe that’s the reason why the Woden Skate Park doesn’t have lights unlike every single other park in Canberra. Totally nuts!

          Stanhope… you’ve got to go! Your priorities suck and you’ve deaf and blind to the people of Canberra.

          A skate park without lights? What are our leaders smoking? Crazy, crazy stuff.

          miz 1:32 pm 12 Nov 09

          Hello, we ARE West of Sydney . . . . and there are plenty of ‘Westies’ here.

          2600 12:46 pm 12 Nov 09

          First it was that stupid distracting windmill crap-art near the world’s most dangerous roundabout. Now it’s a friggin stupid ugly metal piece of crap on a bridge! Watch out Royal Australia Mint – your next!!

          And with the money spent on this… maybe that’s the reason why the Woden Skate Park doesn’t have lights unlike every single other park in Canberra. Totally nuts!

          Stanhope… you’ve got to go! Your priorities suck and you’ve deaf and blind to the people of Canberra.

          Skidbladnir 11:59 am 12 Nov 09
          NSW Crimes Amendment (Rock Throwing) Bill 2008

          1) Introduced a specific offence of rock throwing into the Crimes Act, via the CRIMES AMENDMENT (ROCK THROWING) BILL 2008. (Section 49A of NSW Crimes Act covering it)
          2) Presumption against bail if charged with Section 49A.
          3) Set penalty for offense against Section 49A as 5 years imprisonment.
          4) Offence against 49A is triable summarily unless the prosecutor elects to have the matter prosecuted on indictment. It also provides for the maximum penalty for the offence when dealt with summarily.
          5) Increased the maximum penalty for recklessly causing grievous bodily harm from 7 to 10 years imprisonment, and 14 years for offences in company.

          The bridge-covers themselves are security theatre, in that they draw John Q. Public’s attention to one potential attack vector being closed off (so Mr Public feels safer), but doesn’t account for the fact that people so inclined will just change attack vectors as a response (security countermeasure easily defeated).

          Thumper 9:00 am 12 Nov 09

          Might as well put them in now as it won’t be long before some idiot decides it will be fun to drop a brick on a passing car.

          taninaus 7:05 am 12 Nov 09

          Sadly we need them to accommodate the stupid people with nothing better to do. But I think the Government has missed an opportunity to do some good public art (can’t believe I am saying that!) what they have put up looks horrible with these straight sharp verticle steel pieces and purely functional grill – I prefer the ones on the way to sydney with some pictures embedded in it for visual appeal as well.

          Sadly this will also mean the end of birthday wishes and marriage proposals hanging off the bridges – sad!

          Spideydog 9:41 pm 11 Nov 09

          Skidbladnir said :

          This is making drivers feel safer without actually making the community or drivers safer. Hence “security theatre”.

          A rock the size of mans fist (or a half-brick) is going to do significant damage to a windshield, no matter if it is dropped from a height of 5m, thrown 3m up first (which isn’t hard, try it in an open area) so then falls 8m, or is thrown at an angle towards the car while its moving.

          Its less the fact a rock is falling and accelerating at 9.8m^2 and more that the fist-sized rock or half-brick is impacting with windshields (and then your face) which are already moving 60-80kph.

          If someone is the ‘dropping a half-brick into traffic’ type, a higher fence or a expending slightly more energy to cause the desired chaos probably won’t stop all of them.
          Some will just become ‘throwing a half-brick over a barrier’ people instead.
          Its Finagle’s Law at work.

          You don’t seem to get it ….. these structures have been erected in NSW particularly in Sydney, but also elsewhere and they HAVE worked. Are you a glass half empty person?

          Without the screening, these “cretins” can actually aim with somewhat accuracy with these missiles. With the screening, they have to get in the right position, try and time the lob, throw object 3 meters or so up in the air and then hope 1. it gets over the barrier, 2. it hits what they are aiming at …… I think you will find it is too much effort with little outcome for them. They have worked elsewhere and there is no reason why not here.

          And back to the bridge v roadside argument ….. it is far easier and destructive to drop a concrete block from an overpass, than it is to try and throw one from the roadside.

          bd84 8:27 pm 11 Nov 09

          It is actually fairly common here. There have been numerous stories over the past few years of rocks being thrown from bridges, mostly at buses. It think the Carruthers St/ Adelaide Ave overpass has been used a couple of times. I’m also aware of objects thrown from the pedestrian bridges at Chisholm (Isabella Dr), O’Malley (Yamba Dr and Monash (Erindale Dr).. normally kids from the area – but generally not that widely reported in the media. I believe all of those locations are on the list to get safety screens.

          While it would be nice not to spend the money on them, it’s probably necessary before they do seriously injure or kill someone. The people who you should be whinging at are the parents who don’t supervise their little darlings who run around doing such things.

          I doubt they would be considered an eyesore either, the majority of the bridges aren’t exactly beautiful works of art..

          Skidbladnir 7:19 pm 11 Nov 09

          This is making drivers feel safer without actually making the community or drivers safer. Hence “security theatre”.

          A rock the size of mans fist (or a half-brick) is going to do significant damage to a windshield, no matter if it is dropped from a height of 5m, thrown 3m up first (which isn’t hard, try it in an open area) so then falls 8m, or is thrown at an angle towards the car while its moving.

          Its less the fact a rock is falling and accelerating at 9.8m^2 and more that the fist-sized rock or half-brick is impacting with windshields (and then your face) which are already moving 60-80kph.

          If someone is the ‘dropping a half-brick into traffic’ type, a higher fence or a expending slightly more energy to cause the desired chaos probably won’t stop all of them.
          Some will just become ‘throwing a half-brick over a barrier’ people instead.
          Its Finagle’s Law at work.

          RatsNest 7:07 pm 11 Nov 09

          Holden Caulfield said :

          Although, I can’t recall of any stories of rock throwing or other related incidents in recent times to support this.

          anonymous gungahlian said :

          Since when has it been a problem in Canberra? I can’t recall anything like this happening here.

          I’ve had a rock thrown at my car (late night from side of the road). Fortunately they missed me but it scared the crap out of me having a large fist sized rock bounce across the road in front of my car. This stuff happens, it just doesn’t get publicised much here.

          Anything that deters the little bastards that do this sort of stuff is a good thing.

          deezagood 6:25 pm 11 Nov 09

          Call me paranoid, but after the spate of rock-dropping in other cities, I must admit to feeling ever-so-slightly nervous driving under these foot-bridges when I could see groups of teenagers clustered above me … Of curse, nothing has ever happened to justify this concern and I know I am a victim to media-induced paranoia … , but I do think I’ll feel less anxious driving underneath bridges now. So, for this reason, and this reason only, I think the cages are a good thing. The one over Isabella Drive isn’t an eyesore at all.

          Spideydog 5:55 pm 11 Nov 09

          Skidbladnir said :

          This is a security thatre solution to give a perception of security, and appear to fix a specific problem, but not actually a solution to the general problem.
          (IE: A solution which has little real influence on the problemwhilst being publicly visible and designed to demonstrate to the lesser-informed that a countermeasure has been considered.)

          The specific problem has probably been phrased as “A potential exists for rocks to be thrown down into passing traffic from bridges and overpasses, putting property\human safety\lives at risk“.

          Potential (but amazingly shortsighted) proposal:
          Put higher fences along the bridges to prevent people from throwing rocks down at cars.

          Problems with proposal
          1) You can throw rocks up and over these things.
          2) People can still throw rocks\ballbearings\anything from the side of the road at traffic.

          So, to those daft people out there who think this is fixing a problems, how much are you willing to pay to have every road in you might drive on turned into a caged boulevarde, and would you then complain about the horrible views?

          That is absolutely ridiculous ….. I have already seen first hand that this has solved “one part” of the problem in another town. It doesn’t fix all the problem, but it DOES fix a significant (possibly fatal) part of the problem.

          Nobody is suggesting “caging” all roads, so it is a silly suggestion.

          anonymous gungahlian said :

          Since when has it been a problem in Canberra? I can’t recall anything like this happening here.

          Put it this way …. government would not be spending a heap of money on this unless there was significant reporting (not necessarily media reporting) of this behaviour ….. if it’s not a huge vote winner, it would suggest a major problem exists, if they chose to fix it ??

          Tooks 5:33 pm 11 Nov 09

          anonymous gungahlian said :

          Spideydog said :

          People need to know that rock throwing particularly at buses was a major problem here too and not just in “western Sydney”

          It amazes me that people are more concerned about “eye sores” than public safety ……..

          Since when has it been a problem in Canberra? I can’t recall anything like this happening here.

          There was a spate of them earlier this year and a couple recently.

          Comments 19 and 20 are spot on.

          Pommy bastard 5:00 pm 11 Nov 09

          I’ve got no problems with them, if they prevent one death they are worthwhile.

          The sort of retarded cowardly fuckwit who would do such a thing needs the advantage of a bridge as it helps them get away once they’ve had their “fun”.

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