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Antill street mess this morning.

By gumby34 - 30 August 2011 22

Which bright sparks idea was it to reduce Antill street to one lane to cross Northbourne ave during peak hour this morning.

The traffic was banked all the way back to the Phillip Avenue roundabout.

Took 45mins to get from roundabout to Lyneham.

You have to wonder when they issue temporary traffic arrangement that they are allowed to do this without managing the intersection.

It was a mess.

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Antill street mess this morning.
00davist 2:58 pm 30 Aug 11

Grail said :

00davist said :

agree that there are many people with alternatives, and that they need to be considered, however, if I’m reading what you are saying right, you want people to make adjustments for the road-works specifically.

I have no problem with this, but it comes back again to warning, if you are un aware they will be slowing it down, you wont find out till you get there, and then it’s to late, you are now in traffic.

It’s a construction site. To proceed on the assumption that it will not impact on traffic is foolhardy at the very least. The signs were up there for six months before construction started. Multi-storey construction implies earthworks, cranes and tonnes of concrete. I would have adjusted my daily commute from the first time there was any sign of construction work happening (which in this instance is when the fences went up at the beginning of demolitions.

But in relation to my comment – the entire city is going to become more congested once the GDE duplication is finished. Better roads means more people commuting by car. Where people used to car pool, they’ll start using their own cars. Build a better road, you get more traffic. It’s Boyle’s Law all over again.

Once these apartments are finished, do you think the traffic problem will get better or worse? Shortly after the apartments go in, there will be pressure to put traffic lights on that intersection between the existing traffic lights on Northbourne and the pedestrian crossing just before the creek. Then there will be more apartments being built as older blocks in North Canberra come up for sale, with more people trying to commute the 5km to work in Civic by car.

If you’re one of the “but I have to drop my kids at school” crowd, consider the options: perhaps your kids are old enough to ride to school by themselves, or catch a bus. My brother and I were riding to school with our own posse from about year 5. We had two boys next door, and the occasional extra. We rode to school from Higgins to Florey – for us at the time it was a 4-5km ride. Of course at the time we had no idea just how much freedom we had.

Later on we would ride 10km or catch the bus to high school (from Kambah to Pearce), the only duty our parents had to us was pushing us out the door at the appropriate time in the morning.

The situation is not going to get any better – there is only so much room for roads and car parks.

So perhaps my opinion reeks of “blame the victim”, but when you know that there is a major construction project happening on your usual route to work, it’s time to change your route to work or mode of transport before the traffic jams occur.

Grail, I’m not trying to argue with you here, I agree construction as such is something we can expect to cause disturbance, HOWEVER, i read above, that there were lanes closed.

They could have given a couple of days notice about the lane closeures at peak hour, as this gives people greater opportunity to be prepared, for exaple, while there may be many people as you say, who could find a more long term alternative, there will also be some that cant, but can still do so on a once off occasion.

so for some people who can not reguarly make alternative arrangments, advanced warning of peak hour lane closures would allow them to make alternative plans for that day. This is especially important to those with meeting etc.

One may adjust (as you suggest) when the fences go up, but they may only adjust 20 minutes, which seems adequate under normal construction delays, but a lane closure as the one above will require even more adjustments to be made on the specific delay, the delay mentioned i beleve was 45 minutes, thats quite an adjustment to make, just becase you see a construction fence.

As fot the dropping kids off argument, for those to who this applies (not me) definatly consider it, but PLEASE think carefully about what rout your kids will take, there are parts (many) of this city i consider dangerous to drive in for an army tank, let alone a child on a bike.

It’s something to consider, sure, but please dont kill your kids to prove a point!

Grail 2:06 pm 30 Aug 11

00davist said :

agree that there are many people with alternatives, and that they need to be considered, however, if I’m reading what you are saying right, you want people to make adjustments for the road-works specifically.

I have no problem with this, but it comes back again to warning, if you are un aware they will be slowing it down, you wont find out till you get there, and then it’s to late, you are now in traffic.

It’s a construction site. To proceed on the assumption that it will not impact on traffic is foolhardy at the very least. The signs were up there for six months before construction started. Multi-storey construction implies earthworks, cranes and tonnes of concrete. I would have adjusted my daily commute from the first time there was any sign of construction work happening (which in this instance is when the fences went up at the beginning of demolitions.

But in relation to my comment – the entire city is going to become more congested once the GDE duplication is finished. Better roads means more people commuting by car. Where people used to car pool, they’ll start using their own cars. Build a better road, you get more traffic. It’s Boyle’s Law all over again.

Once these apartments are finished, do you think the traffic problem will get better or worse? Shortly after the apartments go in, there will be pressure to put traffic lights on that intersection between the existing traffic lights on Northbourne and the pedestrian crossing just before the creek. Then there will be more apartments being built as older blocks in North Canberra come up for sale, with more people trying to commute the 5km to work in Civic by car.

If you’re one of the “but I have to drop my kids at school” crowd, consider the options: perhaps your kids are old enough to ride to school by themselves, or catch a bus. My brother and I were riding to school with our own posse from about year 5. We had two boys next door, and the occasional extra. We rode to school from Higgins to Florey – for us at the time it was a 4-5km ride. Of course at the time we had no idea just how much freedom we had.

Later on we would ride 10km or catch the bus to high school (from Kambah to Pearce), the only duty our parents had to us was pushing us out the door at the appropriate time in the morning.

The situation is not going to get any better – there is only so much room for roads and car parks.

So perhaps my opinion reeks of “blame the victim”, but when you know that there is a major construction project happening on your usual route to work, it’s time to change your route to work or mode of transport before the traffic jams occur.

gumby34 1:47 pm 30 Aug 11

My issue was the apparent lack of planning at a strategic intersection in Canberra. It didn’t appear to be well handled.

As to the argument ‘ride my bike’ – that is a throw away argument. There are plenty of people that can’t just walk or ride bikes.
I am an avid rider when I am allowed too (I even wear lycra!) but with a heart condition it is not always possible or advisable to put me on a bike. Many fall into this situation for numerous reasons and I am not complaining about that.

I just think traffic management at road works is not managed very well here in Canberra. We are not a big city and it seemed nuts to let meltdown happen just so they can lay concrete at a building site during peak hour. Just saying!

Me no fry 1:03 pm 30 Aug 11

00davist said :

Holden Caulfield said :

Any regular users of GDE or Glenloch want to pipe up and swap stories?

Umm, mate, it’s only 11.45, they’re still in traffic.

Yeah, don’t have a cow man. Or a baby, either.

00davist 12:44 pm 30 Aug 11

Grail said :

If you’d prefer the construction site to let their concrete trucks in at different hours, write to the construction site manager and TAMS.

In the meantime there are many options available to you in order to avoid the traffic jam: catch a bus, ride a bike, leave earlier or later, take a different route, car pool, or take (half) the day off.

If more people simply took the option of leaving earlier, the traffic jam wouldn’t build up in the first place.

Sure, you might have extenuating circumstances because you have to drive the kids to school (because they can’t ride 10km to school on their own), but it’s an issue that can be resolved by enough people who are able to do so but choose to drive a single-occupant car from home to the office and back each day.

Talking about the options with your friends can raise their awareness of the options, and thus get more people using those options.

This morning I caught the bus to work again: left home in Isabella Plains at about 8am, arrived at work at 8:50 after two transfers. Spent valuable time on the bus reading mail, news and a few novelty sites. Of course the bus is not a suitable environment for laptop work, but you can get a surprising amount done on a smartphone while sitting on a bus.

Thankyou for considering those of us who need to drive in your argument.

I agree that there are many people with alternatives, and that they need to be considered, however, if I’m reading what you are saying right, you want people to make adjustments for the road-works specifically.

I have no problem with this, but it comes back again to warning, if you are un aware they will be slowing it down, you wont find out till you get there, and then it’s to late, you are now in traffic.

The ACT has a real issue with signs around road work and costruction in general, and it’s very uncommon that wors such as this will have a good, clear sign up, just a few days before, to advise there will be peak hour disruptions at this point from X till Y.

00davist 12:37 pm 30 Aug 11

Watson said :

00davist said :

KB1971 said :

Ride your bike……..

I’m so sick of this “Because I do it, everyone should” attitude.

Not everyone can ride to work, so get over it, that is simply not the answer to all of life’s problems, you over-inflated, self righteous, little martyr.

This particular issue is a big one, For its size, Canberra has a huge amount of roadwork’s going on at any one time, and many of them concern major roads, there is often little or no effort to take into account traffic, especially around peak hour, not does there seem to be any rhyme or reason to the way signage is used around roadwork’s.

I understand allot of this work needs to be done, but why does it need to be so disorganised and poorly executed?

I’m pretty sure these weren’t roadworks though. I think it had to do with the construction site on the corner or Mouat St?

That’s a good point, becase interuptions from construction only add to the issue caused by roadworks and other traffic disruptions.

The fact is, doing somthing like this at peak our is a huge inconvenience, at the least a few doay of warning sinage (nice, big, notacable signs, maybe those flashing ones) would be considerate, but really, it should be seen as a last resort, and a last resort only, to cause such interference with peak hour traffic.

Grail 12:27 pm 30 Aug 11

If you’d prefer the construction site to let their concrete trucks in at different hours, write to the construction site manager and TAMS.

In the meantime there are many options available to you in order to avoid the traffic jam: catch a bus, ride a bike, leave earlier or later, take a different route, car pool, or take (half) the day off.

If more people simply took the option of leaving earlier, the traffic jam wouldn’t build up in the first place.

Sure, you might have extenuating circumstances because you have to drive the kids to school (because they can’t ride 10km to school on their own), but it’s an issue that can be resolved by enough people who are able to do so but choose to drive a single-occupant car from home to the office and back each day.

Talking about the options with your friends can raise their awareness of the options, and thus get more people using those options.

This morning I caught the bus to work again: left home in Isabella Plains at about 8am, arrived at work at 8:50 after two transfers. Spent valuable time on the bus reading mail, news and a few novelty sites. Of course the bus is not a suitable environment for laptop work, but you can get a surprising amount done on a smartphone while sitting on a bus.

Watson 12:03 pm 30 Aug 11

00davist said :

KB1971 said :

Ride your bike……..

I’m so sick of this “Because I do it, everyone should” attitude.

Not everyone can ride to work, so get over it, that is simply not the answer to all of life’s problems, you over-inflated, self righteous, little martyr.

This particular issue is a big one, For its size, Canberra has a huge amount of roadwork’s going on at any one time, and many of them concern major roads, there is often little or no effort to take into account traffic, especially around peak hour, not does there seem to be any rhyme or reason to the way signage is used around roadwork’s.

I understand allot of this work needs to be done, but why does it need to be so disorganised and poorly executed?

I’m pretty sure these weren’t roadworks though. I think it had to do with the construction site on the corner or Mouat St?

00davist 11:46 am 30 Aug 11

Holden Caulfield said :

Any regular users of GDE or Glenloch want to pipe up and swap stories?

Umm, mate, it’s only 11.45, they’re still in traffic.

00davist 11:44 am 30 Aug 11

KB1971 said :

Ride your bike……..

I’m so sick of this “Because I do it, everyone should” attitude.

Not everyone can ride to work, so get over it, that is simply not the answer to all of life’s problems, you over-inflated, self righteous, little martyr.

This particular issue is a big one, For its size, Canberra has a huge amount of roadwork’s going on at any one time, and many of them concern major roads, there is often little or no effort to take into account traffic, especially around peak hour, not does there seem to be any rhyme or reason to the way signage is used around roadwork’s.

I understand allot of this work needs to be done, but why does it need to be so disorganised and poorly executed?

Chop71 11:43 am 30 Aug 11

sometimes it would be worth paying the nightshift to do roadworks

Holden Caulfield 11:39 am 30 Aug 11

Watson said :

Holden Caulfield said :

Well that happens with pretty much every other intersection affected by roadworks in Canberra, so why should Antill Street be any different.

Bloody annoying though!

Because it is possibly the busiest intersection in town?

Yes, it could be, but probably not. Anyway, that doesn’t really address the point about traffic management in roadwork affected areas being cocked up all over Canberra?

It does sound like they probably could have waited and I agree it’s frustrating, but not surprising.

Any regular users of GDE or Glenloch want to pipe up and swap stories?

Watson 11:00 am 30 Aug 11

Holden Caulfield said :

Well that happens with pretty much every other intersection affected by roadworks in Canberra, so why should Antill Street be any different.

Bloody annoying though!

Because it is possibly the busiest intersection in town? Surely it would have made little difference to them to wait until after 9-9.30 to start backing out their trucks?

I had a great time listening to an awesome CD I forgot I had in the car for the 20 something minutes I was stuck on Antil. But the situation did still annoy me.

KB1971 10:17 am 30 Aug 11

Ride your bike……..

Holden Caulfield 10:11 am 30 Aug 11

“You have to wonder when they issue temporary traffic arrangement that they are allowed to do this without managing the intersection.”

Well that happens with pretty much every other intersection affected by roadworks in Canberra, so why should Antill Street be any different.

Bloody annoying though!

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