Antony Green punches Canberra’s Numbers

johnboy 11 June 2013 48

The ABC’s Antony Green has posted his take on what will happen at the election, should Julia Gillard make it to September 14.

Lovers of variety will be disappointed to hear Antony doesn’t see any change coming from 3 Labor, One Lib.

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damien haas damien haas 6:53 pm 12 Jun 13

Given Zed’s high primary vote, i wonder what would happen if he had run for one of the lower house seats?

PM PM 6:15 pm 12 Jun 13

Pork Hunt said :

dungfungus said :

Aeek said :

At least Leigh isn’t a lawyer. “If its legally arguable then its ethical” seems to have corrupted both sides of politics. Everything is legally arguable.

He has a degree in law but he is not a lawyer.

Not admitted to the bar? Never trust a bloke who doesn’t drink I’ve heard…

He’s so damn straight – it’s so boring!

Pork Hunt Pork Hunt 6:00 pm 12 Jun 13

dungfungus said :

Aeek said :

At least Leigh isn’t a lawyer. “If its legally arguable then its ethical” seems to have corrupted both sides of politics. Everything is legally arguable.

He has a degree in law but he is not a lawyer.

Not admitted to the bar? Never trust a bloke who doesn’t drink I’ve heard…

dungfungus dungfungus 5:41 pm 12 Jun 13

Aeek said :

At least Leigh isn’t a lawyer. “If its legally arguable then its ethical” seems to have corrupted both sides of politics. Everything is legally arguable.

He has a degree in law but he is not a lawyer.

Aeek Aeek 5:16 pm 12 Jun 13

At least Leigh isn’t a lawyer. “If its legally arguable then its ethical” seems to have corrupted both sides of politics. Everything is legally arguable.

Jim Jones Jim Jones 3:49 pm 12 Jun 13

chewy14 said :

Jim Jones said :

chewy14 said :

Jim Jones said :

The notion of voting with the intent of becoming a marginal seat solely so that we can be the recipients of pork-barrelling is morally repellant.

Regardless of what party anyone votes for, that’s an utter sellout.

I consider actually voting for any of the parties and candidates currently on offer to be morally repellant.

When there’s no party that represents your ideology or ideas for a better country, ill go with attempting to improve my town and territory.

Never has the statement “In a democracy, you get the politicians you deserve” been more appropriate.

Yes exactly. Appropriate for those who keep voting the same types of politicians in time and time gain despite their abject failings.

We get the will of the people and a large proportion of those people are stupid.

You know what you have to do chewy … you have to burn them all … BURN THEM ALL!!!!

chewy14 chewy14 3:37 pm 12 Jun 13

Jim Jones said :

chewy14 said :

Jim Jones said :

The notion of voting with the intent of becoming a marginal seat solely so that we can be the recipients of pork-barrelling is morally repellant.

Regardless of what party anyone votes for, that’s an utter sellout.

I consider actually voting for any of the parties and candidates currently on offer to be morally repellant.

When there’s no party that represents your ideology or ideas for a better country, ill go with attempting to improve my town and territory.

Never has the statement “In a democracy, you get the politicians you deserve” been more appropriate.

Yes exactly. Appropriate for those who keep voting the same types of politicians in time and time gain despite their abject failings.

We get the will of the people and a large proportion of those people are stupid.

Jim Jones Jim Jones 2:28 pm 12 Jun 13

chewy14 said :

Jim Jones said :

The notion of voting with the intent of becoming a marginal seat solely so that we can be the recipients of pork-barrelling is morally repellant.

Regardless of what party anyone votes for, that’s an utter sellout.

I consider actually voting for any of the parties and candidates currently on offer to be morally repellant.

When there’s no party that represents your ideology or ideas for a better country, ill go with attempting to improve my town and territory.

Never has the statement “In a democracy, you get the politicians you deserve” been more appropriate.

chewy14 chewy14 2:16 pm 12 Jun 13

Jim Jones said :

The notion of voting with the intent of becoming a marginal seat solely so that we can be the recipients of pork-barrelling is morally repellant.

Regardless of what party anyone votes for, that’s an utter sellout.

I consider actually voting for any of the parties and candidates currently on offer to be morally repellant.

When there’s no party that represents your ideology or ideas for a better country, ill go with attempting to improve my town and territory.

Jim Jones Jim Jones 1:48 pm 12 Jun 13

chewy14 said :

Jim Jones said :

Roundhead89 said :

I’ve been urging people in Canberra (elec) to vote Liberal so we can have lower house representation in the new government or else we will be frozen out and spend the next nine or twelve years on the sidelines while the rest of the country is on the field playing the game. I just can’t understand the rusted-on Labor mentality in this town, especially when right next door is the bellwether seat which is constantly being porkbarrelled and showered with money.

As far as I’m concerned, if we don’t get with it and go with the rest of the country we deserve all the beating up and public service cuts a vengeful government might inflict.

Canberra deserves to be savaged because we don’t vote for the right party.

Good one!

We may not deserve it but its what we will get. I’ve been saying for years that we need to become a marginal seat. It may not be fair but the squeaky wheel gets the grease.

The notion of voting with the intent of becoming a marginal seat solely so that we can be the recipients of pork-barrelling is morally repellant.

Regardless of what party anyone votes for, that’s an utter sellout.

dungfungus dungfungus 1:40 pm 12 Jun 13

Thumper said :

dungfungus said :

Diggety said :

Thumper said :

To be fair, Andrew Leigh has been one of the saner members of the ALP, as well as being one of their best operators in that he hasn’t presided over wholescale policy failures/ deacles and that he generally stays away from parrotting the AbbottAbbottAbbott line.

Yeah Leigh is quite smart to choose policy/debate affiliation, and brings a nice academic perspective to politics.

At least I thought so until I watched The Drum last night… The whole panel laughed at him at one stage when he suggested political pundetry should be banned unless there is a certain criteria is met. Not conducive to a free society.

My case rests.

I didn’t say that I agree with Leigh.

I said he’s been a reasonbly effective local member and that we could have had worse. Much worse…

It wouldn’t matter how good or how bad he is because it will always be a Labor seat. Give me some examples of how “effective” he has been.
We may as well have a cardboard cutout of him sitting in Parliament and this would give him more time to write books, be a community organiser and social media supremo.

chewy14 chewy14 1:21 pm 12 Jun 13

Jim Jones said :

Roundhead89 said :

I’ve been urging people in Canberra (elec) to vote Liberal so we can have lower house representation in the new government or else we will be frozen out and spend the next nine or twelve years on the sidelines while the rest of the country is on the field playing the game. I just can’t understand the rusted-on Labor mentality in this town, especially when right next door is the bellwether seat which is constantly being porkbarrelled and showered with money.

As far as I’m concerned, if we don’t get with it and go with the rest of the country we deserve all the beating up and public service cuts a vengeful government might inflict.

Canberra deserves to be savaged because we don’t vote for the right party.

Good one!

We may not deserve it but its what we will get. I’ve been saying for years that we need to become a marginal seat. It may not be fair but the squeaky wheel gets the grease.

Thumper Thumper 11:39 am 12 Jun 13

dungfungus said :

Diggety said :

Thumper said :

To be fair, Andrew Leigh has been one of the saner members of the ALP, as well as being one of their best operators in that he hasn’t presided over wholescale policy failures/ deacles and that he generally stays away from parrotting the AbbottAbbottAbbott line.

Yeah Leigh is quite smart to choose policy/debate affiliation, and brings a nice academic perspective to politics.

At least I thought so until I watched The Drum last night… The whole panel laughed at him at one stage when he suggested political pundetry should be banned unless there is a certain criteria is met. Not conducive to a free society.

My case rests.

I didn’t say that I agree with Leigh.

I said he’s been a reasonbly effective local member and that we could have had worse. Much worse…

Jim Jones Jim Jones 11:38 am 12 Jun 13

Roundhead89 said :

I’ve been urging people in Canberra (elec) to vote Liberal so we can have lower house representation in the new government or else we will be frozen out and spend the next nine or twelve years on the sidelines while the rest of the country is on the field playing the game. I just can’t understand the rusted-on Labor mentality in this town, especially when right next door is the bellwether seat which is constantly being porkbarrelled and showered with money.

As far as I’m concerned, if we don’t get with it and go with the rest of the country we deserve all the beating up and public service cuts a vengeful government might inflict.

Canberra deserves to be savaged because we don’t vote for the right party.

Good one!

Roundhead89 Roundhead89 11:22 am 12 Jun 13

I’ve been urging people in Canberra (elec) to vote Liberal so we can have lower house representation in the new government or else we will be frozen out and spend the next nine or twelve years on the sidelines while the rest of the country is on the field playing the game. I just can’t understand the rusted-on Labor mentality in this town, especially when right next door is the bellwether seat which is constantly being porkbarrelled and showered with money.

As far as I’m concerned, if we don’t get with it and go with the rest of the country we deserve all the beating up and public service cuts a vengeful government might inflict.

dungfungus dungfungus 10:08 am 12 Jun 13

Diggety said :

Thumper said :

To be fair, Andrew Leigh has been one of the saner members of the ALP, as well as being one of their best operators in that he hasn’t presided over wholescale policy failures/ deacles and that he generally stays away from parrotting the AbbottAbbottAbbott line.

Yeah Leigh is quite smart to choose policy/debate affiliation, and brings a nice academic perspective to politics.

At least I thought so until I watched The Drum last night… The whole panel laughed at him at one stage when he suggested political pundetry should be banned unless there is a certain criteria is met. Not conducive to a free society.

My case rests.

beardedclam beardedclam 10:07 am 12 Jun 13

dungfungus said :

Thumper said :

To be fair, Andrew Leigh has been one of the saner members of the ALP, as well as being one of their best operators in that he hasn’t presided over wholescale policy failures/ deacles and that he generally stays away from parrotting the AbbottAbbottAbbott line.

I would count Canberra lucky to have Leigh as an elected representative when you consider a lot of the others. In fact Leigh could be setting himself up for a Ministry if not more (treasurer anyone?) in about 10-12 years.

Having said that, Canberrans should vote for Humphries in the senate just to keep Seselja out. We can do without a self serving, self important backstabbing egotist whose only agenda appears to be the promotion of himself.

Leigh is overweighted with academic experience which is wonderful in the confines of the ANU sheltered workshop but useless in the real world. He likes to promote himself as well (much more than Zed ever did). It concerns me that you see him as a potential Treasurer but then again unless he crosses the floor after 14th September to join the coalition he will never get that chance.
And in giving advice to us all about voting for Humphries to spite Zed, who are you going to vote for? Oh, yes, Kate Lundy.

hahahahahahaha

beardedclam beardedclam 10:06 am 12 Jun 13

Thumper said :

To be fair, Andrew Leigh has been one of the saner members of the ALP, as well as being one of their best operators in that he hasn’t presided over wholescale policy failures/ deacles and that he generally stays away from parrotting the AbbottAbbottAbbott line.

I would count Canberra lucky to have Leigh as an elected representative when you consider a lot of the others. In fact Leigh could be setting himself up for a Ministry if not more (treasurer anyone?) in about 10-12 years.

Having said that, Canberrans should vote for Humphries in the senate just to keep Seselja out. We can do without a self serving, self important backstabbing egotist whose only agenda appears to be the promotion of himself.

+1

beardedclam beardedclam 10:05 am 12 Jun 13

incredulousandridiculous said :

Diggety said :

breda said :

Diggety, stirrer.

Tasmania, The Mendicant State, has six times as many senators as we do and a much higher percentage of people relying on government benefits as their primary source of income. The population difference is trivial in the national context.

Ya reckon that might skew the voting just a bit?

At least 40% of the ACT are on government benefits (public servants + welfare).

Hence the high Left wing party vote – Canberran’s are not net wealth creators, we rely on other peoples’ productivity to survive.

Agreed. Gus’ Cafe and Zara are about as free market-esque as Canberra gets. Mind you, every good system needs at least some ‘central planning’. However, when I ponder over places like the Department of Climate Change and hear individual, separate stories from friends and acquaintances about the inefficiencies going on there, even Marx would turn in his grave. Add to that also the red tape-loving behemoth that is the Department of Health (who needs more nurses and doctors when we can have bureaucrats?) and the lack of serving military personnel relative to our bloated DoD numbers, and you have a pretty sorry situation. Sadly, many of our public servants (but CERTAINLY not all) are well-educated and could serve the country in far better ways than their political masters allow.

There is absolutely no way in hell that corporate entities like Deloitte, Ernst & Young and KPMG would tolerate the time-wasting engaged in by fully 30% of public servants.

So instead of whinge, https://www.canberraconnect.act.gov.au/app/forms/fix_red_tape
maybe you can do something about it. Put forward your ideas on how to cut red tape.

Diggety Diggety 9:55 am 12 Jun 13

Thumper said :

To be fair, Andrew Leigh has been one of the saner members of the ALP, as well as being one of their best operators in that he hasn’t presided over wholescale policy failures/ deacles and that he generally stays away from parrotting the AbbottAbbottAbbott line.

Yeah Leigh is quite smart to choose policy/debate affiliation, and brings a nice academic perspective to politics.

At least I thought so until I watched The Drum last night… The whole panel laughed at him at one stage when he suggested political pundetry should be banned unless there is a certain criteria is met. Not conducive to a free society.

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