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Anyone want to do the admin for the Australian Christian Lobby?

johnboy 21 January 2014 50

The Australian Christian Lobby is looking for Canberra staff:

ACL is seeking a highly motivated person to fill the full-time role of Administration Assistant/Receptionist in its national office, Canberra.

The appointment will primarily involve front desk duties such as answering phones, greeting visitors and managing the national office email account. Administrative duties will include significant support for managing ACL’s database, and supporter correspondence via mail and email, and other general duties as required.


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Jivrashia 12:31 pm 24 Jan 14

Woody Mann-Caruso said :

poetix said :

Every time he comments, a little angel of atheism dies.

What’s an angel? (Or was that a metaphor?)

It’s like when the cows come home, or when you’ve managed to herd cats, or when pigs fly.

IrishPete 10:49 am 24 Jan 14

Masquara said :

Woody Mann-Caruso said :

poetix said :

Every time he comments, a little angel of atheism dies.

What’s an angel? Is that the thing that killed all those innocent foreign babies as a negotiating tactic during a diplomatic dispute after biological weapons targeting civilians failed to have the desired effect? (Or was that a metaphor?)

You’d have to ask Julian Assange’s dad about that, wouldn’t you? He was over there shooting the breeze with the Syrian regime just the other day!

Careful: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/assanges-father-to-start-legal-action-against-tony-abbott-julie-bishop-20140102-3080z.html

Masquara 4:41 am 24 Jan 14

Woody Mann-Caruso said :

poetix said :

Every time he comments, a little angel of atheism dies.

What’s an angel? Is that the thing that killed all those innocent foreign babies as a negotiating tactic during a diplomatic dispute after biological weapons targeting civilians failed to have the desired effect? (Or was that a metaphor?)

You’d have to ask Julian Assange’s dad about that, wouldn’t you? He was over there shooting the breeze with the Syrian regime just the other day!

Pork Hunt 10:36 pm 23 Jan 14

Woody Mann-Caruso said :

poetix said :

Every time he comments, a little angel of atheism dies.

What’s an angel? Is that the thing that killed all those innocent foreign babies as a negotiating tactic during a diplomatic dispute after biological weapons targeting civilians failed to have the desired effect? (Or was that a metaphor?)

Metaphors are relatively non-lethal…

Woody Mann-Caruso 10:28 pm 23 Jan 14

poetix said :

Every time he comments, a little angel of atheism dies.

What’s an angel? Is that the thing that killed all those innocent foreign babies as a negotiating tactic during a diplomatic dispute after biological weapons targeting civilians failed to have the desired effect? (Or was that a metaphor?)

Thumper 9:51 pm 23 Jan 14

Woody Mann-Caruso said :

Most Indigenous Australians are Christian. Anyone care to knock Indigenous Australians over that?Thought not.

Happily!

Are you an Aboriginal Australian or a Torres Strait Islander? Are you also a member of a death cult that worships a Jewish dissident zombie wizard because there’s totally a book about it? Then you’re delusional. You may well be a lovely person, a hard worker, and an all-round upstanding citizen, but you’re still delusional, and your inability* to reason your way out of your predicament means I worry about you.

*It’s almost certainly not your fault. It’s a meme that selects for gullibility / desperation, then rewards ignorance and punishes rational thought. You might as well try to give up smoking or cure depression by wishing really hard for an invisible imaginary friend to fix you**.

**Sorry, you call it ‘prayer’.

Chill out Woody. You don’t need to be an intolerant prick every day of your life.

poetix 9:08 pm 23 Jan 14

Woody Mann-Caruso said :

Most Indigenous Australians are Christian. Anyone care to knock Indigenous Australians over that?Thought not.

Happily!

Are you an Aboriginal Australian or a Torres Strait Islander? Are you also a member of a death cult that worships a Jewish dissident zombie wizard because there’s totally a book about it? Then you’re delusional. You may well be a lovely person, a hard worker, and an all-round upstanding citizen, but you’re still delusional, and your inability* to reason your way out of your predicament means I worry about you.

*It’s almost certainly not your fault. It’s a meme that selects for gullibility / desperation, then rewards ignorance and punishes rational thought. You might as well try to give up smoking or cure depression by wishing really hard for an invisible imaginary friend to fix you**.

**Sorry, you call it ‘prayer’.

Every time he comments, a little angel of atheism dies.

Woody Mann-Caruso 7:51 pm 23 Jan 14

Most Indigenous Australians are Christian. Anyone care to knock Indigenous Australians over that?Thought not.

Happily!

Are you an Aboriginal Australian or a Torres Strait Islander? Are you also a member of a death cult that worships a Jewish dissident zombie wizard because there’s totally a book about it? Then you’re delusional. You may well be a lovely person, a hard worker, and an all-round upstanding citizen, but you’re still delusional, and your inability* to reason your way out of your predicament means I worry about you.

*It’s almost certainly not your fault. It’s a meme that selects for gullibility / desperation, then rewards ignorance and punishes rational thought. You might as well try to give up smoking or cure depression by wishing really hard for an invisible imaginary friend to fix you**.

**Sorry, you call it ‘prayer’.

Pork Hunt 5:37 pm 23 Jan 14

watto23 said :

Masquara said :

watto23 said :

Masquara said :

Most Indigenous Australians are Christian. Anyone care to knock Indigenous Australians over that?

Thought not.

I highly doubt that to be the case. Maybe they are told to do it on their census form. But they are not Christians and never were. Indigenous Australians like many Pacific islanders and Africans are Christian, because that religion got their first and forced their religion onto them. So maybe now hundreds of years later they are “Christians” but not because of choice necessarily and its the part of religion that upsets me the most. Forcing or telling others who to believe as you do.

You’re saying in effect that Indigenous Australians and Pacific Islanders are not capable of deciding their spiritual beliefs in a multifaith society? Tell that to a Tongan congregation! I dare you!

Actually they are not AS capable because they have been raised to believe in their religion and part of that process takes away any reasoning that another faith is even possible. So yes I’m kind of saying that. However I recognise they have Christian beliefs and are Christians and also they have freedom to choose even if that freedom has been distorted by the “facts” provided to them by the church.

My point is that before the missionaries they had tribal beliefs and other cultural beliefs and the only reason they are Christians now is because missionaries took it apon themselves to tell them they had it all wrong and save them from their terrible belief in their Tongan/Samoan/Fijian gods. Once religion is ingrained in a culture the ability to choose is very difficult because changing often means hostility towards the person changing their beliefs. Hostility could range from being left out of things, bullying (like the ACL does) or even violence.

The sames goes for Australia. Just because we were settled by a christian empire in Britain, doesn’t mean this country is christian. The ACL assumes uses this point to try and suggest it values are what all Australians should stick to. Lately the term Judo-Christianity has been used, because it adds numbers to their cause, even though they are different faiths.

We are a secular country by law and constitution. We are not a christian country or any other religious country. We are lucky that people in Australia have the freedom to choose. I don’t think in many countries you have the choice because doing so makes you an outcast.

Judo-Christianity is an interesting concept. I wonder what the sermons are like?

On a lighter note, someone, possibly Desmond Tutu, once said of missionaries in Africa:
“When the white man came to Africa, we had the land and they had the bibles. They said let us close our eyes and pray.
When we opened our eyes, they had the land and we had the bibles”.

IrishPete 3:17 pm 23 Jan 14

justsomeaussie said :

I’m sure catholic’s doesn’t call themselves a non Anglican over a catholic.

In 1950s Australia possibly, just like in Northern Ireland now. And there are other places where the rivalry and animosity between similar religions is much stronger than between those that are very different. (In NI Jewish people used to be asked if they were Catholic Jewish or Protestant Jewish – I presume they immediately packed their bags and left for a slightly saner environment.)

IP

astrojax 1:50 pm 23 Jan 14

bigfeet said :

poetix said :

And some people raised as atheists, and atheists until they are no longer spring chickens, read the gospels and find themselves surprised into believing, and are very happy with that….

And that’s fine. In fact that is the way it should be. People making up their own mind when they are old enough to examine all options and understand what they mean and how it fits into their life.

Whatever consenting adults choose to do in their own home in no-ones business but their own.

As long as they keep it in out of public view, and don’t try to force it on others…including their own or anyone else’s children.

exactly: religion is a lot like a penis. great if you’ve got one, be proud, do what you like with it in your home… but don’t whip it out in public and, god forbid, don’t ram it down my [or my children’s] throat!

maxblues 1:05 pm 23 Jan 14

justsomeaussie said :

poetix said :

And some people raised as atheists,

I do enjoy this concept. It’s locked in the Christians rights’ mind of the “atheist threat”.

Atheism otherwise known as, the lack of a belief in a deity is the default position. Just like not believing in fairies, uniforms or anything else till there is sufficient evidence.

Parents don’t raise atheist children anymore than they raise non stamp collectors. It’s problematic to define something by what it doesn’t believe in or isn’t. I’m sure catholic’s doesn’t call themselves a non Anglican over a catholic.

Just for clarity sake, atheism isn’t the belief that there definitely is no gods, it relates purely to the god claim. What a lot of people think is atheism is actually anti theism or confuses it with agnosticism which is about what you know. Agnosticism isn’t some middle ground between atheism and theism as people (including Pell) think.

I think your unicorn is wearing a uniform.

justsomeaussie 12:17 pm 23 Jan 14

poetix said :

And some people raised as atheists,

I do enjoy this concept. It’s locked in the Christians rights’ mind of the “atheist threat”.

Atheism otherwise known as, the lack of a belief in a deity is the default position. Just like not believing in fairies, uniforms or anything else till there is sufficient evidence.

Parents don’t raise atheist children anymore than they raise non stamp collectors. It’s problematic to define something by what it doesn’t believe in or isn’t. I’m sure catholic’s doesn’t call themselves a non Anglican over a catholic.

Just for clarity sake, atheism isn’t the belief that there definitely is no gods, it relates purely to the god claim. What a lot of people think is atheism is actually anti theism or confuses it with agnosticism which is about what you know. Agnosticism isn’t some middle ground between atheism and theism as people (including Pell) think.

watto23 9:58 am 23 Jan 14

Masquara said :

watto23 said :

Masquara said :

Most Indigenous Australians are Christian. Anyone care to knock Indigenous Australians over that?

Thought not.

I highly doubt that to be the case. Maybe they are told to do it on their census form. But they are not Christians and never were. Indigenous Australians like many Pacific islanders and Africans are Christian, because that religion got their first and forced their religion onto them. So maybe now hundreds of years later they are “Christians” but not because of choice necessarily and its the part of religion that upsets me the most. Forcing or telling others who to believe as you do.

You’re saying in effect that Indigenous Australians and Pacific Islanders are not capable of deciding their spiritual beliefs in a multifaith society? Tell that to a Tongan congregation! I dare you!

Actually they are not AS capable because they have been raised to believe in their religion and part of that process takes away any reasoning that another faith is even possible. So yes I’m kind of saying that. However I recognise they have Christian beliefs and are Christians and also they have freedom to choose even if that freedom has been distorted by the “facts” provided to them by the church.

My point is that before the missionaries they had tribal beliefs and other cultural beliefs and the only reason they are Christians now is because missionaries took it apon themselves to tell them they had it all wrong and save them from their terrible belief in their Tongan/Samoan/Fijian gods. Once religion is ingrained in a culture the ability to choose is very difficult because changing often means hostility towards the person changing their beliefs. Hostility could range from being left out of things, bullying (like the ACL does) or even violence.

The sames goes for Australia. Just because we were settled by a christian empire in Britain, doesn’t mean this country is christian. The ACL assumes uses this point to try and suggest it values are what all Australians should stick to. Lately the term Judo-Christianity has been used, because it adds numbers to their cause, even though they are different faiths.

We are a secular country by law and constitution. We are not a christian country or any other religious country. We are lucky that people in Australia have the freedom to choose. I don’t think in many countries you have the choice because doing so makes you an outcast.

MrBigEars 9:08 am 23 Jan 14

As an apatheist:

https://xkcd.com/774/

bigfeet 6:57 am 23 Jan 14

poetix said :

And some people raised as atheists, and atheists until they are no longer spring chickens, read the gospels and find themselves surprised into believing, and are very happy with that….

And that’s fine. In fact that is the way it should be. People making up their own mind when they are old enough to examine all options and understand what they mean and how it fits into their life.

Whatever consenting adults choose to do in their own home in no-ones business but their own.

As long as they keep it in out of public view, and don’t try to force it on others…including their own or anyone else’s children.

HiddenDragon 12:55 am 23 Jan 14

poetix said :

No, thank you, I am most definitely not interested in working for this mob.

This intrigued me, under the heading “personal attributes’:

‘Servant leadership qualities’

Please explain.

Servant leadership qualities = must be a practising devotee of Downton Abbey – detailed questions will be asked!

Who’d’ve thunk we’d get to a second page on this – wow! – will there be a CT spinoff???

poetix 10:27 pm 22 Jan 14

IrishPete said :

Masquara said :

CrocodileGandhi said :

If your whole family and basically every person you’ve ever met is of one religion, the extent to which you actually “choose” your religion is limited.

In oppressive societies, sure. But in Australia, how so? People are free to choose their religion and only members of, say, The Family have limited choices. The rest of us can be Satanists. Or cult followers of Sarah Hanson-Young or Brian Harradine or Doug Anthony or Barcham. Or, hopefully, atheists.

Sure, I chose to be baptised when a few weeks old, to be taken to church every Sunday, what schools I went to and so on.

I think you have missed CrocodileGandhi’s point

If you manage to retain any independent thinking ability into your teens, you might just be able to choose not to accept what they have tried to indoctrinate you with The rarity of people changing religions suggests most people do not managed to retain that ability. Many people reject religion altogether, few “adopt” another religion.

IP

And some people raised as atheists, and atheists until they are no longer spring chickens, read the gospels and find themselves surprised into believing, and are very happy with that.

There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio…

IrishPete 8:40 pm 22 Jan 14

Masquara said :

CrocodileGandhi said :

If your whole family and basically every person you’ve ever met is of one religion, the extent to which you actually “choose” your religion is limited.

In oppressive societies, sure. But in Australia, how so? People are free to choose their religion and only members of, say, The Family have limited choices. The rest of us can be Satanists. Or cult followers of Sarah Hanson-Young or Brian Harradine or Doug Anthony or Barcham. Or, hopefully, atheists.

Sure, I chose to be baptised when a few weeks old, to be taken to church every Sunday, what schools I went to and so on.

I think you have missed CrocodileGandhi’s point

If you manage to retain any independent thinking ability into your teens, you might just be able to choose not to accept what they have tried to indoctrinate you with The rarity of people changing religions suggests most people do not managed to retain that ability. Many people reject religion altogether, few “adopt” another religion.

IP

housebound 7:30 pm 22 Jan 14

watto23 said :

Masquara said :

Most Indigenous Australians are Christian. Anyone care to knock Indigenous Australians over that?

Thought not.

I highly doubt that to be the case. Maybe they are told to do it on their census form. But they are not Christians and never were. Indigenous Australians like many Pacific islanders and Africans are Christian, because that religion got their first and forced their religion onto them. So maybe now hundreds of years later they are “Christians” but not because of choice necessarily and its the part of religion that upsets me the most. Forcing or telling others who to believe as you do.

Interesting about the African Christians. You do know the Ethiopian church is amongst the early christian churches? Predates us Anglos by quote a few years.

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