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Ask RiotACT: Where is the historic rates info on the ACT Gov website?

By Masquara - 27 August 2016 33

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I just received my notice and my rates have jumped –  a lot higher (over $75 a week and that’s without the basic water supply charge). I can’t find a page on the ACT Government website with the history of rates increases  – they seem to assiduously delete the historical information exactly so that we won’t reference back and identify the incremental damage. Do any Rioters know where this info is “stored” online? (Wondering just how much more my rates would have increased if this wasn’t an election year!)

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Ask RiotACT: Where is the historic rates info on the ACT Gov website?
Masquara 6:50 pm 29 Aug 16

davo101 said :

Acton said :

On average ACT household rates have increased by 15%pa since 2011-12. 60% over four years.

If average Canberra rates in 2011-12 were $1500 per household and the 14-15%pa rises continue, this is how they will increase into the future:

Ah the power of pointless extrapolation. If the Australian economy continues to grow at 3% pa then by 2090 ACT rates will be the size of the Australian economy.

How ’bout we do a little back of the envelope instead? Looking at this year’s budget papers conveyance duties are about 60% of the general rates revenue. If there are 15 years left in the transition to no conveyance duties then rates will have to grow by 3.2% pa in real terms.

The rates are indexed to the WPI so you can expect the average rates to be going up WPI plus 3.2% pa over the next 15 years. What the WPI will do over the next 15 years is a forecasting problem (the last 3 years’ values were 2.3%, 1.8%, 1.7%).

How often do you think people do conveyancing, compared to paying rates!

davo101 4:22 pm 29 Aug 16

Acton said :

On average ACT household rates have increased by 15%pa since 2011-12. 60% over four years.

If average Canberra rates in 2011-12 were $1500 per household and the 14-15%pa rises continue, this is how they will increase into the future:

Ah the power of pointless extrapolation. If the Australian economy continues to grow at 3% pa then by 2090 ACT rates will be the size of the Australian economy.

How ’bout we do a little back of the envelope instead? Looking at this year’s budget papers conveyance duties are about 60% of the general rates revenue. If there are 15 years left in the transition to no conveyance duties then rates will have to grow by 3.2% pa in real terms.

The rates are indexed to the WPI so you can expect the average rates to be going up WPI plus 3.2% pa over the next 15 years. What the WPI will do over the next 15 years is a forecasting problem (the last 3 years’ values were 2.3%, 1.8%, 1.7%).

Garfield 2:15 pm 29 Aug 16

chewy14 said :

Garfield said :

JC said :

Acton said :

On average ACT household rates have increased by 15%pa since 2011-12. 60% over four years.

If average Canberra rates in 2011-12 were $1500 per household and the 14-15%pa rises continue, this is how they will increase into the future:

2011-12 $1500

2012-13 $1710

2013-14 $1949

2014-15 $2222

2015-16 $2533

2016-17 $2888

2017-18 $3292 (Doubled)

2018-19 $3753

2019-20 $4279 (Tripled)

2020-21 $4878

2021-22 $5561

2022-23 $6339 (Quadrupled)

My, our and your 2011-12 Canberra household rates will double by 2017-18, will triple by 2019-20 and will quadruple by 2022-23. Yes, an increase of over 400%.

ACT rate increases are far in excess of salary/inflation/pension rises. Only a city of complacent, apathetic and habitual voters would tolerate such extortionary rises. You get the government you deserve.

The Victorian Government introduced rate capping to restrict how much councils can raise their rates each year. In 2016, the Minister set the rate cap at 2.5%.
http://www.mav.asn.au/about-local-government/local-government-finance/Pages/council-rates-property-valuations.aspx

Firstly the average rates increase for the whole of the ACT has been 5% not 15%. Where did you pluck that one from. liberal party talking points? (My source is the act government website).
And you are forgetting of course the ACT government has a 3 phase rate reform process and the increases are as a result of that. This is the last year in the 2nd phase of that reform process so they won’t be increasing 15% for ever and ever as inferred. So not sure the point of your table.

Look at the budget papers. Increases in rates revenue have been or are budgeted as follows:

2012/13: 11.48%
2013/14: 15.57%
2014/15: 12.23%
2015/16: 10.71%
2016/17: 5.03%
2017/18: 9.78%
2018/19: 8.99%
2019/20: 7.49%

2012/13 is the increase in rates and land tax as the government rolled commercial land tax into rates. The increases from 2013/14 through 2015/16 are on total rates increases as residential and commercial rates were not differentiated in the budget overview. The increases from 2016/17 are the budgeted residential rates increases.

We can see that Barr has slipped in a comparatively lower increase in the most recent budget, even though its still well over inflation, but is intending to go back to big increases after the election. You may think that the increasing rates after the election will be offset by lower stamp duty, but no, stamp duty is budgeted to increase. It looks like the so-called tax reform is over and its just about increasing tax revenue collections from residents.

You can’t just look at the overall figures when they are releasing a few thousand extra residential blocks each year. Of course revenue is going up, you’d be extremely worried if it wasn’t

I would love to be able to compare neat little tables for the different years, but as Masquara has highlighted for us, the ACT government has not made that information easy to find, so therefore looking at revenue totals is at least an indicator.

Last time I looked at the ABS, Canberra’s population growth rate was about 1.4% p.a. so combined with inflation, average annual increases of around 3.5% in the budget would indicate no increase in real terms. Even in this year’s budgeted increase of “only” 5.03% its still an increase in real terms of about 50% above a revenue neutral setting.

According to you rates have only increased at 5% p.a. but my rates have increased almost 50% in 4 years and that’s not due to an increase in the property value. I know other people whose rates have gone up even more. While Acton’s 15% p.a. figure may be a little high as an ACT wide average, your 5% figure is worthy of an ACT Labor spin doctor.

chewy14 12:42 pm 29 Aug 16

Garfield said :

JC said :

Acton said :

On average ACT household rates have increased by 15%pa since 2011-12. 60% over four years.

If average Canberra rates in 2011-12 were $1500 per household and the 14-15%pa rises continue, this is how they will increase into the future:

2011-12 $1500

2012-13 $1710

2013-14 $1949

2014-15 $2222

2015-16 $2533

2016-17 $2888

2017-18 $3292 (Doubled)

2018-19 $3753

2019-20 $4279 (Tripled)

2020-21 $4878

2021-22 $5561

2022-23 $6339 (Quadrupled)

My, our and your 2011-12 Canberra household rates will double by 2017-18, will triple by 2019-20 and will quadruple by 2022-23. Yes, an increase of over 400%.

ACT rate increases are far in excess of salary/inflation/pension rises. Only a city of complacent, apathetic and habitual voters would tolerate such extortionary rises. You get the government you deserve.

The Victorian Government introduced rate capping to restrict how much councils can raise their rates each year. In 2016, the Minister set the rate cap at 2.5%.
http://www.mav.asn.au/about-local-government/local-government-finance/Pages/council-rates-property-valuations.aspx

Firstly the average rates increase for the whole of the ACT has been 5% not 15%. Where did you pluck that one from. liberal party talking points? (My source is the act government website).
And you are forgetting of course the ACT government has a 3 phase rate reform process and the increases are as a result of that. This is the last year in the 2nd phase of that reform process so they won’t be increasing 15% for ever and ever as inferred. So not sure the point of your table.

Look at the budget papers. Increases in rates revenue have been or are budgeted as follows:

2012/13: 11.48%
2013/14: 15.57%
2014/15: 12.23%
2015/16: 10.71%
2016/17: 5.03%
2017/18: 9.78%
2018/19: 8.99%
2019/20: 7.49%

2012/13 is the increase in rates and land tax as the government rolled commercial land tax into rates. The increases from 2013/14 through 2015/16 are on total rates increases as residential and commercial rates were not differentiated in the budget overview. The increases from 2016/17 are the budgeted residential rates increases.

We can see that Barr has slipped in a comparatively lower increase in the most recent budget, even though its still well over inflation, but is intending to go back to big increases after the election. You may think that the increasing rates after the election will be offset by lower stamp duty, but no, stamp duty is budgeted to increase. It looks like the so-called tax reform is over and its just about increasing tax revenue collections from residents.

You can’t just look at the overall figures when they are releasing a few thousand extra residential blocks each year. Of course revenue is going up, you’d be extremely worried if it wasn’t

rommeldog56 10:04 am 29 Aug 16

And, talking about Annual Rates and what they are supposed to pay for : I can not find the thread on the garbage collection strikes in the new RiotAct format. Was there any announcement that the strikes had been resolved ? If they have been resolved, how ? If not, is a continuation of the rolling program of strikes by the Union just in abeyance until after the ACT Legislative Assembly election ?

Garfield 9:02 am 29 Aug 16

JC said :

Acton said :

On average ACT household rates have increased by 15%pa since 2011-12. 60% over four years.

If average Canberra rates in 2011-12 were $1500 per household and the 14-15%pa rises continue, this is how they will increase into the future:

2011-12 $1500

2012-13 $1710

2013-14 $1949

2014-15 $2222

2015-16 $2533

2016-17 $2888

2017-18 $3292 (Doubled)

2018-19 $3753

2019-20 $4279 (Tripled)

2020-21 $4878

2021-22 $5561

2022-23 $6339 (Quadrupled)

My, our and your 2011-12 Canberra household rates will double by 2017-18, will triple by 2019-20 and will quadruple by 2022-23. Yes, an increase of over 400%.

ACT rate increases are far in excess of salary/inflation/pension rises. Only a city of complacent, apathetic and habitual voters would tolerate such extortionary rises. You get the government you deserve.

The Victorian Government introduced rate capping to restrict how much councils can raise their rates each year. In 2016, the Minister set the rate cap at 2.5%.
http://www.mav.asn.au/about-local-government/local-government-finance/Pages/council-rates-property-valuations.aspx

Firstly the average rates increase for the whole of the ACT has been 5% not 15%. Where did you pluck that one from. liberal party talking points? (My source is the act government website).
And you are forgetting of course the ACT government has a 3 phase rate reform process and the increases are as a result of that. This is the last year in the 2nd phase of that reform process so they won’t be increasing 15% for ever and ever as inferred. So not sure the point of your table.

Look at the budget papers. Increases in rates revenue have been or are budgeted as follows:

2012/13: 11.48%
2013/14: 15.57%
2014/15: 12.23%
2015/16: 10.71%
2016/17: 5.03%
2017/18: 9.78%
2018/19: 8.99%
2019/20: 7.49%

2012/13 is the increase in rates and land tax as the government rolled commercial land tax into rates. The increases from 2013/14 through 2015/16 are on total rates increases as residential and commercial rates were not differentiated in the budget overview. The increases from 2016/17 are the budgeted residential rates increases.

We can see that Barr has slipped in a comparatively lower increase in the most recent budget, even though its still well over inflation, but is intending to go back to big increases after the election. You may think that the increasing rates after the election will be offset by lower stamp duty, but no, stamp duty is budgeted to increase. It looks like the so-called tax reform is over and its just about increasing tax revenue collections from residents.

Acton 8:17 am 29 Aug 16

JC said :

Acton said :

On average ACT household rates have increased by 15%pa since 2011-12. 60% over four years.

If average Canberra rates in 2011-12 were $1500 per household and the 14-15%pa rises continue, this is how they will increase into the future:

2011-12 $1500

2012-13 $1710

2013-14 $1949

2014-15 $2222

2015-16 $2533

2016-17 $2888

2017-18 $3292 (Doubled)

2018-19 $3753

2019-20 $4279 (Tripled)

2020-21 $4878

2021-22 $5561

2022-23 $6339 (Quadrupled)

My, our and your 2011-12 Canberra household rates will double by 2017-18, will triple by 2019-20 and will quadruple by 2022-23. Yes, an increase of over 400%.

ACT rate increases are far in excess of salary/inflation/pension rises. Only a city of complacent, apathetic and habitual voters would tolerate such extortionary rises. You get the government you deserve.

The Victorian Government introduced rate capping to restrict how much councils can raise their rates each year. In 2016, the Minister set the rate cap at 2.5%.
http://www.mav.asn.au/about-local-government/local-government-finance/Pages/council-rates-property-valuations.aspx

Firstly the average rates increase for the whole of the ACT has been 5% not 15%. Where did you pluck that one from. liberal party talking points? (My source is the act government website).
And you are forgetting of course the ACT government has a 3 phase rate reform process and the increases are as a result of that. This is the last year in the 2nd phase of that reform process so they won’t be increasing 15% for ever and ever as inferred. So not sure the point of your table.

Denial or fudging of the extent of our rates increases is an attempt to confuse the issue. Check your own rates this year compared to 2011-12 and average it out. I have and so should everyone else.

The article, ‘Many Canberra householders paying rates bills 60 per cent higher than four years ago’ was written in 2015 so of course in 2016 we are all paying more than 60% now compared to 5 years ago.

http://www.canberratimes.com.au/act-news/many-canberra-householders-paying-rates-bills-60-per-cent-higher-than-four-years-ago-20150603-ghfn1v

Where does the 15%pa come from? 60% divided by 4.

If one is so wealthy as to not care about excessive annual rate rises, or to disorganised to monitor their own budget and yearly rates notices then that link has a map showing rate rises for your suburb.

The table comes from my own Excel spreadsheet, showing what rates could be like if the yearly increases to date continue unabated. Any errors are mine. We can all recall the warnings of rates being tripled and the strenuous denials. Well, the tripling of rates looks to be on track.

Only a city of complacent, apathetic and habitual voters would tolerate such extortionary rises. Vote by the facts, not by the spin.

rommeldog56 7:50 am 29 Aug 16

JC said :

Firstly the average rates increase for the whole of the ACT has been 5% not 15%. Where did you pluck that one from. liberal party talking points? (My source is the act government website).
And you are forgetting of course the ACT government has a 3 phase rate reform process and the increases are as a result of that. This is the last year in the 2nd phase of that reform process so they won’t be increasing 15% for ever and ever as inferred. So not sure the point of your table.

Firstly, the 5% you say is more than that – avg. 5.5% (or there abouts) as I recall + the increase to existing surcharges added and the new domestic violence surcharge added to the Annual Rates bill (just slipped in there in this election year that the programmed increases to Annual Rates was reduced).

And that reduction to 5.5% is only for this election year, after which it will revert to the avg. 10% pa forever that was previously implemented by the ACT Labor/Greens Govt.

And the programmed rises pa to Annual Rates was originally supposed to go for about 20 years. I recall the ACT Gov’t subsequently announced that they would extend forever. That was subject to discussion on 2CC radio station some time ago now.

Can u post a link to this “3 phase” Annual Rates increases by the ACT Labor/Greens Gov’t that you mentioned, please. Does it mention the % increases or just vague unquantified assertions.

JC 11:21 pm 28 Aug 16

Acton said :

On average ACT household rates have increased by 15%pa since 2011-12. 60% over four years.

If average Canberra rates in 2011-12 were $1500 per household and the 14-15%pa rises continue, this is how they will increase into the future:

2011-12 $1500

2012-13 $1710

2013-14 $1949

2014-15 $2222

2015-16 $2533

2016-17 $2888

2017-18 $3292 (Doubled)

2018-19 $3753

2019-20 $4279 (Tripled)

2020-21 $4878

2021-22 $5561

2022-23 $6339 (Quadrupled)

My, our and your 2011-12 Canberra household rates will double by 2017-18, will triple by 2019-20 and will quadruple by 2022-23. Yes, an increase of over 400%.

ACT rate increases are far in excess of salary/inflation/pension rises. Only a city of complacent, apathetic and habitual voters would tolerate such extortionary rises. You get the government you deserve.

The Victorian Government introduced rate capping to restrict how much councils can raise their rates each year. In 2016, the Minister set the rate cap at 2.5%.
http://www.mav.asn.au/about-local-government/local-government-finance/Pages/council-rates-property-valuations.aspx

Firstly the average rates increase for the whole of the ACT has been 5% not 15%. Where did you pluck that one from. liberal party talking points? (My source is the act government website).
And you are forgetting of course the ACT government has a 3 phase rate reform process and the increases are as a result of that. This is the last year in the 2nd phase of that reform process so they won’t be increasing 15% for ever and ever as inferred. So not sure the point of your table.

Acton 12:42 pm 28 Aug 16

On average ACT household rates have increased by 15%pa since 2011-12. 60% over four years.

If average Canberra rates in 2011-12 were $1500 per household and the 14-15%pa rises continue, this is how they will increase into the future:

2011-12 $1500

2012-13 $1710

2013-14 $1949

2014-15 $2222

2015-16 $2533

2016-17 $2888

2017-18 $3292 (Doubled)

2018-19 $3753

2019-20 $4279 (Tripled)

2020-21 $4878

2021-22 $5561

2022-23 $6339 (Quadrupled)

My, our and your 2011-12 Canberra household rates will double by 2017-18, will triple by 2019-20 and will quadruple by 2022-23. Yes, an increase of over 400%.

ACT rate increases are far in excess of salary/inflation/pension rises. Only a city of complacent, apathetic and habitual voters would tolerate such extortionary rises. You get the government you deserve.

The Victorian Government introduced rate capping to restrict how much councils can raise their rates each year. In 2016, the Minister set the rate cap at 2.5%.
http://www.mav.asn.au/about-local-government/local-government-finance/Pages/council-rates-property-valuations.aspx

Garfield 8:26 am 28 Aug 16

If you go to the ACT Revenue Office calculators page, you can work out what Rates were from 2012/13 through to now. They’re not presented in neat little tables and only go back to the start of Barr’s tax reform, so we can’t calculate what Rates were like before then.

http://www.revenue.act.gov.au/duties-and-taxes/calculators

If you want to know the unimproved value of a specific property you can find that on All Homes. The Rates calculation uses an average of the last 3 valuations.

Other than the above, you may also be able to find proposed Rates tables in the budget papers.

Masquara 6:59 pm 27 Aug 16

It’s very unhelpful that the areas suffering the highest hikes are “big block” areas without wealthy home owners – yet the government won’t allow subdivision in much of the inner north. Subdividing and enabling people to keep their house would surely be the commonsense solution on all sorts of fronts: people not having to leave the area and can stay close to inner-city amenities as they age; urban infill without wrecking the inner-city streetscapes etc etc.

Masquara 6:10 pm 27 Aug 16

rommeldog56 said :

Do u mean “Water and Sewerage” rates or “Annual Rates”.

Different bills/things.

Annual rates.

Acton 2:53 pm 27 Aug 16

Andrew Barr would not be keen for us to see historic rates information just before the election. However there is a useful map in the link below which shows the percentage rate rises for each suburb over four years to 2015:
http://www.canberratimes.com.au/act-news/many-canberra-householders-paying-rates-bills-60-per-cent-higher-than-four-years-ago-20150603-ghfn1v

My own annual rate increases over the years reflect the increases we are all now paying:

2016-17 10.9%
2015-16 12.0%
2014-15 11.5%
2013-14 7.2%
2012-13 29.5%

Has your income gone up by 60% in four years to keep pace with ACT rates increases?

rommeldog56 10:41 am 27 Aug 16

Do u mean “Water and Sewerage” rates or “Annual Rates”. Different bills/things.

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