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Assembly Expansion moves forward

By johnboy - 8 August 2005 51

ABC Online is reporting on the Chief Minister setting the wheels in motion to expand the Assembly to either 21 or 25 members.

Wishfull thinking but I can only hope they examine single member electorates while they’re at it. Even if we got 18 ALP members at least they would be directly accountable to a specific electorate.

While I’m on the subject of wishlists a better system is needed to fill casual vacancies now that we’ve had four year terms foisted on us. The current system which re-visits long forgotten ballots to divine the next in line saw Jacqui Burke twice foisted on an unwilling electorate and a lot can change in three years.

UPDATED: The Canberra Times has now got coverage up. A beautifully typical Stanhope tanty about being Chief Minister of the Australian Capital Territory and not Lord High Poo-Baa of the Multiverse.

Mr Stanhope said yesterday he resented Commonwealth control of the ACT’s Parliament.

“It is anachronistic that after 16 years of self-government the Commonwealth is still deciding matters of importance to the ACT, such as the number of Members in the Legislative Assembly,” he said.

Can you imagine the indulgences they’d grant themselves if that check didn’t exist??

What’s Your opinion?


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51 Responses to
Assembly Expansion moves forward
areaman 1:07 pm 08 Aug 05

125. The seat of Government of the Commonwealth shall be determined by the Parliament, and shall be within territory which shall have been granted to or acquired by the Commonwealth, and shall be vested in and belong to the Commonwealth…

That still has nothing to do with the number of MLAs, both the ACT and the NT were given self government through acts of the federal parliment, the ACT one says how many members the parliment will have, my understanding is that the NT legislation doesn’t. It’s a simple as that.

my point is that as things stand votes cast long before and in possibly very different circumstances (maybe they left town and wrote a book about how much they hate canberra?) suddenly spring into action.

You actually have to renominate to be included in the count back, and if you’d done that I doubt you’d renominate.

johnboy 12:49 pm 08 Aug 05

I never said it would be cheap.

But democracy isn’t.

We could just elect a single chief minister every four years and let him/her take care of all the details.

or appoint one for life.

my point is that as things stand votes cast long before and in possibly very different circumstances (maybe they left town and wrote a book about how much they hate canberra?) suddenly spring into action.

Kerces 12:25 pm 08 Aug 05

I think Gungahlin and Woden shouldn’t be lumped in the same electorate. It just doesn’t make sense.

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Samuel Gordon-Stewar 12:24 pm 08 Aug 05

A bi-election may be expensive, but it is more democratic than a countback. A MP/MLA/whatever other type of elected member you can think of, should be elected by the electorate at the time they are appointed to parliament, not some time beforehand. There should also be a restriction whereby a vacancy is not filled when there is only a short period of time until the next election (maybe 6-12 months).

I would be in favour of each member having their own electorate, the process would be slightly less brain-bending then.

Indi 12:01 pm 08 Aug 05

Out of curiosity – JB, so you are saying a bi-election makes more sense financially than filling a casual vacancy via a countback? Doesn’t appear to be too much logic inserted into that assertion as you could count on the average punter being dissatisfied with the prospect of forking out the $$$ to do so.

Doesn’t a countback maintain the integrity of the voting system that exists in the ACT?

yakz 11:41 am 08 Aug 05

I think Belconnen and Tuggeranong have the right to have the same number of represnetatives as the Molonglo electorate

johnboy 11:38 am 08 Aug 05

Ahem, Areaman,

125. The seat of Government of the Commonwealth shall be determined by the Parliament, and shall be within territory which shall have been granted to or acquired by the Commonwealth, and shall be vested in and belong to the Commonwealth…

You and your mates can re-aquaint yourselves with the document here.

The ACT belongs to the Commonwealth, that’s why it is different to the NT.

areaman 11:20 am 08 Aug 05

Bonfire, please the ACT is the least represented jurisdiction in the country, yet has to deal with both state and local issues. A part time council dealing with all those issues would be completely unworkable.

Spectra, I’d say that if both sides could agree on an option they could put a fair bit of pressure on the feds.

Ralph, it’s not a constitutional issue, it’s an issue with the ACT self goverment act. The NT, which you’d think would be in a similar situation doesn’t need an act of federal parliament to change how many MLAs it has.

Ralph 10:48 am 08 Aug 05

Someone give Stanhope a copy of the constitution. They have littled pocket sized ones.

Spectra 10:32 am 08 Aug 05

Looks like the expansion may be off anyway. I heard the territories minister on the radio this morning basically saying that it wasn’t going to happen. Which sounds like pretty much the end of that.

johnboy 10:18 am 08 Aug 05

have you also noticed how the assembly promoted themselves to a “parliament” on the sly?

http://www.parliament.act.gov.au/

bonfire 10:15 am 08 Aug 05

what a farce!

do away with ‘ministers’ altogether. what a joke. people – we are 300k strong.

we need a part time council, with professional administrators.

bulldog 9:08 am 08 Aug 05

Go for it JB.

I support this expansions simply becasue it increases my own odds of one day being able to holiday abroad under the guise of “building international relationships”.

I might build some relationships of my own in Las Vegas (In case we want to redevelope our casino), then maybe New Orleans (in case we want Mardi Gras to be part of our Mulitcultural Festival) and then Hawaii (so we can examine the feasability of building a tropical paradise in Majura).

Furthermore, if I get into public housing now; I can live there for ever on my eneormous pay packet without ever having to sign another mortgage again!

terubo 9:08 am 08 Aug 05

Time for a RiotACT Party Conference to elect our Candidates? Venue/date/time?

johnboy 8:48 am 08 Aug 05

On the other hand, if they keep the representation proportional, a RiotACT ticket would be in with some sort of chance come 2008.

(our 100% growth year on year has been quite reliable for some time now)

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