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Ballistics? Pfft… The Eastman Inquiry

By Diggety 4 February 2014 52

After a laborious resistance by poo covered parties on both sides trying to delay or deny this inquiry, here’s a bit:

An international ballistics expert has contradicted key evidence that a silencer was used in the 1989 murder of the ACT’s police chief [Colin Winchester].

Suppression orders on new ballistics evidence at the inquiry into the murder conviction of David Harold Eastman have been lifted, despite lawyers for the original forensic investigator Robert Collins Barnes trying to have evidence against their client left out of the inquiry.
ABC News

Some of those ‘conspiracy nutters’ buzzing around the RiotACT may have had a point after all.

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Nylex_Clock 10:12 am 19 Mar 14

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/nation/mafia-certainly-killed-afp-assistant-commissioner-colin-winchester/story-e6frg6nf-1226583913566#

“Vincenzo Macri, former deputy chief of the National Anti-Mafia Directorate in Italy, said he believed Winchester was “certainly” murdered by the Calabrian organised crime group known as the ‘Ndrangheta, adding that he based his belief mainly on Australian police sources.”

bundah 8:55 am 27 Feb 14

Update: Rick Ninness says that Eastman was not driven mad by surveillance. No shit Sherlock given he had already lost the plot years ago.

http://www.canberratimes.com.au/act-news/eastman-not-driven-mad-by-surveillance-head-investigator-20140226-33i0p.html

Nylex_Clock 6:28 am 11 Feb 14

Antagonist said :

The plot thickens …

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-02-10/key-witness-questioned-over-gun-he-carried-in-eastmans-car/5250486

“Counsel assisting the inquiry Liesl Chapman has repeatedly questioned Mr Smith about why he never previously said anything about the gun.”

So Mr Smith’s evidence is up there with the AFP’s key late “witness” statement somehow placing Eastman in Klarenbeek’s street from memory 3 years after the event?

“Irish ballistics expert James Wallace “…hmmm….would it help at all to point out that he is *Northern* Irish? That he worked here…
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/damage-in-huge-blast-put-at-20m-pounds-a-belfast-housing-estate-counts-the-cost-of-an-ira-bomb-which-may-have-destroyed-vital-criminal-evidence-1553481.html?

Puts him ever-so-slightly higher on the credibility stakes than our mate Barnes, and the courts haven’t found Wallace to be responsible for giving dodgy evidence, like our mate Barnes has:
http://www.canberratimes.com.au/act-news/crucial-evidence-used-in-eastman-trial-came-from-expert-sacked-in-victoria-20121106-28wod.html

What this inquiry also needs now, is a *full* investigation into Lloyd Worthy, Ric Ninness, and Winchester’s activities in the years preceding and succeeding Winchester’s murder. The AFP remains Australia’s least oversighted police force and still needs cleaning up.

Nylex_Clock 6:16 am 11 Feb 14

LSWCHP said :

Spiral said :

CraigT said :

Hopefully he’ll stick to persecuting lawyers.

He never has stuck to that.

Before this case he was one of the most unpleasant people in Canberra and terrorised heaps of people.

If he gets out he will be cashed up, probably nastier than ever before and the police will be too scared to touch him.

Eastman getting out will not be a good thing for the people of Canberra.

I’ve heard many stories about what a hardarse Eastman is. The impression I have is that he relies on normal people being intimidated by displays of aggression, and occasionally by actual acts of violence. The violent acts are usually against people who can’t respond such as public servants in the workplace, or against non-threatening targets such as small women.

I think Eastman is now so well known, and his behaviour patterns are so well understood that if he gets out then he’ll be shut down by the community and the cops. What I mean is that at the first sign of trouble from him people will arc up and call in the plod or take matters into their own hands. Life will just be too hard for him to carry on merrily threatening, harassing and abusing people as he has in the past.

If I ran across him and he threatened me or my family or friends I’d just biff him and that would be the end of it.

Sounds like a bad idea.
Eastman is a big bloke, but, more importantly, he has the massive advantage of being nuts.
Best to stay under his radar.
If ever I end up again having to have contact with Eastman, I will drop whatever it is that caused that contact and move on to something else, up to and including quitting my job.
It’s just not worth it, especially if he is a violent killer (unlikely, not proven by the police mis-investifgation, but still possible).

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd 11:40 pm 10 Feb 14

LSWCHP said :

Spiral said :

CraigT said :

Hopefully he’ll stick to persecuting lawyers.

He never has stuck to that.

Before this case he was one of the most unpleasant people in Canberra and terrorised heaps of people.

If he gets out he will be cashed up, probably nastier than ever before and the police will be too scared to touch him.

Eastman getting out will not be a good thing for the people of Canberra.

I’ve heard many stories about what a hardarse Eastman is. The impression I have is that he relies on normal people being intimidated by displays of aggression, and occasionally by actual acts of violence. The violent acts are usually against people who can’t respond such as public servants in the workplace, or against non-threatening targets such as small women.

I think Eastman is now so well known, and his behaviour patterns are so well understood that if he gets out then he’ll be shut down by the community and the cops. What I mean is that at the first sign of trouble from him people will arc up and call in the plod or take matters into their own hands. Life will just be too hard for him to carry on merrily threatening, harassing and abusing people as he has in the past.

If I ran across him and he threatened me or my family or friends I’d just biff him and that would be the end of it.

I was thinking the same. But hey, at least he still has his flat, right?

LSWCHP 8:36 pm 10 Feb 14

Spiral said :

CraigT said :

Hopefully he’ll stick to persecuting lawyers.

He never has stuck to that.

Before this case he was one of the most unpleasant people in Canberra and terrorised heaps of people.

If he gets out he will be cashed up, probably nastier than ever before and the police will be too scared to touch him.

Eastman getting out will not be a good thing for the people of Canberra.

I’ve heard many stories about what a hardarse Eastman is. The impression I have is that he relies on normal people being intimidated by displays of aggression, and occasionally by actual acts of violence. The violent acts are usually against people who can’t respond such as public servants in the workplace, or against non-threatening targets such as small women.

I think Eastman is now so well known, and his behaviour patterns are so well understood that if he gets out then he’ll be shut down by the community and the cops. What I mean is that at the first sign of trouble from him people will arc up and call in the plod or take matters into their own hands. Life will just be too hard for him to carry on merrily threatening, harassing and abusing people as he has in the past.

If I ran across him and he threatened me or my family or friends I’d just biff him and that would be the end of it.

bundah 2:30 pm 10 Feb 14

dungfungus said :

bundah said :

Tooks said :

Masquara said :

CraigT said :

Tooks said :

(no conspiracy nut has ever offered a sensible solution as to why police would want to pin it on someone else rather than the real killer).

So, who ran the investigation, Tooks?
Why would he want a convenient nutter pinged for it rather than a proper investigation into the AFPs’ dealings with organised crime?
Is your question answered, or do you not know much about him?

And they sure picked the right nutter – very, very angry and unstable, alienates everyone who comes within his orbit, loses all sympathy – but I absolutely don’t think he would have been capable of a killing that involved this much planning, resourcing and expertise. I believe Eastman is innocent. And soon we will all have to dig very deep to help pay his compensation. Thanks, AFP !

Another person parroting crap they heard elsewhere. Eastman – who is indisputably an extremely intelligent person – wasn’t capable of looking up an address on the electoral roll, sourcing a firearm, then running up like a coward and shooting him? Ummm, okay.

Exactly, it’s not rocket science. It’s close to 21:00 hours and dark, you know that Winchester will be arriving home soon so you wait, hidden away in the bushes. Winchester arrives and just as he’s opening the door to get out you pounce firing two shots both striking him in the head. You then run off jump in your car and make a getaway. Eastman was more than capable of committing the crime, no professionalism required,

How did the murderer know the victim “would be arriving home soon”?
The police appear not to have investigated a lot of “bad blood” between the victim and his extended family. It is more likely the victim was followed home from Queanbeyan and then shot. It is likely more than one person was involved.

The obvious answer to that is surveillance. If I intended to take someone out it would be under the cover of darkness and it’s understandable that the second most senior cop would work long hours. So the obvious thing to do is either follow him home or wait nearby his home and monitor his arrival times.

As for the motivation to kill him sparked by ‘bad blood’ I consider that highly unlikely and so did the investigators.

Spiral 1:28 pm 10 Feb 14

CraigT said :

Hopefully he’ll stick to persecuting lawyers.

He never has stuck to that.

Before this case he was one of the most unpleasant people in Canberra and terrorised heaps of people.

If he gets out he will be cashed up, probably nastier than ever before and the police will be too scared to touch him.

Eastman getting out will not be a good thing for the people of Canberra.

dungfungus 1:17 pm 10 Feb 14

CraigT said :

Tooks said :

More conspiracy nonsense. Eastman threatened to kill him and on the day he found out assault charges against him weren’t getting dropped; he went through with his threat.

The mafia that considered Winchester to have ripped them off *also* promised to kill him. On the very evening Winchester was murdered two young Ndrangheta employees who had arrived in Australia a couple of weeks previously happened to pass through Canberra, driving back up to Sydney and flying out within hours.

Is that proof they did it? If we all suffered from Tooks’ absurd understanding of Justice, it would be ample proof.

But let’s see – who’s the more credible threat: disgruntled pube or organised crime gang?
Who has a history of killing people? Eastman? who threatened just about everybody he ever came in contact with, none of whom ended up dead, or an Italian mafia gang, known to have murdered hundreds of people including members of the judiciary and cops?

So, why would the guy who was running the Winchester investigation go to so much trouble to completely ignore any other investigation than the convenient nutter angle?

You’re living in a pathetic fantasy-world of denial, Tooks. Even if Eastman *did* do it, the AFP investigation was corrupt and incompetent and their fitting-up of Eastman was dishonest and utterly unprofessional.

It is now accepted fact that the ballistics “evidence” was a load of utter rubbish, produced by a serial producer of paid-for prosecutorial disinformation.

What’s left?

Are we going to talk about the person who provided a statement – 3 years after the fact – to the effect that he suddenly recalled seeing Eastman in a particular street, on a particular day, thus lending weight to the AFP’s insistence that Eastman bought the Ruger, this despite the Ruger’s seller denying that the buyer looked anything like Eastman?
Who gave this statement? Could he possibly have had a social connection with anybody connected with the police investigation? I wonder?

“….driving back up to Sydney and flying out within hours.”
Gee, it must have been a fast drive to Sydney to beat the airport curfew.

dungfungus 1:07 pm 10 Feb 14

Masquara said :

Testfest said :

@Tooks

“no conspiracy nut has ever offered a sensible solution as to why police would want to pin it on someone else rather than the real killer”

Apart from the obvious one you mean?

The ACT police chief had just been murdered. The pressure on the cops to make an arrest, and to make it fast would have been truly immense.

Is it really so difficult to conclude that under these circumstances the detectives would have latched onto the first viable candidate, even if he was innocent? Once they had charged Eastman with the murder, they could hardly drop the charges without looking like complete incompetents so would be forced to maintain the stance that they have got their man.

Note – I don’t actually think this is what happened, I am just playing devil’s advocate and offering a reason why they would pin it on someone else other than the real killer… and so a conspiracy is born.

The cops knew exactly who was responsible. They just weren’t going to go there. Too many fingers in the local “industry” pie.

bingo

CraigT 10:14 am 10 Feb 14

bundah said :

Some of you with an open mind may like to peruse the following and draw your own conclusions:

http://www.courts.act.gov.au/supreme/sentence/view/1233/title/r-v-eastman

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/law-order/the-man-convicted-of-murdering-top-cop-colin-winchester-could-be-freed-amid-claims-the-mafia-were-behind-the-assassination/story-fni0ffnk-1226757601749

The judicial inquiry should be completed by May/June so there will be many, looking forward to the outcome with great interest.

Great.

Eastman, made even crankier by being unjustly locked up for 20 years, returns to Canberra’s streets.

Hopefully he’ll stick to persecuting lawyers.

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