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Ballistics? Pfft… The Eastman Inquiry

Diggety 4 February 2014 52

After a laborious resistance by poo covered parties on both sides trying to delay or deny this inquiry, here’s a bit:

An international ballistics expert has contradicted key evidence that a silencer was used in the 1989 murder of the ACT’s police chief [Colin Winchester].

Suppression orders on new ballistics evidence at the inquiry into the murder conviction of David Harold Eastman have been lifted, despite lawyers for the original forensic investigator Robert Collins Barnes trying to have evidence against their client left out of the inquiry.
ABC News

Some of those ‘conspiracy nutters’ buzzing around the RiotACT may have had a point after all.


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Nylex_Clock Nylex_Clock 10:12 am 19 Mar 14

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/nation/mafia-certainly-killed-afp-assistant-commissioner-colin-winchester/story-e6frg6nf-1226583913566#

“Vincenzo Macri, former deputy chief of the National Anti-Mafia Directorate in Italy, said he believed Winchester was “certainly” murdered by the Calabrian organised crime group known as the ‘Ndrangheta, adding that he based his belief mainly on Australian police sources.”

bundah bundah 8:55 am 27 Feb 14

Update: Rick Ninness says that Eastman was not driven mad by surveillance. No shit Sherlock given he had already lost the plot years ago.

http://www.canberratimes.com.au/act-news/eastman-not-driven-mad-by-surveillance-head-investigator-20140226-33i0p.html

Nylex_Clock Nylex_Clock 6:28 am 11 Feb 14

Antagonist said :

The plot thickens …

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-02-10/key-witness-questioned-over-gun-he-carried-in-eastmans-car/5250486

“Counsel assisting the inquiry Liesl Chapman has repeatedly questioned Mr Smith about why he never previously said anything about the gun.”

So Mr Smith’s evidence is up there with the AFP’s key late “witness” statement somehow placing Eastman in Klarenbeek’s street from memory 3 years after the event?

“Irish ballistics expert James Wallace “…hmmm….would it help at all to point out that he is *Northern* Irish? That he worked here…
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/damage-in-huge-blast-put-at-20m-pounds-a-belfast-housing-estate-counts-the-cost-of-an-ira-bomb-which-may-have-destroyed-vital-criminal-evidence-1553481.html?

Puts him ever-so-slightly higher on the credibility stakes than our mate Barnes, and the courts haven’t found Wallace to be responsible for giving dodgy evidence, like our mate Barnes has:
http://www.canberratimes.com.au/act-news/crucial-evidence-used-in-eastman-trial-came-from-expert-sacked-in-victoria-20121106-28wod.html

What this inquiry also needs now, is a *full* investigation into Lloyd Worthy, Ric Ninness, and Winchester’s activities in the years preceding and succeeding Winchester’s murder. The AFP remains Australia’s least oversighted police force and still needs cleaning up.

Nylex_Clock Nylex_Clock 6:16 am 11 Feb 14

LSWCHP said :

Spiral said :

CraigT said :

Hopefully he’ll stick to persecuting lawyers.

He never has stuck to that.

Before this case he was one of the most unpleasant people in Canberra and terrorised heaps of people.

If he gets out he will be cashed up, probably nastier than ever before and the police will be too scared to touch him.

Eastman getting out will not be a good thing for the people of Canberra.

I’ve heard many stories about what a hardarse Eastman is. The impression I have is that he relies on normal people being intimidated by displays of aggression, and occasionally by actual acts of violence. The violent acts are usually against people who can’t respond such as public servants in the workplace, or against non-threatening targets such as small women.

I think Eastman is now so well known, and his behaviour patterns are so well understood that if he gets out then he’ll be shut down by the community and the cops. What I mean is that at the first sign of trouble from him people will arc up and call in the plod or take matters into their own hands. Life will just be too hard for him to carry on merrily threatening, harassing and abusing people as he has in the past.

If I ran across him and he threatened me or my family or friends I’d just biff him and that would be the end of it.

Sounds like a bad idea.
Eastman is a big bloke, but, more importantly, he has the massive advantage of being nuts.
Best to stay under his radar.
If ever I end up again having to have contact with Eastman, I will drop whatever it is that caused that contact and move on to something else, up to and including quitting my job.
It’s just not worth it, especially if he is a violent killer (unlikely, not proven by the police mis-investifgation, but still possible).

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd 11:40 pm 10 Feb 14

LSWCHP said :

Spiral said :

CraigT said :

Hopefully he’ll stick to persecuting lawyers.

He never has stuck to that.

Before this case he was one of the most unpleasant people in Canberra and terrorised heaps of people.

If he gets out he will be cashed up, probably nastier than ever before and the police will be too scared to touch him.

Eastman getting out will not be a good thing for the people of Canberra.

I’ve heard many stories about what a hardarse Eastman is. The impression I have is that he relies on normal people being intimidated by displays of aggression, and occasionally by actual acts of violence. The violent acts are usually against people who can’t respond such as public servants in the workplace, or against non-threatening targets such as small women.

I think Eastman is now so well known, and his behaviour patterns are so well understood that if he gets out then he’ll be shut down by the community and the cops. What I mean is that at the first sign of trouble from him people will arc up and call in the plod or take matters into their own hands. Life will just be too hard for him to carry on merrily threatening, harassing and abusing people as he has in the past.

If I ran across him and he threatened me or my family or friends I’d just biff him and that would be the end of it.

I was thinking the same. But hey, at least he still has his flat, right?

LSWCHP LSWCHP 8:36 pm 10 Feb 14

Spiral said :

CraigT said :

Hopefully he’ll stick to persecuting lawyers.

He never has stuck to that.

Before this case he was one of the most unpleasant people in Canberra and terrorised heaps of people.

If he gets out he will be cashed up, probably nastier than ever before and the police will be too scared to touch him.

Eastman getting out will not be a good thing for the people of Canberra.

I’ve heard many stories about what a hardarse Eastman is. The impression I have is that he relies on normal people being intimidated by displays of aggression, and occasionally by actual acts of violence. The violent acts are usually against people who can’t respond such as public servants in the workplace, or against non-threatening targets such as small women.

I think Eastman is now so well known, and his behaviour patterns are so well understood that if he gets out then he’ll be shut down by the community and the cops. What I mean is that at the first sign of trouble from him people will arc up and call in the plod or take matters into their own hands. Life will just be too hard for him to carry on merrily threatening, harassing and abusing people as he has in the past.

If I ran across him and he threatened me or my family or friends I’d just biff him and that would be the end of it.

bundah bundah 2:30 pm 10 Feb 14

dungfungus said :

bundah said :

Tooks said :

Masquara said :

CraigT said :

Tooks said :

(no conspiracy nut has ever offered a sensible solution as to why police would want to pin it on someone else rather than the real killer).

So, who ran the investigation, Tooks?
Why would he want a convenient nutter pinged for it rather than a proper investigation into the AFPs’ dealings with organised crime?
Is your question answered, or do you not know much about him?

And they sure picked the right nutter – very, very angry and unstable, alienates everyone who comes within his orbit, loses all sympathy – but I absolutely don’t think he would have been capable of a killing that involved this much planning, resourcing and expertise. I believe Eastman is innocent. And soon we will all have to dig very deep to help pay his compensation. Thanks, AFP !

Another person parroting crap they heard elsewhere. Eastman – who is indisputably an extremely intelligent person – wasn’t capable of looking up an address on the electoral roll, sourcing a firearm, then running up like a coward and shooting him? Ummm, okay.

Exactly, it’s not rocket science. It’s close to 21:00 hours and dark, you know that Winchester will be arriving home soon so you wait, hidden away in the bushes. Winchester arrives and just as he’s opening the door to get out you pounce firing two shots both striking him in the head. You then run off jump in your car and make a getaway. Eastman was more than capable of committing the crime, no professionalism required,

How did the murderer know the victim “would be arriving home soon”?
The police appear not to have investigated a lot of “bad blood” between the victim and his extended family. It is more likely the victim was followed home from Queanbeyan and then shot. It is likely more than one person was involved.

The obvious answer to that is surveillance. If I intended to take someone out it would be under the cover of darkness and it’s understandable that the second most senior cop would work long hours. So the obvious thing to do is either follow him home or wait nearby his home and monitor his arrival times.

As for the motivation to kill him sparked by ‘bad blood’ I consider that highly unlikely and so did the investigators.

Spiral Spiral 1:28 pm 10 Feb 14

CraigT said :

Hopefully he’ll stick to persecuting lawyers.

He never has stuck to that.

Before this case he was one of the most unpleasant people in Canberra and terrorised heaps of people.

If he gets out he will be cashed up, probably nastier than ever before and the police will be too scared to touch him.

Eastman getting out will not be a good thing for the people of Canberra.

dungfungus dungfungus 1:17 pm 10 Feb 14

CraigT said :

Tooks said :

More conspiracy nonsense. Eastman threatened to kill him and on the day he found out assault charges against him weren’t getting dropped; he went through with his threat.

The mafia that considered Winchester to have ripped them off *also* promised to kill him. On the very evening Winchester was murdered two young Ndrangheta employees who had arrived in Australia a couple of weeks previously happened to pass through Canberra, driving back up to Sydney and flying out within hours.

Is that proof they did it? If we all suffered from Tooks’ absurd understanding of Justice, it would be ample proof.

But let’s see – who’s the more credible threat: disgruntled pube or organised crime gang?
Who has a history of killing people? Eastman? who threatened just about everybody he ever came in contact with, none of whom ended up dead, or an Italian mafia gang, known to have murdered hundreds of people including members of the judiciary and cops?

So, why would the guy who was running the Winchester investigation go to so much trouble to completely ignore any other investigation than the convenient nutter angle?

You’re living in a pathetic fantasy-world of denial, Tooks. Even if Eastman *did* do it, the AFP investigation was corrupt and incompetent and their fitting-up of Eastman was dishonest and utterly unprofessional.

It is now accepted fact that the ballistics “evidence” was a load of utter rubbish, produced by a serial producer of paid-for prosecutorial disinformation.

What’s left?

Are we going to talk about the person who provided a statement – 3 years after the fact – to the effect that he suddenly recalled seeing Eastman in a particular street, on a particular day, thus lending weight to the AFP’s insistence that Eastman bought the Ruger, this despite the Ruger’s seller denying that the buyer looked anything like Eastman?
Who gave this statement? Could he possibly have had a social connection with anybody connected with the police investigation? I wonder?

“….driving back up to Sydney and flying out within hours.”
Gee, it must have been a fast drive to Sydney to beat the airport curfew.

dungfungus dungfungus 1:07 pm 10 Feb 14

Masquara said :

Testfest said :

@Tooks

“no conspiracy nut has ever offered a sensible solution as to why police would want to pin it on someone else rather than the real killer”

Apart from the obvious one you mean?

The ACT police chief had just been murdered. The pressure on the cops to make an arrest, and to make it fast would have been truly immense.

Is it really so difficult to conclude that under these circumstances the detectives would have latched onto the first viable candidate, even if he was innocent? Once they had charged Eastman with the murder, they could hardly drop the charges without looking like complete incompetents so would be forced to maintain the stance that they have got their man.

Note – I don’t actually think this is what happened, I am just playing devil’s advocate and offering a reason why they would pin it on someone else other than the real killer… and so a conspiracy is born.

The cops knew exactly who was responsible. They just weren’t going to go there. Too many fingers in the local “industry” pie.

bingo

CraigT CraigT 10:14 am 10 Feb 14

bundah said :

Some of you with an open mind may like to peruse the following and draw your own conclusions:

http://www.courts.act.gov.au/supreme/sentence/view/1233/title/r-v-eastman

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/law-order/the-man-convicted-of-murdering-top-cop-colin-winchester-could-be-freed-amid-claims-the-mafia-were-behind-the-assassination/story-fni0ffnk-1226757601749

The judicial inquiry should be completed by May/June so there will be many, looking forward to the outcome with great interest.

Great.

Eastman, made even crankier by being unjustly locked up for 20 years, returns to Canberra’s streets.

Hopefully he’ll stick to persecuting lawyers.

CraigT CraigT 10:12 am 10 Feb 14

troll-sniffer said :

Yep that’s right Tooks, you are the only person in town who truly understands the case, everyone else is either ignorant, wrong, misguided or a fool.

Tooks is in denial.

Like people who assume innocence when a member of their favourite footy team gets involved in a brawl – some people will never ever believe the evidence if it contradicts their faith.

CraigT CraigT 10:10 am 10 Feb 14

Tooks said :

More conspiracy nonsense. Eastman threatened to kill him and on the day he found out assault charges against him weren’t getting dropped; he went through with his threat.

The mafia that considered Winchester to have ripped them off *also* promised to kill him. On the very evening Winchester was murdered two young Ndrangheta employees who had arrived in Australia a couple of weeks previously happened to pass through Canberra, driving back up to Sydney and flying out within hours.

Is that proof they did it? If we all suffered from Tooks’ absurd understanding of Justice, it would be ample proof.

But let’s see – who’s the more credible threat: disgruntled pube or organised crime gang?
Who has a history of killing people? Eastman? who threatened just about everybody he ever came in contact with, none of whom ended up dead, or an Italian mafia gang, known to have murdered hundreds of people including members of the judiciary and cops?

So, why would the guy who was running the Winchester investigation go to so much trouble to completely ignore any other investigation than the convenient nutter angle?

You’re living in a pathetic fantasy-world of denial, Tooks. Even if Eastman *did* do it, the AFP investigation was corrupt and incompetent and their fitting-up of Eastman was dishonest and utterly unprofessional.

It is now accepted fact that the ballistics “evidence” was a load of utter rubbish, produced by a serial producer of paid-for prosecutorial disinformation.

What’s left?

Are we going to talk about the person who provided a statement – 3 years after the fact – to the effect that he suddenly recalled seeing Eastman in a particular street, on a particular day, thus lending weight to the AFP’s insistence that Eastman bought the Ruger, this despite the Ruger’s seller denying that the buyer looked anything like Eastman?
Who gave this statement? Could he possibly have had a social connection with anybody connected with the police investigation? I wonder?

dungfungus dungfungus 8:44 am 10 Feb 14

bundah said :

Tooks said :

Masquara said :

CraigT said :

Tooks said :

(no conspiracy nut has ever offered a sensible solution as to why police would want to pin it on someone else rather than the real killer).

So, who ran the investigation, Tooks?
Why would he want a convenient nutter pinged for it rather than a proper investigation into the AFPs’ dealings with organised crime?
Is your question answered, or do you not know much about him?

And they sure picked the right nutter – very, very angry and unstable, alienates everyone who comes within his orbit, loses all sympathy – but I absolutely don’t think he would have been capable of a killing that involved this much planning, resourcing and expertise. I believe Eastman is innocent. And soon we will all have to dig very deep to help pay his compensation. Thanks, AFP !

Another person parroting crap they heard elsewhere. Eastman – who is indisputably an extremely intelligent person – wasn’t capable of looking up an address on the electoral roll, sourcing a firearm, then running up like a coward and shooting him? Ummm, okay.

Exactly, it’s not rocket science. It’s close to 21:00 hours and dark, you know that Winchester will be arriving home soon so you wait, hidden away in the bushes. Winchester arrives and just as he’s opening the door to get out you pounce firing two shots both striking him in the head. You then run off jump in your car and make a getaway. Eastman was more than capable of committing the crime, no professionalism required,

How did the murderer know the victim “would be arriving home soon”?
The police appear not to have investigated a lot of “bad blood” between the victim and his extended family. It is more likely the victim was followed home from Queanbeyan and then shot. It is likely more than one person was involved.

troll-sniffer troll-sniffer 11:16 pm 09 Feb 14

Tooks said :

troll-sniffer said :

Tooks said :

Nylex_Clock said :

Grimm said :

bundah said :

From a ballistics markings context would a silencer change anything?

No.
If the projectile is marked by the suppressor, that means it is coming into contact with the baffles. That would be a pretty serious problem, generally resulting in the suppressor flying off or coming apart and becoming a projectile of its own. The projectile also exits ahead of any gasses captured by the suppressor, so that wouldn’t even leave any markings.

I would be very interested to hear how the conclusion that a suppressor was used was ever made. Very, very interested.

I think the police had to write off the purported gunshots heard by a witness as this didn’t fit in with their version of events, hence the need to assert a silencer was used.
Not as dodgy as the “witness” who saw Eastman “buying the rifle”, but all part of the general dodginess of the “Eastman did it” scenario.

Eastman did do it. Anyone who has a modicum of common sense and who actually studied the evidence in a bit of detail will come to the same conclusion. This joke of an inquiry will come to nothing and hopefully put all the conspiracy nuts to rest.

As far as defence trying to discredit expert evidence, that happens in every major trial. They had their chance and they blew it. This topic has well and truly been done to death. No conspiracy involved, just a well known nutter who threatened to kill Winchester and made good on that threat (no conspiracy nut has ever offered a sensible solution as to why police would want to pin it on someone else rather than the real killer).

I feel sorry for the family of the victim who have to go through this shit year after year.

Ummm I’ve got commonsense in bucketloads and I’ve studied the transcripts and I have always held the view that it was extremely unlikely that Eastman ever did the crime. So, your broad generalisation is nothing more than empty words sunshine.

I would venture further to say in the same generalising vein, that anyone who knows anything about methods, motives and behaviours of individuals would categorically think that the chances of a lone public servant like David Eastman shooting Winchester in the way it was done are next to zero, especially when you take the alternative far more credible options that relate to the murky worlds that Winchester had entered. But that’s OK sunshine, I’m sure each time DNA evidence frees another framed prisoner in the US you probably shake your head and deny the likelihood that juries and the prosecuting behemoth could ever get it wrong either.

I stopped reading as soon as you started the condescending ‘sunshine’ crap. You haven’t studied the transcripts, you have no idea about the case, and you don’t deserve any further response. Sunshine.

Yep that’s right Tooks, you are the only person in town who truly understands the case, everyone else is either ignorant, wrong, misguided or a fool. Not sure which category you’ve placed me in but I wear my newly discovered mortality with pride, while you continue to consort with the gods and look down upon we mere mortals with the disdain we deserve.

bundah bundah 7:05 pm 09 Feb 14

Some of you with an open mind may like to peruse the following and draw your own conclusions:

http://www.courts.act.gov.au/supreme/sentence/view/1233/title/r-v-eastman

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/law-order/the-man-convicted-of-murdering-top-cop-colin-winchester-could-be-freed-amid-claims-the-mafia-were-behind-the-assassination/story-fni0ffnk-1226757601749

The judicial inquiry should be completed by May/June so there will be many, looking forward to the outcome with great interest.

bundah bundah 6:31 pm 09 Feb 14

Tooks said :

Masquara said :

CraigT said :

Tooks said :

(no conspiracy nut has ever offered a sensible solution as to why police would want to pin it on someone else rather than the real killer).

So, who ran the investigation, Tooks?
Why would he want a convenient nutter pinged for it rather than a proper investigation into the AFPs’ dealings with organised crime?
Is your question answered, or do you not know much about him?

And they sure picked the right nutter – very, very angry and unstable, alienates everyone who comes within his orbit, loses all sympathy – but I absolutely don’t think he would have been capable of a killing that involved this much planning, resourcing and expertise. I believe Eastman is innocent. And soon we will all have to dig very deep to help pay his compensation. Thanks, AFP !

Another person parroting crap they heard elsewhere. Eastman – who is indisputably an extremely intelligent person – wasn’t capable of looking up an address on the electoral roll, sourcing a firearm, then running up like a coward and shooting him? Ummm, okay.

Exactly, it’s not rocket science. It’s close to 21:00 hours and dark, you know that Winchester will be arriving home soon so you wait, hidden away in the bushes. Winchester arrives and just as he’s opening the door to get out you pounce firing two shots both striking him in the head. You then run off jump in your car and make a getaway. Eastman was more than capable of committing the crime, no professionalism required,

Pork Hunt Pork Hunt 5:35 pm 09 Feb 14

Tooks said :

Nylex Clock:

What evidence?
There wasn’t any.

I almost stopped replying after this. If you haven’t even done the most basic research into this case, then it’s hardly worth continuing. However, being the glutton for punishment that I am, I’ll keep going. No evidence? LOL. That is moronic, to say the least. Thankfully, you weren’t on the jury.

The only direct evidence to ever appear in this case was when the seller of the supposed murder weapon stated that its buyer looked nothing like David Eastman.

Again, another nonsensical comment showing you haven’t studied this case AT ALL. I can now tell that you are just parroting conspiracy theories that you’ve read/heard.

The AFP got a bee in their bonnet about one particular individual and they failed to investigate the crime. Instead, they put their resources into manufacturing a case that turned out to not exist.

More conspiracy nonsense. Eastman threatened to kill him and on the day he found out assault charges against him weren’t getting dropped; he went through with his threat.

Eastman was never pinned at the scene or with the weapon.

Neither was Ivan Milat or pretty much every serial killer in this country. Perhaps they’re all innocent too.

This is why the AFP hired a head-doctor to advise them on how to push Eastman over the edge so he would act like a lunatic and turn off the jury.

Every murder investigation would have a ‘head doctor’ advising on how best to deal with a suspect. The rest of your comment is just conjecture. Based on absolutely nothing.

It’s also why Eastman was out on bail for so long – the case against him was so weak they couldn’t even justify locking him up.

Go and read the bail act. Many alleged murderers are on bail for long periods of time. Have a look at recent cases (Massey and Yuen come to mind immediately – both extremely strong cases, one of which resulting in a guilty plea). Got nothing to do with a weak case. Again, you’re showing your ignorance of the law.

Stating “Eastman did it” is not the issue here and smacks of ignorance and a basic disregard for the purpose of our legal system.

But saying “Eastman didn’t do it” (which is what you were clearly implying) doesn’t smack of ignorance and a basic disregard for the purpose of our legal system?

Was it proven he did it?

Yes, it was. Beyond a reasonable doubt (which is the required burden of proof in our country) by a jury instructed by a judge. At this point in time, none of the evidence has been discredited..

Who had their chance? The nutter who was incapable of providing a defence?

What, pretending he was nuts to try to get acquitted? Backfired on him, didn’t it?

(no conspiracy nut has ever offered a sensible solution as to why police would want to pin it on someone else rather than the real killer).

No, of course not – the Guildford 4 never happened, the Birmingham 6 never happened, and nobody has ever been fitted up by the police out of laziness, corruption, incompetence or malice. Never ever ever.

They all happened in Canberra did they? Predictably, you ignored my comment and went on a ridiculous rant about foreign cases, as if they have any relevance whatsoever.

In conclusion, you’ve offered nothing but even more idiotic conspiracy nonsense. When this inquiry comes to nothing for this Eastman maggot, I’m sure it won’t change your mind, so it’s not even worth discussing with you – or any other like minded people on this site – further.

I will pop in once the inquiry is over to say nyah nyah, I told you so. See you then.

I don’t see the point of having a dig at British cases where the accused were framed. Isn’t the British way of doing things where our system of law and investigative procedures have evolved from!

Masquara Masquara 4:54 pm 09 Feb 14

bundah said :

astrojax said :

bundah said :

From a ballistics markings context would a silencer change anything?

it’d be a little quieter..?

I’m tempted to make Winchester puns but that would be in poor taste…

No, please do!

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