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Bowen Place upgrade back on track

By johnboy 19 September 2012 35

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The ABC has a story on the cash strapped National Capital Authority being told to also put an underpass onto Bowen Place making the lake loop significantly safer.

For reason not entirely clear to us this has prompted Pedal Power to declare Katy Gallagher the winner of the upcoming election and congratulate her on operating Simon Crean like a sock puppet

[Photo Courtesy Pedal Power]


UPDATE: Pedal power have forwarded the joint Gallagher/Crean media release:

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KB1971 9:40 am 21 Sep 12

wildturkeycanoe said :

KB1971 said :

wildturkeycanoe said :

I really hope the cyclist’s lobby recognizes the impost on our already promised tripled housing rates for their pure cycling enjoyment!!!! If I was asked to contribute, I would NOT, but the government seems hell bent on taxing me to pay for the little luxuries that our two-wheeled “friends” keep receiving.

You dont get out & about much do you?

80% of the traffic on that part of the shared paths is pedestrian.

You don’t read real good, do ya. I don’t see “pedestrian power” giving their thumbs up to this, only the cycling group whom I am having a go at. If this was purely a pedestrian issue, why is Pedal Power so pleased? This pathway is the same one that leads to Kingston foreshore and its associated cycling infrastructure. So only 20% are cyclists? Only 20% of replies here think its a good idea as well.

Hahahaha, you are funny. The only pedestrian group I know of is the Pedestrin Council in Sydney which has only one active member, Harlod Scruby ( a quick google of “pedestrian lobby groups in the ACT” just confirmed this).

I am sure if there was a pedestrian power they would be releasing a statement too about the pending underpass.

This crossing is NOT the same pathway that leads to the Kingston forshore, that path runs alongside Bowen Dr and anyone, be it pedestrian or rider, can continue on their journey un-impeded.

The crossing that is the subject of this debate actually crosses the road to gain access to Kings ave bridge and is quite busy with cars and pedestrians. There are no white lines marked on the road to make drivers stop and the corner coming from Kingston is blind for people crossing, there is a high probability of someone being run over.

So why dont you actually contirbute to the debate rather than have a self serving dig at a group that are lobbying to help make facilities better for the wider community?

Most people here are realising that something must be done, the biggest issue people have is the cost.

wildturkeycanoe 5:41 am 21 Sep 12

KB1971 said :

wildturkeycanoe said :

I really hope the cyclist’s lobby recognizes the impost on our already promised tripled housing rates for their pure cycling enjoyment!!!! If I was asked to contribute, I would NOT, but the government seems hell bent on taxing me to pay for the little luxuries that our two-wheeled “friends” keep receiving.

You dont get out & about much do you?

80% of the traffic on that part of the shared paths is pedestrian.

You don’t read real good, do ya. I don’t see “pedestrian power” giving their thumbs up to this, only the cycling group whom I am having a go at. If this was purely a pedestrian issue, why is Pedal Power so pleased? This pathway is the same one that leads to Kingston foreshore and its associated cycling infrastructure. So only 20% are cyclists? Only 20% of replies here think its a good idea as well.

OpenYourMind 11:25 pm 20 Sep 12

Sgt.Bungers said :

Henry82 said :

Well it’s a dangerous crossing…. 10 million dollars dangerous? hmmmmmmmmmmm

Depending on which source you read, the (utterly insensitive) monitory value of a life lost in a car crash is between $1.5 million to $6 million. Source 1. Source 2.

Anyone who drives through Bowen Place on a regular basis will be well aware of the number of people who attempt to cross the road there. Now picture one motorist, blissfully ignorant of any sense of accountability, sporting an intelligent “I have right of way, the fksin peds shouldn’t be on the fkssving road” attitude, flying through Bowen Place at 70-80 km/h, colliding with and killing a family of four.

The costs of such an incident could exceed $10 million. Such an incident occurring is hardly far fetched.

The upgrade is well overdue.

Well said. I find the crossing dangerous on foot or on bike and I consider myself able bodied. The crossing is a natural part of the journey for most people including families and/or tourists doing a short loop of the lake.

The problem primarily comes from car drivers speeding around the bend from Kingston.

My vote is to close the road to cars completely, but if the crossing can’t be fixed quickly, some ruddy great speed bumps, a pedestrian crossing, some flashing lights and a chicane or two are needed to make the crossing safer. Alternatively drop the speed limit to 40 and set up a fixed speed camera.

PrinceOfAles 5:30 pm 20 Sep 12

KB1971 said :

Sgt.Bungers said :

gazket said :

People can get around or loop the lake without crossing Bowen PL

Where?

Jerrabomberra Wetlands…….. 😛

That`s about the only place I could think of. Something tells me gazket has never actually tried walking or riding around the lake.

KB1971 12:18 pm 20 Sep 12

Sgt.Bungers said :

gazket said :

People can get around or loop the lake without crossing Bowen PL

Where?

Jerrabomberra Wetlands…….. 😛

Sgt.Bungers said :

That crossing is incredibly dangerous in its current state.

I’ve seen a father move a bit further down towards the lake into a scouting position, then signal to his family who was attempting to cross the road when it was safe to do so.

You’d expect a parent to have to take that kind of measure to protect his family on a battlefield, not on an urban road ~1 km from parliament house in a first world country.

+1 – very difficult with a pram and small child.

Sgt.Bungers 11:11 am 20 Sep 12

gazket said :

People can get around or loop the lake without crossing Bowen PL

Where?

Sgt.Bungers 11:08 am 20 Sep 12

That crossing is incredibly dangerous in its current state.

I’ve seen a father move a bit further down towards the lake into a scouting position, then signal to his family who was attempting to cross the road when it was safe to do so.

You’d expect a parent to have to take that kind of measure to protect his family on a battlefield, not on an urban road ~1 km from parliament house in a first world country.

Sgt.Bungers 11:04 am 20 Sep 12

Henry82 said :

Well it’s a dangerous crossing…. 10 million dollars dangerous? hmmmmmmmmmmm

Depending on which source you read, the (utterly insensitive) monitory value of a life lost in a car crash is between $1.5 million to $6 million. Source 1. Source 2.

Anyone who drives through Bowen Place on a regular basis will be well aware of the number of people who attempt to cross the road there. Now picture one motorist, blissfully ignorant of any sense of accountability, sporting an intelligent “I have right of way, the fksin peds shouldn’t be on the fkssving road” attitude, flying through Bowen Place at 70-80 km/h, colliding with and killing a family of four.

The costs of such an incident could exceed $10 million. Such an incident occurring is hardly far fetched.

The upgrade is well overdue.

KB1971 10:53 am 20 Sep 12

wildturkeycanoe said :

I really hope the cyclist’s lobby recognizes the impost on our already promised tripled housing rates for their pure cycling enjoyment!!!! If I was asked to contribute, I would NOT, but the government seems hell bent on taxing me to pay for the little luxuries that our two-wheeled “friends” keep receiving.

You dont get out & about much do you?

80% of the traffic on that part of the shared paths is pedestrian.

KB1971 10:50 am 20 Sep 12

c_c said :

KB1971 said :

I dont know why we need an underpass, why not just loop a skybridge from the bike path to the side of the Kings Ave bridge. Or just an overpass pedestrian bridge like the rest of Canberra.

Really?

It has to do with what will have the least impact on the landscape while offering the most utility for users. Underpass is an elegant solution. Any sort of over pass not only creates an eye sore visually, but will no doubt need to be caged to prevent rock throwers, creating an even greater eye sore.

Yep really, the location is not that picturesque anyway and underpasses can be horrible places at night.

My thoughts are a bridge making an arc form the existing shared path to the side of Kings Ave bridge so it doesnt go over the road anyway.

Mind you, it would probably end up costing as much with the way the tender process is conducted.

BTW, there is nothing stopping people throwing rocks onto cars on Bowen Dve from Kings Ave ATM & if you had not noticed, there is a bloody big eysore of a bridge in the local area already.

c_c 10:15 am 20 Sep 12

damien haas said :

I made a submission over a year ago, suggesting that instead of spending 10 million dollars and building an underpass… build a simple stair case rising from the cycle path adjacent to the lakes edge, to the bridge.

People with prams, bike and segway riders and the disabled will still need to use the existing, dangerous quasi-crossing.

No, nothing screwy this idea.

Holden Caulfield 9:57 am 20 Sep 12

I acknowledge this this stretch of road and quasi-crossing can be dangerous, but as a regular car driver through here and a sometime pedestrian the only time I have ever encountered any real concern is when pedestrians have walked out without looking.

Or worse, on one occasion, a pedestrian looked, clearly saw me, and still walked out, meaning I had to use reasonable braking force to avoid knocking her over.

So while I can see there will be improvements with the underpass approach if dumb arses are prepared to walk onto a road when they don’t have right of way then the issue of car v pedestrian and the inevitable results will just get shifted to the next problem area.

When you’re on the road, regardless of your mode of transport, pay attention. It’s a pretty simple concept to grasp, you’d think.

jase! 9:55 am 20 Sep 12

Snave81 said :

I thought that the NCA had ruled out the underpass option before going to public consultation despite it being the better option.

When did a bridge turn into an underpass or is it just because the feds are paying?

the underpass became the write in candidate under the “do it once, do it properly” theory. the NCA tried to take it out of the running because it would cost more, the commenting public put it back on the agenda

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