Can someone tell me why 'Earn or Learn' doesnt apply to Bimberi?

Spectra said :

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Ah yes, the one-off, anecdotal “something bad happened to me, with only the most tenuous of connection to the issue, therefore I shall draw ridiculously broad conclusions about an entire population of people” argument.

Well personal experience does tend to colour ones views, and of course it trumps your; “if you cannot apply it to every single case, it doesn’t count” nonsense hands down.

Remember, a lefty is only a righty who hasn’t been mugged yet.

aceofspades said :

Yeah, rehabilitation, right, that works. You have obviously never had the crap belted out of you by a bunch of young teenagers who’s probable single mother parents care more about where they are going to get their next drink rather than where their children are.

Ah yes, the one-off, anecdotal “something bad happened to me, with only the most tenuous of connection to the issue, therefore I shall draw ridiculously broad conclusions about an entire population of people” argument. Bravo. Your fantastic debating skills have brought me to my knees, sir. I concede your point. Anyone who is in there is clearly a lost cause, and should be denied education, and probably food and shelter too. Livin’s too good for ’em, I say.

Hellbells said :

aceofspades said :

Spectra said :

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And perhaps if there carer isnt going to teach them, then we as a society should encourage them to better themselves?

Ok, I spelt ‘their’ wrong! Back to school for me!

aceofspades said :

Spectra said :

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who’s probable single mother parents care more about where they are going to get their next drink rather than where their children are.

If they are not smart enough to work out what they have done wrong and not do it again on their own then we don’t want them in society. It is obvious that their responsible adult carer is never going to teach them.

Again, where are these stats on detainees, who’s single mothers are alcoholics?

Perhaps they are smart enough to see what they have done wrong, and want an education, so they can repay society?

And perhaps if there carer isnt going to teach them, then we as a society should encourage them to better themselves?

Spectra said :

aceofspades said :

“Shouldn’t people in detention receive equal opportunities to those outside detention?”

No, they are in detention.

Everyone knows that once they’re in “the system” they’re a lost cause and we should just forget about them. .

Just who is that ‘everyone’ you speak of?

Meisha said :

I understand yr 12 is offered to Bimberi through distance education to those who want to achieve yr 12.

That might be acceptable if they had free access to computers!

Spectra said :

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And what better way to make sure they stay there and make many return visits than nobbling their rehabilitation opportunities by denying them education. Everyone knows that once they’re in “the system” they’re a lost cause and we should just forget about them. Of course, it’s entirely the kids’ fault – if the little toerags had just stayed off my lawn like I told them to..grumble grumble kids these days grumble breakdown of society grumble grumble back in my day etc grumble.

Yeah, rehabilitation, right, that works. You have obviously never had the crap belted out of you by a bunch of young teenagers who’s probable single mother parents care more about where they are going to get their next drink rather than where their children are.

If they are not smart enough to work out what they have done wrong and not do it again on their own then we don’t want them in society. It is obvious that their responsible adult carer is never going to teach them.

aceofspades said :

“Shouldn’t people in detention receive equal opportunities to those outside detention?”

No, they are in detention.

And what better way to make sure they stay there and make many return visits than nobbling their rehabilitation opportunities by denying them education. Everyone knows that once they’re in “the system” they’re a lost cause and we should just forget about them. Of course, it’s entirely the kids’ fault – if the little toerags had just stayed off my lawn like I told them to..grumble grumble kids these days grumble breakdown of society grumble grumble back in my day etc grumble.

“Shouldn’t people in detention receive equal opportunities to those outside detention?”

No, they are in detention.

“Has the ACT Government failed its Human Rights agenda in Bimberi?”

They have failed their Human Rights agenda on the outside so who really cares.

Keep your kids under control instead of roaming the streets vandalising, thieving, mugging and anything else they can think of and they wont lose their rights.

I understand yr 12 is offered to Bimberi through distance education to those who want to achieve yr 12.