Can the Greens push beyond Zed?

Dr_Hoon said :

Zed seems to have kicked a couple of own goals recently. His statement that he probably will not vote on the Marriage Equality issue if the plebiscite has annoyed many of the people I know. Their opinion is that Zed is supposed to represent us. If he refuses to do so, then he should resign.

If you want every Member and Senator who abstains from a vote to resign, you’ll have a very empty parliament.

Dr_Hoon said :

And then today someone probably thought it would be a good idea to park Zed’s promotional truck outside a very large office building in Greenway. It did indeed generate lots of discussion, with people complaining about his stupid truck taking up one and a third of the very scarce free all day car parks.

Good effort there Zed!

Was it parked legally? If so, then move on. You’re trying make an issue out of nothing.

Mess said :

Post script, ABC radio news 1.00pm Caterina Hobbs stated that she was very much in favour of a coalition Greens/Labor govt in the assembly & that she would push the feds to back/help fund the next stage of the trams. She has been given a thorough backgrounding of ALL the transport options but has fallen into line with Rattenbury. Certainly lost my support & I hoped she could throw out Seselja, great shame. Apart from anything else we desperately need to become a swinging seat so we get some attention.

You seem surprised a Greens candidate would support a Greens policy. This surprises me to be honest.

Zed seems to have kicked a couple of own goals recently. His statement that he probably will not vote on the Marriage Equality issue if the plebiscite has annoyed many of the people I know. Their opinion is that Zed is supposed to represent us. If he refuses to do so, then he should resign.

And then today someone probably thought it would be a good idea to park Zed’s promotional truck outside a very large office building in Greenway. It did indeed generate lots of discussion, with people complaining about his stupid truck taking up one and a third of the very scarce free all day car parks.

Good effort there Zed!

Post script, ABC radio news 1.00pm Caterina Hobbs stated that she was very much in favour of a coalition Greens/Labor govt in the assembly & that she would push the feds to back/help fund the next stage of the trams. She has been given a thorough backgrounding of ALL the transport options but has fallen into line with Rattenbury. Certainly lost my support & I hoped she could throw out Seselja, great shame. Apart from anything else we desperately need to become a swinging seat so we get some attention.

I do separate the branches, actually. I wouldn’t go to Katy Gallagher on matters for ACT local government any more, I’d go to Andrew Barr. It’s the same with the Greens. Isn’t that why we have separate local and federal elections? They’re related, but not the same, and deal with different matters of legislation.

They are so closely related, if not coupled, that people say that they will not vote Liberal in the upcoming ACT Legislative Assembly election because of the Federal Public Service cutbacks. They of course, conveniently ignore that it was disclosed in Senate Estimates that the (previous) Labor Federal Gov’t had planned as many, if not more, cutbacks.

Also, when they vote for Labor’s Katy Gallager in the Senate, they should also remember that as ACt Chief Minister, she supported increasing the GST to 15% (but now tows Federal Labor’s line opposing any GST increase), set in train (pun intended) the tripling of Canberra’s residential Annual Rates, brought in the $1.6b + tram and admitted that as ACT Housing Minister, was given independent consultants reports about the Mr Fluffy situation a decade before action was finally taken, but did nothing about it.

ACT voters need to very carefully think about that record before they vote in the Senate – as I would hope they also think about the record of the Liberal candidate and independents..

It is impossible to divorce Federal/Local ACT Legislative Assembly issues in Canberra in either election. They are related – they are the same in my view.

I don’t agree that it is impossible to divorce federal and local issues. All it takes is to pay attention to the various issues, and realise that the outcomes that occur as a result of your vote on Saturday’s election will differ from those at the ACT election. The tram should have no bearing on whether you vote Greens or not on Saturday. They’re different trees in the same forest, at best.

I would hope that people would seek to educate themselves on what the difference is between federal and local issues. I would hope that people would have more reasons not to vote Liberal than the public service cuts. I would hope that people would look at both the Coalition’s and ALP’s policies at the federal level before they vote on personality, regardless of whether or not they served in the ACT Legislative Assembly.

If they were the same issues and treated in the same way, we wouldn’t bother with local elections. It’s worth separating them to get the best result, rather than just complaining.

I do separate the branches, actually. I wouldn’t go to Katy Gallagher on matters for ACT local government any more, I’d go to Andrew Barr. It’s the same with the Greens. Isn’t that why we have separate local and federal elections? They’re related, but not the same, and deal with different matters of legislation.

They are so closely related, if not coupled, that people say that they will not vote Liberal in the upcoming ACT Legislative Assembly election because of the Federal Public Service cutbacks. They of course, conveniently ignore that it was disclosed in Senate Estimates that the (previous) Labor Federal Gov’t had planned as many, if not more, cutbacks.

Also, when they vote for Labor’s Katy Gallager in the Senate, they should also remember that as ACt Chief Minister, she supported increasing the GST to 15% (but now tows Federal Labor’s line opposing any GST increase), set in train (pun intended) the tripling of Canberra’s residential Annual Rates, brought in the $1.6b + tram and admitted that as ACT Housing Minister, was given independent consultants reports about the Mr Fluffy situation a decade before action was finally taken, but did nothing about it.

ACT voters need to very carefully think about that record before they vote in the Senate – as I would hope they also think about the record of the Liberal candidate and independents..

It is impossible to divorce Federal/Local ACT Legislative Assembly issues in Canberra in either election. They are related – they are the same in my view.

I do not know how Christina can separate herself & her policies from Rattenbury, trams, bad governance, & the secrecy that came out of the coalition. I know a significant number of Green members have serious reservations on these issues but cannot speak out of course. I think she will have a big tram around her neck unless she can come out & address important transport issues, national & ACT, which have had very little exposure from polys or from the media. It is after all the AUSTRALIAN greens who are standing not a separate ACT greens party, most people, including me, do not separate the various branches in their heads. The whole organisation is responsible for the actions of all its representatives, in the same way large companies are responsible for the actions of all of their employees.

I do separate the branches, actually. I wouldn’t go to Katy Gallagher on matters for ACT local government any more, I’d go to Andrew Barr. It’s the same with the Greens. Isn’t that why we have separate local and federal elections? They’re related, but not the same, and deal with different matters of legislation.

devils_advocate said :

Mordd / Chris Richards said :

I think they’re all stronger candidates than Simon Sheikh, though, who gave the appearance of being flown in, and then spectacularly fizzed out. I’m undecided, but will probably vote Greens. I’ve generally voted Labor previously, but I want to live somewhere with progressive representation.

I don’t understand how Simon Sheikh forcing the Liberals to the closest they have ever been to losing their ACT senate seat could be called “fizzing out”.

He didn’t strike me as a solid choice at the time.
Christina Hobbs seems to me to be a quality candidate. Head and shoulders better than the incumbents, neither of whom have had a real job for over a decade, and neither of whom have had more than a few years working in a real job in their entire lives.

I am reluctant to help the Greens earn credibility by giving them my first preference, but I will be ensuring my vote redistributes early to Hobbs.
Probably something like 1. Secular Party 2. Hobbs.

Same as many others, I would have no hesitation in voting Xenophon if we had that choice.

Simon Sheikh’s credibility faltered when he went to sleep on the Q&A panel.

Simon Sheikh did not fall asleep on Q&A, dungfungus. He collapsed due to a combination of flu and overwork.

devils_advocate said :

Simon Sheikh’s credibility faltered when he went to sleep on the Q&A panel.

justin heywood said :

Simon Sheikh never had any credibility.We went to sleep and turned off Q&A

I find it hard to believe that either of you would watch Q&A.

devils_advocate said :

Mordd / Chris Richards said :

I think they’re all stronger candidates than Simon Sheikh, though, who gave the appearance of being flown in, and then spectacularly fizzed out. I’m undecided, but will probably vote Greens. I’ve generally voted Labor previously, but I want to live somewhere with progressive representation.

I don’t understand how Simon Sheikh forcing the Liberals to the closest they have ever been to losing their ACT senate seat could be called “fizzing out”.

He didn’t strike me as a solid choice at the time.
Christina Hobbs seems to me to be a quality candidate. Head and shoulders better than the incumbents, neither of whom have had a real job for over a decade, and neither of whom have had more than a few years working in a real job in their entire lives.

I am reluctant to help the Greens earn credibility by giving them my first preference, but I will be ensuring my vote redistributes early to Hobbs.
Probably something like 1. Secular Party 2. Hobbs.

Same as many others, I would have no hesitation in voting Xenophon if we had that choice.

Simon Sheikh’s credibility faltered when he went to sleep on the Q&A panel.

Fixed that for you
Simon Sheikh never had any credibility.We went to sleep and turned off Q&A