Canberra firies off to Victoria

johnboy 10 February 2009 64

[First filed: February 08, 2009 @ 21:50]

Jon Stanhope has announced that with the ACT relatively fire free through this nasty weather we’re sending some help to fire-ravaged Victoria.

    Mr Stanhope said while the details of the assistance were still being finalised, he expected the ACT contingent to include ten light and heavy tankers and fire fighting personnel.

Best of luck to them.

If you are so moved as to donate the Red Cross has an appeal page running, or call 1800 811 700.

UPDATED: I-Filed sent in the following as a seperate story which I thought best included here:

    Donate to the Victorian Wildlife Rescue organisation

    Let’s hope there are many, many animals and birds that managed to outrun/fly out of the fires, and have been picked up.

    Besides helping humans out, you can donate to the Wildlife Rescue fund through their website:

    http://http://www.wildlifevictoria.org.au/cms/index.php

ANOTHER UPDATE: The AFP have announced they’re sending people down to help out too:

    AFP members from ACT Policing and AFP Forensic Operations are to assist in the location, recovery and identification of victims of the Victorian bushfires.

    A contingent of 16 Disaster Victim Identification (DVI) qualified officers will leave for Victoria tomorrow morning (Monday, February 9), travelling by road.

    The officers will be assigned tasks and a location in which to work by Victoria Police.

Liberal Leader Zed Seselja has also put out a statement of general support for the assistance effort.

Further Update: The Brumbies have announced that they’ll be hosting a collection point for the official 2009 Victorian Bushfire Appeal at the first home game on 21 February.

UPDATE 4: Jon Stanhope has now announced that the ACT Government has decided to donate $300,000 or roughly one dollar for each of us. They’re also looking at how they can help with third party fundraising.

UPDATE 5: Trevar has posted the following as a story but I thought it best rolled in here:

    A friend of mine forwarded the following email to me, saying that she had gone to the trouble of confirming it with Allied Pickfords:

    ALLIED PICKFORDS is arranging to transport any Canberra donations of clothing, toys, tinned food, furniture due to the tragedy with the bushfires in Victoria. Many of us lived through this 6 years ago, and can imagine not having any possessions except the clothes on your back. The community support for Canberra from around Australia was incredible at the time – and we should now help Victoria. If you have a spare ANYTHING – get it to Queanbeyan. The Allied Pickfords Depot is at 184 Gilmore Road, Queanbeyan – just go along Canberra Avenue past DFO and Gilmore Road is only a few kilometres away. It is open 8am-5pm (Phone 132554). DONATIONS NEED TO BE THERE BY 5PM ON Wed 11-Feb-09. If you can pack things into boxes, it will help.

UPDATE 6: Apparently the Allied Pickfords trucks are full but the FM radio collections go on.

UPDATE 7: Apparently the containers are all full everywhere. If cash is what you want to give the Fringe Festival running in Civic Square raised $1,700 last night and is passing the hat around every night.

Donating goods rather than cash for fire relief

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GardeningGirl GardeningGirl 10:45 pm 10 Feb 09

I saw something on an online news, can’t remember which as I’ve read so many, but they asked for people to stop bringing stuff as they were inundated. Perhaps that was just one specific collection point, I’m not sure. Does anyone know if our radio station has actually confirmed arrangements for what happens with the donated goods at the other end? One option I haven’t seen suggested anywhere is a fundraising garage sale. I wonder if that would be feasible?

bubzie bubzie 12:42 pm 10 Feb 09

I take that back. Didnt even get to the parkway, before i heard that apparently their also full.

bubzie bubzie 10:52 am 10 Feb 09

they’re still accepting goods at 104.7/106.3’s radio station (which is ..ah, a street off the barton highway, beginning with b, apparently)

i’m off to do so now!

sezzle sezzle 9:52 am 10 Feb 09

I received update #5 email yesterday, right before I heard they were turning people away. Apparently if you wish to help now, all they would like is cash.

p1 p1 9:23 am 10 Feb 09

Is the ACT sending CAFS trucks? It would be good to see these in action and see if they are as good as the spin doctors say they are.

In my limited experience seeing them in operation (two fires) they are great at knocking down a fire, and would probably be equally great for property protection. Not so useful for mopping up however. And since we only have a couple, and they are not so versatile, I seriously doubt they would ever go far from the ACT.

tylersmayhem tylersmayhem 9:04 am 10 Feb 09

I don’t know TM, there’s a time and a place to ask those sorts of questions, but maybe now’s the time to just put some money in the tin.

With all due respect John, I believe now is a particularly good time and place to pose important questions like this, not that everyone is jumping (rightly so) in to help a horrible situation that’s in the Limelight.

Money is fantastic, and great that people are pouring their hard earned cash to such a desperate need (on top of the however many 10 or 20 mill the Gov is offering).

In my case I choose to donate items, blood and time. That way I KNOW my donations will reach the cause.

Regardless – whatever people can offer, go for it. It’s a tragic situation!

Thumper Thumper 8:41 am 10 Feb 09

I should also add that a fire this big creates it’s own wind As the hot air goes up it sucks in massive amounts of cooler air at the bottom creating a wind storm. This will tear the tiles off your roof meaning the embers can get in.

Thumper Thumper 8:38 am 10 Feb 09

So Thumper, perhaps you can put your firie hat on and clear something up. When you have a fire bearing down on your street like this wouldn’t there be value in going about 50m upwind and starting a preliminary firefront that can go through not as quickly, so you can manage that, then have the scorched ’safe’ zone around your houses before the main fire storm hits you?

I’m not a firie but I have fought them and have been involved in quite a few. As for the above I very much doubt that you would have time to do this and you will still get showered by embers and be subject to massive radiant heat which can cause the house to combust anyway.

Gungahlin Al Gungahlin Al 6:33 am 10 Feb 09

So Thumper, perhaps you can put your firie hat on and clear something up. When you have a fire bearing down on your street like this wouldn’t there be value in going about 50m upwind and starting a preliminary firefront that can go through not as quickly, so you can manage that, then have the scorched ‘safe’ zone around your houses before the main fire storm hits you?

In many situations like with lots of trees it wouldn’t work, but it seems that many of the people who survived did so by getting to a previously burnt area.

There’d still be the ember attack to deal with, but if you could stop them getting into the ceiling spaces that could be enough – assuming we’ve already got our doorways sealed against drafts anyway. (PS: I would never have tiles on any house of mine because of all the gaps and proneness to lifting during high winds.)

ebony57 ebony57 6:31 am 10 Feb 09

http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/NaturalHazards/view.php?id=36979

NASA’s Earth Observatory captured some images of the Canberra fire. These images are of the Marysville and Kinglake region.

Overheard Overheard 12:06 am 10 Feb 09

And just watching the midnight local news (which I think is just a repeat of the [insert time here] WIN News from mid-evening, the Salvos are also saying ‘Send cash, not goods’ so that knocks my earlier (qualified) caution into a cocked hat.

Overheard Overheard 11:59 pm 09 Feb 09

Overheard said :

I suspect (though don’t know for a fact) that the charity organisations would be saying loud and clear if they do NOT want donations of food, clothing, toys, etc. in preference for cash.

Without a statement to the contrary from the charities, I’d say to donate in whichever form you can afford or manage.

Anyone who uses this as a means of offloading out and out junk (if that’s their motivation) should probably have a good hard look at themselves.

And here’s a classic example of why I always qualify any statements I’m not 100% sure of.

And on topic, I qualify the following statement by saying that this has come to me third-hand:

“This is what the Red Cross say on their website:

“Please do not donate goods

We are not accepting goods because it often costs more to collect and transport than to purchase from local businesses. These businesses have often also been badly impacted and can benefit from the activity. Currently we are focused on people’s immediate needs. If we identify a specific need we will make a public call.”

Money is the preferred option. Go to http://www.redcross.org.au/vic/services_emergencyservices_victorian-bushfires-appeal-2009.htm or ring the Red Cross on 1800 811 700. ALL donations to this appeal go to the bushfire survivors and their related needs.” “

Again, I have this third-hand, so feel free to check before acting on this information.

Holden, nice comment. You’re so right; it’s the tangible stuff like the food to keep the victims and volunteers going that cash will provide, and big up to the CWA-ers who are providing the one commodity that you (pl.) and I can provide in bucket-loads where we can, the most precious commodity (or one of them): time. Adding a second: effort.

smokey4 smokey4 10:32 pm 09 Feb 09

Canberra has been lucky so far. Victoria was not going so bad at 15:00 Saturday as well. All that changed in the next 2 hours.

For those thinking of a quick evacuation in such circumstances – don’t do it. You are still safer remaining in your house until the fire passes and then moving to burnt ground. Being caught in a car and then in the open is fatal. First your legs will cramp sending you to the ground. With luck the end will come quickly a few minutes later.

Is the ACT sending CAFS trucks? It would be good to see these in action and see if they are as good as the spin doctors say they are.

Holden Caulfield Holden Caulfield 10:25 pm 09 Feb 09

tylersmayhem said :

My question about ANY cash donation opportunity is always “how much will ACTUALLY get to the victims. How much disappears on “administration”?

If it makes you feel any better, I’ve heard first hand accounts applauding the work the Red Cross are currently performing in the affected areas.

Don’t forget your cash doesn’t have to get into the victims’ pockets to have an impact. I just heard a CWA lady interviewed on radio saying her chapter had made over 2000 sandwiches. That’s a lot of bread and a lot of stuff in between. Stuff that can’t be bought with monopoly money.

S4anta S4anta 8:07 pm 09 Feb 09

S4anta said :

tylersmayhem said :

No offence, buy you are a cock

Please insert ‘but’ instead of ‘buy’ at your leisure.

S4anta S4anta 8:05 pm 09 Feb 09

tylersmayhem said :

My question about ANY cash donation opportunity is always “how much will ACTUALLY get to the victims. How much disappears on “administration”?

No offence, buy you are a cock

Overheard Overheard 6:57 pm 09 Feb 09

I suspect (though don’t know for a fact) that the charity organisations would be saying loud and clear if they do NOT want donations of food, clothing, toys, etc. in preference for cash.

Without a statement to the contrary from the charities, I’d say to donate in whichever form you can afford or manage.

Anyone who uses this as a means of offloading out and out junk (if that’s their motivation) should probably have a good hard look at themselves.

johnboy johnboy 5:57 pm 09 Feb 09

tylersmayhem said :

My question about ANY cash donation opportunity is always “how much will ACTUALLY get to the victims. How much disappears on “administration”?

I don’t know TM, there’s a time and a place to ask those sorts of questions, but maybe now’s the time to just put some money in the tin.

Mr Evil Mr Evil 5:56 pm 09 Feb 09

tylersmayhem said :

or those that can afford cash donations I know they will be extremely welcome. And when the items that get donated are catalogued and distributed, these also will be gratefully received.

My question about ANY cash donation opportunity is always “how much will ACTUALLY get to the victims. How much disappears on “administration”?

The Red Cross website says that no donation money will be chewed up in admin fees.

Granny Granny 5:50 pm 09 Feb 09

We are unemployed right now without even government benefits coming in, so if donating goods and toys was useful we could do a lot more to help that way. If we give money it’s not much that we can afford, but each toy can cost $30 to $80 new and many of the baby toys are in excellent condition, as with baby clothes etc.

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