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Canberrans in the Crime Paranoia charts

By caf 24 February 2010 40

Over at Pollytics, the blog that proudly wears its wonkishness on its sleeve, Possum has crunched the numbers from the ABS’s reported and perceived crime statistics, to come up with a “Crime Paranoia Index” of the states and territories.

The ACT makes it to number two in the rankings – meaning that we’re second only to Victorians in the proportion that our perception of crime outstrips the reality.

So what does that mean? Are we overly worried about crime, or are we underreporting it (compared to the rest of the country)? Or does it really signify nothing at all?

What’s Your opinion?


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Drzaius 10:09 pm 28 May 10

@Spideydog, I’m a working student who had her car stolen from out the front of her house, bike stolen from carport and was present during a ‘dodgy’ pullover. This is my experience with the police as a functional member of society. I don’t appreciate accusations about my character from someone who knows nothing about me.

buzz819 9:30 am 28 May 10

This is a good ole hilarious thread!

I had my car stolen a couple of years ago, recovered the same day, forensics came out, took some prints, took some photos, seized some property, very exciting stuff.

I’m sure if you talk to some one from the ACT Forensics area they will tell you how many incidents that they go to?

If Police were doing nothing, turning a blind eye to crime and not caring about it, then why are the courts always over run with criminal matters? Why is Corrections always under the hammer because they don’t have enough officers to look after the growing amount of remandees?

It is a thought to ponder? Instead of maybe thinking they don’t care, how about damn the criminals today have found a haven in Canberra and are invading…

Then having a couple of murders in a very short period would take up a lot of resources, then Obama is coming soon, even more resources, the night life in Canberra expanding, even more resources, more motorists, more suburbs, more people, has ACT Policing expanded as much? I doubt it, though I don’t have the appropriate figures.

On top of that the AFP is sending people to the Northern Territory and the Solomon Island’s for Policing roles, which takes people away from the beat.

So all in all the crime rate is growing, the amount of criminals are growing, the amount of people, shopping centres and cars are growing, but the Police force is kinda remaining the same size, is that the fault of the average copper on the beat?

Imagine how you would like it if for example, while you are reading this post, sipping your latte, sending e-mails to your public servant mates, your boss comes along and says, where merging with 4 other departments, we are taking on 8 times the work load, and we are firing all the rest of the people, you now have the job of 5 men. Have a think about it.

georgesgenitals 9:20 am 28 May 10

Deadmandrinking said :

TheDJPea said :

Yeah, there is a hell of a lot more crime than the police are aware of and/or give a shit about

True, but I think that’s true in most cities around the country.

True for most cities around the world, I’d say.

Deadmandrinking 12:58 am 28 May 10

TheDJPea said :

Yeah, there is a hell of a lot more crime than the police are aware of and/or give a shit about

True, but I think that’s true in most cities around the country.

Spideydog 10:03 pm 27 May 10

There is a difference with pieces of information put together to make a full story, to your little piece and expecting heaven and earth moved for you.

You have named someone, how did you come to name this person? Did you witness this person first hand commit the theft? What was your evidence for naming this person?

Ah the old “I pay tour salary” argument. Public servants pay their own salary, as they pay tax as well. Besides, the ACT government does not pay the ACT Policing salaries, the AFP does.

You seem to have a unusual amount of Policing contact – I get the feeling there is more to these “stories” than the sugar coat we get on here.

Drzaius 7:34 pm 27 May 10

I don’t watch CSI. It’s my understanding that witnesses are extremely important in solving crimes. If the police and Crimestoppers are always asking for witnesses to come forward only to consider their information as flimsy, what’s the point? I would have thought somebody specifically identifying someone they know (who happens to be a known thief the police are aware of) on a stolen bike would be enough incentive to investigate. People have gone to prison for life on the basis of witness information.

I believe the police receive revenue they raise in the form of a salary, correct me if I’m wrong. I’ve experienced this first hand, for example, being in a car that was pulled over late at night on New Year’s only to have the officer inspect the car for 20 minutes for something to defect after the driver was determined as having zero blood alcohol level. A fine of $80 was dished out for a paint chip on the number plate that allegedly made the plate ‘difficult to read’. If that’s not an officer trying to make a quota of fines for the night I don’t know what is.

Perhaps I’m naive but this is just my experience with police.

Spideydog 1:42 pm 27 May 10

Drzaius said :

I had my car stolen and all the police said was ‘we probably won’t find them’ which is fair enough but it felt more like they couldn’t be bothered finding them because neighbors weren’t even interviewed as possible witnesses and CCTV footage in the area the car was dumped wasn’t even accessed. I recently had a bike stolen and got the name of the kid who was seen riding it the next day and all the police said was ‘yeah we know of that kid’. Useless!! In my opinion, the police don’t care about investigating crimes that don’t result in either revenue raising or great publicity (big drug bust etc.). A comment above claims that we should do more investigating ourselves but as regular citizens we don’t have access to resources to do so. If I did have those resources I would have looked up the address of that known bike thief, gone to his house and looked around for stolen property but apparently that’s too difficult for the police to do. I’ve received prank calls from the thieves as well (got the number from stolen bike signs) and all the police say is there’s nothing they can do. I would’ve though it’s pretty easy to ask Telstra for phone records to get the number of the caller.

You watch too much CSI m8. Getting Telstra records costs the “PUBLIC” money. Even by getting these records it does not prove 1. who made the calls, 2. who the thief is. Massive waste of public money, IF it is not going to provide SUFFICIENT evidence to put someone before the court. And yet people are quick to criticise the prosecution for apparent flimsy evidence.

You need search warrants to go through someone’s house looking for property. You just cant turn up and roll peoples houses.

Revenue raising ……. you do realise that police do not receive a cent of revenue they apparently raise. Do you actually believe that the average officer on the street give a flying toss about getting money for the government …. pfft.

Where was this apparent video surveillance of your dumped stolen car taken from ? Would it provide a high quality facial shot of the offender or a grainy far off image of a shadowy figure ?

Things aren’t as easy, cost effective and evidentially sound as you make out.

Drzaius 10:55 am 27 May 10

I had my car stolen and all the police said was ‘we probably won’t find them’ which is fair enough but it felt more like they couldn’t be bothered finding them because neighbors weren’t even interviewed as possible witnesses and CCTV footage in the area the car was dumped wasn’t even accessed. I recently had a bike stolen and got the name of the kid who was seen riding it the next day and all the police said was ‘yeah we know of that kid’. Useless!! In my opinion, the police don’t care about investigating crimes that don’t result in either revenue raising or great publicity (big drug bust etc.). A comment above claims that we should do more investigating ourselves but as regular citizens we don’t have access to resources to do so. If I did have those resources I would have looked up the address of that known bike thief, gone to his house and looked around for stolen property but apparently that’s too difficult for the police to do. I’ve received prank calls from the thieves as well (got the number from stolen bike signs) and all the police say is there’s nothing they can do. I would’ve though it’s pretty easy to ask Telstra for phone records to get the number of the caller.

Tooks 4:49 pm 28 Feb 10

videodrome said :

When you have 13 car windows smashed in a “secure” parking area in Kingston a couple of days ago and its only reported as 1 incident then you realise the statistics may not be telling you everything.

Yeah, I also heard that the double murder in Chisholm last year only counts as one, because it was reported as one incident. Our murder stats are awesome!

Tooks 9:52 am 28 Feb 10

videodrome said :

When you have 13 car windows smashed in a “secure” parking area in Kingston a couple of days ago and its only reported as 1 incident then you realise the statistics may not be telling you everything. BTW 2 other apartment blocks each had 12 and 14 car windows smashed for petty theft the same night bringing it to a total of 39 break-ins. I’d call that a crimewave in itself. We actually have footage of the 2 vermin who did it. Have a guess how interested the police are?

You may think it would be an appropriate use of police resources to send about 39 different patrols just because there’s 39 different victims, but I think most would agree that would be a huge waste of resources.

Ian 8:38 am 28 Feb 10

videodrome said :

I saw a minor accident in the Dickson carpark a month ago – one car backed into the front of another causing about $1000 worth of damage. There were 2 police cars and 4 cops at that incident. Must have been a slow day.

They were probably all there getting their 1/2 price Maccas.

videodrome 6:37 pm 27 Feb 10

I saw a minor accident in the Dickson carpark a month ago – one car backed into the front of another causing about $1000 worth of damage. There were 2 police cars and 4 cops at that incident. Must have been a slow day.

Tooks 12:57 pm 27 Feb 10

sepi said :

Ok – well a friend at work had her car broken into once and spray painted once (she was parking near govvie flats and walking to work). The police told her it was not their problem at all, it was up to the ACT govt.

So out of my two friends with cars broken into, the friend in SA got a far higher level of interest from her local police.

As well, a guy at work had his motorbike stolen from civic, parking outside the canberra centre. The police have asked him to chase up security footage from the mall – isn’t that their job?

As I’ve advised many times on this site, if you (not you specifically, but anybody) are not satisfied with the police response or actions relating to a job, then either query the case officer directly, or make a complaint. If your recovered vehicle is not forensically examined, ask why. If you are asked to chase up CCTV footage, ask why? If you are generally dissatisfied, take it up with the appropriate people.

You’re friend in SA may have had a completely different set of circumstances involved in his/her stolen car. Or maybe they just came across a more diligent officer than the one your other friend dealt with.

Police don’t generally send patrols to stolen vehicle incidents. The reports are taken over the phone, therefore it would be impractical to expect the operator (who may not even be a police officer) to leave the Winchester centre to go searching for CCTV footage.

Mr Evil 12:38 pm 27 Feb 10

Thumper said :

I saw some youths walking along the street the other day!

Were they wearing baseball caps? Those are the ones you’ve got to watch out for!

Ian said :

……After the last time, I actually got surveyed by a market research company about my satisfaction with my contact with the police. I offered some comment about it would have been nice if the person I spoke to at least feigned being interested in my problem.

Yep, that’s how the Govt deals with crime in this city: get a market research company to see how the public feel about how their crime report was dealt with by the ACT Police.

sepi 10:58 am 27 Feb 10

Ok – well a friend at work had her car broken into once and spray painted once (she was parking near govvie flats and walking to work). The police told her it was not their problem at all, it was up to the ACT govt.

So out of my two friends with cars broken into, the friend in SA got a far higher level of interest from her local police.

As well, a guy at work had his motorbike stolen from civic, parking outside the canberra centre. The police have asked him to chase up security footage from the mall – isn’t that their job?

Tooks 9:22 am 27 Feb 10

sepi said :

A friend had a car broken into in their driveway in SA, and rolled down the street and abandoned, and the police came around and took fingerprints from the car. I was amazed. That would never happen here.

Wrong again, but you keep believing that.

I believe many many people have just given up even reporting ‘minor’ incidents in the ACT – nothing tends to be done, so there is not much point.

Are you kidding? Most crimes reported in Canberra would fall under ‘minor’ incidents.

Ian 10:43 pm 26 Feb 10

sepi said :

I believe many many people have just given up even reporting ‘minor’ incidents in the ACT – nothing tends to be done, so there is not much point.

Not much point I know, and the crime won’t get solved, but I bothered reporting the 2 minor property crimes against me, if only to help screw up the police’s statistics.

After the last time, I actually got surveyed by a market research company about my satisfaction with my contact with the police. I offered some comment about it would have been nice if the person I spoke to at least feigned being interested in my problem.

Ian 10:41 pm 26 Feb 10

andy pandy said :

Yeah Canberra is a really dangerous place I have been bashed 90 times and murdered 4 times this year already.

Correction – this is Canberra, you would have been “manslaughtered” 4 times.

sepi 9:04 pm 26 Feb 10

A friend had a car broken into in their driveway in SA, and rolled down the street and abandoned, and the police came around and took fingerprints from the car. I was amazed. That would never happen here.

I believe many many people have just given up even reporting ‘minor’ incidents in the ACT – nothing tends to be done, so there is not much point.

videodrome 7:33 pm 26 Feb 10

update: WIN News reports 50 cars worth $20k were damaged.
PS. is there some reason why my comment takes hours to moderate?
perhaps the balance of sane outrage has been breached?

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