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Capital Metro Business Case released

By Damien Haas 31 October 2014 105

The long awaited business case for the light rail line from Civic to Gungahlin has been released. At a media only event at the Gallery of Australian Design, the Chief Minister released the Business Case and the EOI simultaneously. Prospective tenderers have until mid December to prepare their bids.

The Capital Metro project has tremendous support from Canberra’s community and will deliver enormous benefits to the city for the next five decades. It is a significant infrastructure investment.

Construction is expected to begin in the first half of 2016 with services expected to start in 2019. Up to 3500 jobs will be created by this project.

In the business case, there was mention that an extension from Civic to Russell could be added to Stage 1.

www.actlightrail.info/2014/10/capital-metro-business-case-released.html

A full report, and a list of relevant documents is available from ACT Light Rails website.

Damien Haas
Chair, ACT Light Rail


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switch 9:01 am 04 Dec 14

HiddenDragon said :

So we’re signing up to a billion or more for a tram set, when our Budget is already well on the way to being busted, to please and appease notoriously fickle hipsters and trendoids.

Who will be the first out of here when the economy no longer suits them…

HiddenDragon 6:52 pm 03 Dec 14

dungfungus said :

The ACT Government trots out another “expert” who says light rail for a smart city like Canberra is a “must have”.
http://www.canberratimes.com.au/act-news/light-rail-critical-to-a-smart-city-international-cities-expert-20141201-11xh1h.html
How much do they pay these people?

“You need to attract the skilled people, the educated classes to stay in your city, and everywhere light rail has been useful in attracting the very kind of people who help you reinvent your economy,” he (Simon Corbell) said.

“When you get younger voices in, they’ll say they want the jobs, they’ll want the housing and they’ll want the connectivity from the density that a city brings. Getting younger people involved is pretty critical.” (said Committee for Sydney chief executive Tim Williams)

So we’re signing up to a billion or more for a tram set, when our Budget is already well on the way to being busted, to please and appease notoriously fickle hipsters and trendoids. Aside from a handful of genuinely successful (i.e. not subsidised by public funds) boutique businesses – of the kind which is seriously over-hyped in this town – how many real jobs is this going to create and sustain?

With another set of dismal economic figures out today, it’s fairly obvious people will go where the remaining jobs are – big toys won’t be needed to attract or retain them. And for those whose skills are still in such high demand that they have a range of choices, will the prospect of a stop-start trip along Canberra’s quaintly rustic neo-Eastern bloc boulevards lure them away from the coastal cities or overseas delights. DREAM ON……

rommeldog56 5:45 pm 03 Dec 14

rosscoact said :

dungfungus said :

The ACT Government trots out another “expert” who says light rail for a smart city like Canberra is a “must have”.
http://www.canberratimes.com.au/act-news/light-rail-critical-to-a-smart-city-international-cities-expert-20141201-11xh1h.html
How much do they pay these people?

Probably more than the cut-rate knuckleheads paid by the Libs

Once again, to me the words in the linked article are just more glib ascertions and slogans – and comparing the overseas experience to Canberra is not an apples-to-apples comparison anyway.

Just look at the content in the business case/Benefits Costs Ratio (BCR) – its total rubbish.

But what the hell, this is essentially a pointless discussion now. Light rail is a reality and wont be able to be undone even if the ACT Libs do win the 2016 ACT election (which I think, will be very difficult for them to do).

The only option now is to be “positive” Dungfungus – its what some on RiotAct prefer – even if the Territory budget is sinking. No negative vibes, please !

I for one will be sending a strong “No” to ACT Labor/Greens via the ballot box at the 2016 election because of Light Rail, tripling of Annual Rates and other Labor/Greens mismanagement.

gazket 5:02 pm 03 Dec 14

This is why we are getting light rail. It’s a guaranteed legal money spinner .

Unions and associates will make money out of light rail and in turn some will be donated back to Labor and the Greens.

Why else are they going like a bull at a gate to pushing it through.

dungfungus 3:15 pm 03 Dec 14

rosscoact said :

dungfungus said :

The ACT Government trots out another “expert” who says light rail for a smart city like Canberra is a “must have”.
http://www.canberratimes.com.au/act-news/light-rail-critical-to-a-smart-city-international-cities-expert-20141201-11xh1h.html
How much do they pay these people?

Probably more than the cut-rate knuckleheads paid by the Libs

I wasn’t aware that the Liberals were a stakeholder in our light rail.

rosscoact 12:48 pm 03 Dec 14

dungfungus said :

The ACT Government trots out another “expert” who says light rail for a smart city like Canberra is a “must have”.
http://www.canberratimes.com.au/act-news/light-rail-critical-to-a-smart-city-international-cities-expert-20141201-11xh1h.html
How much do they pay these people?

Probably more than the cut-rate knuckleheads paid by the Libs

dungfungus 10:28 am 03 Dec 14

The ACT Government trots out another “expert” who says light rail for a smart city like Canberra is a “must have”.
http://www.canberratimes.com.au/act-news/light-rail-critical-to-a-smart-city-international-cities-expert-20141201-11xh1h.html
How much do they pay these people?

dungfungus 10:17 am 11 Nov 14

Costs have blown out on the Sydney light rail project as they have on every other one.
Canberra’s cost blow out will be enormous.
http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/sydney-light-rail-line-costs-blow-out-to-22-billion-8211-600-million-more-than-budgeted-20141109-11jazn.html

dungfungus 9:06 am 11 Nov 14

house_husband said :

rommeldog56 said :

Errrr…….rather, ACT Ratepayers will pay.

If it comes to that I plan to pay my rates using perceived transport saving dollars. The business case makes out they’re just as good as real dollars.

Andrew Barr’s own Bitcoin world?

wildturkeycanoe 11:46 pm 10 Nov 14

watto23 said :

But Australia as a nation is too proud to do such a thing and then there is the union argument of lowering wages and job losses to the Chinese which fires up the rednecks. But for infrastructure projects, with a known cost I don’t have a problem with it. If a Chinese company offered to build the light rails for say 300 million using its own labour then why not I say! As long as the workers are looked after in terms of living arrangements and meals and there is no safety issues then why shouldn’t we use cheap labour from overseas on infrastructure project. We’d at least get infrastructure built then. Not like other countries don’t do it either.

When you say “looked after in terms of living arrangements and meals”, does that mean a room at the Hyatt and three meals, or a mattress in a hostel and $10 a day? It is a perspective thing and some people will do the job for less than others because they are desperate. All that does is open the door for exploitation, corruption and much more. Then you have the problem of quality control, meaning that in no time “the tracks will bend” and a disaster happens, like never seen since the Simpsons.
I don’t mind competition, but when the people competing have much lower cost of living expenses because they have a house in a country whose dollar is a fraction of ours, it just isn’t fair at all.

house_husband 10:10 pm 10 Nov 14

rommeldog56 said :

Errrr…….rather, ACT Ratepayers will pay.

If it comes to that I plan to pay my rates using perceived transport saving dollars. The business case makes out they’re just as good as real dollars.

dungfungus 9:16 pm 10 Nov 14

rommeldog56 said :

watto23 said :

The chit chat of the fair trade agreement with China had me thinking. There is obvious protection for workers such that a chinese company can’t import workers and pay them chinese wages etc. But I was thinking, if this was managed properly, we could have a fantastic light rail network for a fraction of the cost, or even that very fast train for a fraction of the cost. But Australia as a nation is too proud to do such a thing and then there is the union argument of lowering wages and job losses to the Chinese which fires up the rednecks. But for infrastructure projects, with a known cost I don’t have a problem with it. If a Chinese company offered to build the light rails for say 300 million using its own labour then why not I say! As long as the workers are looked after in terms of living arrangements and meals and there is no safety issues then why shouldn’t we use cheap labour from overseas on infrastructure project. We’d at least get infrastructure built then. Not like other countries don’t do it either.

A good point. Not only cheap foreign labour, they could no doubt also supply the tracks (out of Australian iron ore of course !), carriages and other capital infrastructure pre manufactured items.

So, where would that leave the ACT Gov’ts claim that this is an infrastructure project to give the local ACT economy a shot in the arm economically ? Regardless, will be very interesting to see how much of the $ stays in the ACt during construction phase. I hope that is publically reported !

If a private financing/investment company gets the contract, you can bet your bottom $ that they will source the pre manufactured things from somewhere like China, Malaysia, Indonesia, etc, where its cheapest. If the ACT Govt wants some of that sourced locally, they will have to pay for it in the contracted price.

Errrr…….rather, ACT Ratepayers will pay.

It wouldn’t be the first time “cheap” foreign labour had been used in Canberra.
Remember the “88 Restaurants” at several Canberra clubs? The workers lived at the old Commodore Motel in Watson and were transported to and from work in a diplomatic plated Coaster bus, with escort.
PS Nothing about light rail is cheap. Do some research about price fixing and how the loot is shared around.

rommeldog56 6:37 pm 10 Nov 14

watto23 said :

The chit chat of the fair trade agreement with China had me thinking. There is obvious protection for workers such that a chinese company can’t import workers and pay them chinese wages etc. But I was thinking, if this was managed properly, we could have a fantastic light rail network for a fraction of the cost, or even that very fast train for a fraction of the cost. But Australia as a nation is too proud to do such a thing and then there is the union argument of lowering wages and job losses to the Chinese which fires up the rednecks. But for infrastructure projects, with a known cost I don’t have a problem with it. If a Chinese company offered to build the light rails for say 300 million using its own labour then why not I say! As long as the workers are looked after in terms of living arrangements and meals and there is no safety issues then why shouldn’t we use cheap labour from overseas on infrastructure project. We’d at least get infrastructure built then. Not like other countries don’t do it either.

A good point. Not only cheap foreign labour, they could no doubt also supply the tracks (out of Australian iron ore of course !), carriages and other capital infrastructure pre manufactured items.

So, where would that leave the ACT Gov’ts claim that this is an infrastructure project to give the local ACT economy a shot in the arm economically ? Regardless, will be very interesting to see how much of the $ stays in the ACt during construction phase. I hope that is publically reported !

If a private financing/investment company gets the contract, you can bet your bottom $ that they will source the pre manufactured things from somewhere like China, Malaysia, Indonesia, etc, where its cheapest. If the ACT Govt wants some of that sourced locally, they will have to pay for it in the contracted price. Errrr…….rather, ACT Ratepayers will pay.

Feng 12:52 pm 10 Nov 14

From personal experience, I hate going down Northbourne because there is so many traffic lights with the left lane often taken up by the buses which slows things down even more.

Now living in Gungahlin, I find going down Flemington Road even worse during peak hours with the few lanes available. And then I get to Northbourne which I detest as mentioned before.

I know the new bus system has improved this but with more new housing developments occuring in Gungahlin than anywhere else in Canberra, I fear it’s only going to get worse.

From experience, I also see so many new families moving into Canberra that it’s only to make the traffic worse as population explodes faster there than elsewhere.

I’m not sure what the best way is to fix the Northbourne corridor but whether it’s a new bus system or a light rail system, something should happen as soon as possible. The longer we wait, the worse it’ll become and then we’ll be forced to make a decision.

I’m also worried about the effectiveness of the light rail in meeting our needs as there is a lot of risks and issues involved. At the same time, I think it’s ambitious, good for our future and Northbourne is the best place to fix it into.

I think someone needs to redevelop the public housing and that will have a huge benefit to the light rail system if it goes up.

I’m biased living in Gungahlin of course so I lean towards supporting the development but I think there will be benefits to other areas not just Gungahlin such as DIckson and Belconnen areas. The flow on effects is something that will be hard to estimate and it may just pleasantly surprise alot of people.

dungfungus 12:21 pm 10 Nov 14

watto23 said :

The chit chat of the fair trade agreement with China had me thinking. There is obvious protection for workers such that a chinese company can’t import workers and pay them chinese wages etc. But I was thinking, if this was managed properly, we could have a fantastic light rail network for a fraction of the cost, or even that very fast train for a fraction of the cost. But Australia as a nation is too proud to do such a thing and then there is the union argument of lowering wages and job losses to the Chinese which fires up the rednecks. But for infrastructure projects, with a known cost I don’t have a problem with it. If a Chinese company offered to build the light rails for say 300 million using its own labour then why not I say! As long as the workers are looked after in terms of living arrangements and meals and there is no safety issues then why shouldn’t we use cheap labour from overseas on infrastructure project. We’d at least get infrastructure built then. Not like other countries don’t do it either.

But it will still be a dud project no matter how the t#rd is polished.

watto23 12:09 pm 10 Nov 14

The chit chat of the fair trade agreement with China had me thinking. There is obvious protection for workers such that a chinese company can’t import workers and pay them chinese wages etc. But I was thinking, if this was managed properly, we could have a fantastic light rail network for a fraction of the cost, or even that very fast train for a fraction of the cost. But Australia as a nation is too proud to do such a thing and then there is the union argument of lowering wages and job losses to the Chinese which fires up the rednecks. But for infrastructure projects, with a known cost I don’t have a problem with it. If a Chinese company offered to build the light rails for say 300 million using its own labour then why not I say! As long as the workers are looked after in terms of living arrangements and meals and there is no safety issues then why shouldn’t we use cheap labour from overseas on infrastructure project. We’d at least get infrastructure built then. Not like other countries don’t do it either.

Masquara 5:36 pm 09 Nov 14

drfelonious said :

gooterz said :

If you ignore inflation its costing twice as much as NASA spent on Apollo 11.

If you ignore inflation, you instantly render your comparison completely meaningless.

For example, with those magic words “if you ignore inflation”, then the cost of an apartment in Kingston is the same as the cost of building (and furnishing!) the entire Old Parliament House.

It went straaaiiiiight over your head, you poor thing!

drfelonious 8:56 am 09 Nov 14

gooterz said :

If you ignore inflation its costing twice as much as NASA spent on Apollo 11.

If you ignore inflation, you instantly render your comparison completely meaningless.

For example, with those magic words “if you ignore inflation”, then the cost of an apartment in Kingston is the same as the cost of building (and furnishing!) the entire Old Parliament House.

Canberroid 12:44 am 09 Nov 14

gooterz said :

If you ignore inflation its costing twice as much as NASA spent on Apollo 11.

It will transport quite a few more people than Apollo 11 though.

If you took all the cells in your body and laid them in a line along the track route, you would die.

gooterz 7:13 pm 08 Nov 14

If you ignore inflation its costing twice as much as NASA spent on Apollo 11.

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