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Cave People on the Rise

By Deano 18 April 2008 59

The Macarthur Cave People are on the march again. This time they’re up in arms about the ACTEW proposal to build a gas fired power station at Hume opposite the Mugga Lane dump.

I can’t see what their objection is about. It is situated on the opposite side of the ridge and can’t been seen from the nearest residences (and would only block the view of the dump in any case). The worst case (temperature inversion and NW winds) noise assessment shows some houses will be exposed to less than 35dbA of noise (which is slightly louder than a whisper) from the plant which is within the ACT planning criteria.

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ant 10:37 am 29 May 08

Good stuff, Redback! I was thinking pretty much the same as you watching Peters and that lady in the grey jacket whinging becuase residents didn’t want the amenity of their homes destroyed by this inappropriate development. I bet Peters and the lady live in safe affluent suburbs.

redback 9:51 am 29 May 08

Saw Chris Peters of the ACT Chamber of Commerce and Industry on TV last night, whining about how a few NIMBY residents in Macarthur had imperilled the corporate profit of Canberra’s business sector. The hide of them. Just for the sake of their quality of life! The Luddites.

You’d think that with a rubbish tip, a gaol and a drug rehabilitation centre all within a few k’s they’d have have realised that quality of life comes a poor second to the imperatives of economic growth. But no. They objected to the Dragstrip, they objected to the expansion of the drug rehab centre and now they’re objecting to the power plant.

But take heart, Chris. ACT Governments – influenced by ACCI donors no doubt – have always been quick to support new and ever more offensive proposals for land around Macarthur. It won’t be long before some new horror is proposed for southside land and there’s sure to be a business opportunity in it.

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josephbloggsjr 8:12 am 02 May 08

As I was having difficulty finding all the information & “facts” I needed about this power station, I put up links to all the important documentation at:

http://canberrapowerstation.info

Hope this helps.

p1 11:32 am 28 Apr 08

Look on the bright side dee, there are many more planning atrocities is this town, be thankful you aren’t in Kippax, Palmerston or Braddon.

….or near the airport….

Tempestas 9:58 am 28 Apr 08

Deano said :

What I object to is the use of FUD like the above to stir up community concern.

Well said Deano.

Lets try this again shall we, Hume is zoned industrial, a power plant is an industrial use. The development still has to comply with relevant requirements.

Look on the bright side dee, there are many more planning atrocities is this town, be thankful you aren’t in Kippax, Palmerston or Braddon.

moff 9:20 am 28 Apr 08

The station is for a datacentre, as mentioned.
Itis a national network of datacentres as part of a government/private initiative to have nationwide reduntant datacentres in case of disasters.

I think its a spanking idea.

Deano 11:29 pm 27 Apr 08

deezagood said :

a ‘dinosaur’ 2 billion dollar dirty gas power station

More cut and pasting from the report:

“gas fired electricity generation produces approximately 21-43% less CO2 equivalent emissions of that produced from black coal electricity generation. Similarly the amount of N2O that will be produced will be approximately 8 times less than that produced by a black coal power station.

It is therefore anticipated that there will be a positive impact on the greenhouse gas emissions within the ACT and surrounding NSW region.”

Not perfect but better than we have at the moment. Solar would be best but we haven’t quite perfected the 24hr solar power plant just yet.

An reputable scientist has examined the ActewAGl submission

Good, where is it available from?

A maximum Ground Level concentration of 245 micrograms/m3 was achieved

Yes, at a location 2.1km south east of the plant at 4am on only one particular day and only if the plant happened to be running at full throttle at that time.

In fact, of the 100 worst cases for the completed plant, most of them are away from residential areas and all of them are between 10pm and 4am when the plant is unlikely to be running at full capacity anyway.

Oh and the modelling was using 36 metres stacks … the planned stacks are 35 metres. Doesn’t sound too ‘comfortable’ to me.

Keep reading and they explain why 35m high stacks are sufficient.

During night time periods is it expected that the noise from the site will be sufficiently above the background level to be audible and may cause an impact to very sensitive residences’ … should I continue?

From the noise charts approximately 10 houses could potentially be affected by increased noise if they were very sensitive. These residents have every right to lodge an objection. What I object to is the use of FUD like the above to stir up community concern.

el 10:39 pm 27 Apr 08

RR?

I’d rather have a dragway too, but that’s another argument 🙂

I’m more worried about the Dihydrogen Monoxide personally.

deezagood 10:28 pm 27 Apr 08

Not true RR – I would be quite happy for the government (aka ActewAGL) to build 40,000 solar power generators in Macarthur Park. Honestly – I really am ambivilent about the asthetics of it all and we knew the risks when we moved next to vacant land. But a 2 billion dollar gas turbine power station with 12 X 35 metre gas stacks emitting Nitrogen Dioxide … ah come on! Honestly – how would you feel if they built this near your home? I’d rather have a dragway!

Thumper 10:22 pm 27 Apr 08

Whenever I hear cave people I think of those guys that explore underground drains and watwerways.

Caveclan I think….

el 10:19 pm 27 Apr 08

Ah, OK. In that case I think the correct term is BANANA – Build Absolutely Nothing Anywhere Near Anyone.

😀

deezagood 10:16 pm 27 Apr 08

No RR – definately not a NIMBY. More of a NIABY. Not In Anyone’s Back Yard.

el 10:11 pm 27 Apr 08

NIMBY.

deezagood 10:07 pm 27 Apr 08

Just a few months ago, Stanhope and the CEO of ActewAGL were on the ABC news, spouting the benefits of solar power and how we MUST embrace this for our future blah, blah, blah. At the same time planning a ‘dinosaur’ 2 billion dollar dirty gas power station 600 metres away from houses. An reputable scientist has examined the ActewAGl submission and calls their quest to creat a gas turbine power plant archaic and discusses the heavy petrochemical fog that will settle over the valleys (Jerra, Tuggers and Woden) from the emissions from this plant. Am I worried (with asthmatic kids) – you betcha. Am I a ‘caveman’ … for caring about my community?

deezagood 10:01 pm 27 Apr 08

Yes – the facts are a bitch. ‘Comfortably met’; cut and pasted from the actual report:

‘With reference to page 2, using guaranteed maximum guaranteed emission levels of NOx and a stack height of 36m. A maximum Ground Level concentration of 245 micrograms/m3 was achieved. This complies with EPA maximum level of 246.’ Oh and the modelling was using 36 metres stacks … the planned stacks are 35 metres. Doesn’t sound too ‘comfortable’ to me. Oh – and they admit their models can’t really be validated – it is in the report; they actually state this. Hey Deano – you are obviously a local (Chisholm shops flyer photo and all) …. hope you don’t have any respiratory issues:)

More extracts from the report for your reading pleasure; ‘During night time periods is it expected that the noise from the site will be sufficiently above the background level to be audible and may cause an impact to very sensitive residences’ … should I continue?

el 9:14 pm 27 Apr 08

Never let the facts get in the way of a good whinge, Deano 🙂

NIMBYs.

Deano 9:09 pm 27 Apr 08

Some facts taken from the submission:

Whilst the boundary of Macarthur suburb is 600m from the plant, the nearest house is actually 990m away.

The allowable maximum ground level concentration of NOx is 246 microgram per normal cubic metre and preliminary studies indicate that the level will be comfortably met.

The air pollution study considers the worst case scenario of all generators running continuously; however approximately half of these generators will run as a peaking station. This means the generators may only run up to 20% of the time when commercially viable on the electricity market.

The predominate wind direction, particularly in summer when peak electricity demand periods are most common, is from the west – that is, away from any residential areas.

The land has not been ‘surreptitiously re-zoned’. It was never a nature reserve and the proposed use is consistent with its current broadacre zoning.

sepi 8:08 pm 27 Apr 08

Nasty – where exactly is this thing going up?

Is it definitely happening?

deezagood 6:48 pm 27 Apr 08

What the fuss is about?

ActewAGL (which has the ACT Chief Minister and Deputy as voting shareholders) is planning to build a 2 billion dollar gas turbine operated power plant, just 600 metres from a residential suburb. This type/size of plant will emit approximately 95 million cubic metres (38,000 Olympic swimming pools) of poisonous exhaust fumes into the atmosphere every day. Aside from the constant whining of the gas turbines, the main concern is the amount of Nitrogen Dioxide that will be blown over our community (our research indicates that primarily Isaacs, Swinger Hill and Wanniasa will be affected).

Even in low levels this toxin causes increased bronchial reactivity in asthmatics, decreased lung function and increased risk of respiratory infections. For this reason, these plants are usually located in rural areas, far away from local communities.

These gas plants use dirty energy (the only dirtier energy is black coal); hardly in keeping with the federal government’s promise to reduce greenhouse emissions. Where is the proposal for clean energy such as hydro, wind and solar?

ActewAGL have ‘sold’ the development as a mean of supplying power for a ‘data storage centre’, but we estimate that the centre (which is basically a ruse to enable the power plant to get the green light) will require about 33 MW, leaving an additional 177MW for ActewAGL to sell back to the Australian Power Grid. To accommodate this power plant, the government has surreptitiously re-zoned local land (currently a nature reserve and horse agistment areas).

Where other governments act to protect the health and well-being of their citizens, ours re-zones land to enable dirty energy power plants to be built 600 metres from homes; perhaps that is what the fuss is about.

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