Civic jaywalkers

facet 27 May 2011 87

the jaywalkers of civic

Car drivers and bike riders cop a lot of flak when it comes to road accidents but civic pedestrians seem to have a death wish when they illegally cross the road (corner of Northbourne Ave and London Crt.).

The next corner at Alinga St and Northbourne is even worse.

Has anyone tried to enforce Jay Walking laws (presuming the ACT has these?).


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dtc dtc 9:37 pm 27 Aug 13

Tunnel from Capital Hill to about the NRMA building. Or an overhead expressway, but apparently people dont like that. Pave or grass the road and its a great location for the multi cultural festival

Innovation Innovation 8:23 pm 27 Aug 13

Martlark said :

Why is the busiest pedestrian area in Canberra bisected by a six to seven lane 60km/h road? Surely the whole Civic area should be 40km/h?

+1 It’s pretty hard (or risky) to get above 50 most times anyway!

Minz Minz 6:22 pm 27 Aug 13

Meh, I’m always jaywalking most everywhere… everywhere it’s safe, that is! The only time I’ve had a close call was one time I was daydreaming and just obeyed the little green man. A mate pulled me back just as I was about to step into the path of a speeding car which was running the red light (going straight).

Forget the little green man – an engaged brain, active eyes and ears without distractions work much better. It’s the people who are texting or insulated from the world by their earphones that I worry about.

Whitworth Spanner Whitworth Spanner 5:54 pm 27 Aug 13

bundah said :

Pitchka said :

bundah said :

Saw about 4 or 5 peeps cross there late on Friday night a few weeks ago while the peds light was red. The surprising thing was that there were two cops standing right next to them who totally ignored them. One would have thought that they would have said something to them but no not a word, go figure.

4 or 5 peeps, 2 cops, yet they said nothing to them..

I have come to the conclusion that the 4 or 5 peeps were in fact Leb. Cops outnumbered 2 to 1, we all know how lebs like to roll.

Nah they were mostly females in minis and high heels(of course appropriately dressed for a freezing night) and it was an older Sarge with a junior. They obviously had bigger fish to fry.

Depending on how short the said minis were, they could probably smell the fish…

bugmenot bugmenot 4:54 pm 27 Aug 13

make’m pay rego. that’ll teach em. also means you can report them.

Martlark Martlark 4:10 pm 27 Aug 13

Why is the busiest pedestrian area in Canberra bisected by a six to seven lane 60km/h road? Surely the whole Civic area should be 40km/h?

Aeek Aeek 4:03 pm 27 Aug 13

Henry82 said :

All directions really only helps if many people are trying to get diagonally across the intersection (i.e. Park & George St, Syd). Northborne is over 50 meters wide, which is the issue here.

Trebuchet !

bundah bundah 3:52 pm 27 Aug 13

Pitchka said :

bundah said :

Saw about 4 or 5 peeps cross there late on Friday night a few weeks ago while the peds light was red. The surprising thing was that there were two cops standing right next to them who totally ignored them. One would have thought that they would have said something to them but no not a word, go figure.

4 or 5 peeps, 2 cops, yet they said nothing to them..

I have come to the conclusion that the 4 or 5 peeps were in fact Leb. Cops outnumbered 2 to 1, we all know how lebs like to roll.

Nah they were mostly females in minis and high heels(of course appropriately dressed for a freezing night) and it was an older Sarge with a junior. They obviously had bigger fish to fry.

Pitchka Pitchka 3:40 pm 27 Aug 13

bundah said :

Saw about 4 or 5 peeps cross there late on Friday night a few weeks ago while the peds light was red. The surprising thing was that there were two cops standing right next to them who totally ignored them. One would have thought that they would have said something to them but no not a word, go figure.

4 or 5 peeps, 2 cops, yet they said nothing to them..

I have come to the conclusion that the 4 or 5 peeps were in fact Leb. Cops outnumbered 2 to 1, we all know how lebs like to roll.

bundah bundah 3:20 pm 27 Aug 13

Saw about 4 or 5 peeps cross there late on Friday night a few weeks ago while the peds light was red. The surprising thing was that there were two cops standing right next to them who totally ignored them. One would have thought that they would have said something to them but no not a word, go figure.

Henry82 Henry82 3:06 pm 27 Aug 13

Rawhide Kid Part3 said :

Maybe they could do what the do in some other capital cities. Have the lights go green for all the pedestrians in all directions at the intersection for a minute or two then go back to normal traffic.

All directions really only helps if many people are trying to get diagonally across the intersection (i.e. Park & George St, Syd). Northborne is over 50 meters wide, which is the issue here.

Rawhide Kid Part3 Rawhide Kid Part3 11:28 am 27 Aug 13

sepi said :

The problem is the ridiculous amount of time it takes to cross northbourne with the lights.

Unless you walk super fast, and start right at the start of the green light you cna’t get across in one set of green lights and have to stand around in the middle for ages. It seems like 10 minutes to get across there.

Maybe they could do what the do in some other capital cities. Have the lights go green for all the pedestrians in all directions at the intersection for a minute or two then go back to normal traffic.

Tymefor Tymefor 10:48 am 27 Aug 13

How do you actually get a fine for j walking? I don’t carry ID unless I’m driving. (terrible at losing my wallet). So how do the cops know who they are giving the fine to? I remember 10 years ago when there was a “crackdown” on littering cigarette butts. A number of the fines issued were for false names.

    johnboy johnboy 10:49 am 27 Aug 13

    The vast majority of the public aren’t very good at lying to police.

    If you find you’ve got the knack you might want to take a good hard look at yourself.

Henry82 Henry82 5:37 am 27 Aug 13

yep, i’ve seen someone get a fine for j-walking on that intersection. Just had to do it in front of police, on a Thursday night, and have a close call with vehicles. Was quite a few years ago though

Instant Mash Instant Mash 12:18 am 27 Aug 13

TheBusDriver said :

Oh my gosh, jay walkers. in Civic you say? Who’s have thunk? By the name of Yoyoyo? Boy, you don’t say. Next you will be telling me they’ll be complaining about buses not running on time.

This man needs a taxi.

squib squib 10:09 pm 26 Aug 13

Back in the day when I was at uni, I did an “observational study” of jaywalking at this exact intersection for some social research course.
http://efshare.com/?s=7WLXUV

TheBusDriver TheBusDriver 9:07 pm 26 Aug 13

Oh my gosh, jay walkers. in Civic you say? Who’s have thunk? By the name of Yoyoyo? Boy, you don’t say. Next you will be telling me they’ll be complaining about buses not running on time.

ML-585 ML-585 11:17 am 01 Jun 11

“In the direction of travel” – you are not required to turn back, rather you must only cross to the next refuge point.

BimboGeek BimboGeek 2:12 pm 30 May 11

ML-585 said :

(3) If, while the pedestrian is crossing the road, the pedestrian lights change to flashing red or red, the pedestrian must not stay on the road for longer than necessary to cross safely to the nearer (in the direction of travel of the pedestrian) of the following:
(b) the nearest side of the road. “

Do I have this right? If I step onto the road and the green light starts to be a red flashing light, I’m legally obliged to turn around and step back on to the kerb? Would NEVER happen!

ML-585 ML-585 12:49 pm 30 May 11

Genie said :

I have also nearly been run over by cars turning left from Northbourne Ave onto London Circuit, while I have a green man. I think most people don’t realise there is a “give way to pedestrians” sign there.

There is no sign that I recall. However, there is no need for a sign: ARR 62:

” (1) A driver turning at an intersection with traffic lights must give way to:
(a) any pedestrian at or near the intersection who is crossing the road the driver is entering; “

Also, refer ARR 231 Crossing a road at pedestrian lights:

“(2) If the pedestrian lights show a red pedestrian light and the pedestrian has not already started crossing the intersection or road, the pedestrian must not start to cross until the pedestrian lights change to green.
(3) If, while the pedestrian is crossing the road, the pedestrian lights change to flashing red or red, the pedestrian must not stay on the road for longer than necessary to cross safely to the nearer (in the direction of travel of the pedestrian) of the following:
(a) a dividing strip, safety zone, or traffic island, forming part of the area set aside or used by pedestrians to cross the road at the intersection or place (the safety area);
(b) the nearest side of the road. “

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