Closure of car park at National Library

peterw 23 July 2012 93

Hi all,

The National Capital Authority has given notice that the dirt car park situated between the National Library and the Lake will be permanently closed (except for special events) from Friday next week. Parking in this area will henceforth become even tighter…

From the National Library website:

Changes to car parking
Posted on: 23rd July 2012

The National Capital Authority will commence restoring the Patrick White Lawns, adjacent to the National Library in August 2012. The area will close at 5 pm on Friday 3 August and will no longer be available for car parking except for temporary use during special events.

The Patrick White Lawns commemorate the 1973 Australian of the Year and the first Australian to win the Nobel Prize for Literature. The restoration of the area is listed as a high priority in the Parliament House Vista Heritage Management Plan.

Visit www.natcap.gov.au for further information.


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Geeko Geeko 1:26 pm 06 Sep 12

The heat has been turned up on the lack of parking, but so far only more smoke and no flames or light.
The 666 radio interview this week highlights the fact that the issue is largely within the control of the NCA if they choose to act- rather than continue to defer to committees, or reviews, or studies.

The realities are
there is plenty of car parking in the zone – a largely empty mutli story carpark is located in barton
the workers there elect to park near questacon for free and walk over, other civic workers park and walk over the bridge. Tourists with young children and prams and now knoweldge of our poor public transport system are displaced. The institutions in parkes are for the nation to experience, the visitors deserve to be furious, and are. Just wait until we try to put a few more 100,000 tourist in next year for the centenary.

To rub real insult into the self serving actions of the NCA and friends, they have stated they will turn car parks in the national library over to short term free 3 hr parking. Strange that the NCA headquarters are DIRECTLY opposite those car parks, making it a dream for their staff to pick up car parks when they drift into work, walk over and swap cars at lunch time..

Is the lack of action also anything to do with the central departments of finance and treasury having an agreement in place with there staff to provide free care parking under their certified agreements. So if the car parks become pay parking those agencies will have to pay for the car parks and the fringe benefits…. HOW do the ACT public servants in civic feel about that ???? worth an ask for you next negotiation… its tax office approved ( well for their staff …… naaah naaah ne nahh nah….)

its about time the shiny bums stopped serving themselves and started serving the public.

Jethro Jethro 11:41 pm 27 Jul 12

c_c said :

Canberra is *not* New York, London or Melbourne

Try typing on RiotACT with an iPhone sometime, really something that needs to be improved with the next site revision.

Or a phone operating on Android.

I have a feeling it is the phones though, not this site specifically.

I have trouble creating any form of bulk text on my phone.

c_c c_c 6:46 pm 27 Jul 12

Canberra is *not* New York, London or Melbourne

Try typing on RiotACT with an iPhone sometime, really something that needs to be improved with the next site revision.

Antagonist Antagonist 6:16 pm 27 Jul 12

c_c said :

Only a retard would keep comparing Canberra to cities with populations in the millions.

Canberra is *note* New York, London or Melbourne.

You do see the irony here, don’t you?

damien haas damien haas 5:27 pm 27 Jul 12

The senior bureaucrat in the CT article I referenced was whining about tourists not being able to park. I pointed out that there are alternatives to parking and driving.

I apologise for using the term retard as an insult. I hope I have not offended anyone.

Canberra has national institutions, promoted nationally as cultural treasures for all to share and visit. You are being deliberately obtuse in ignoring this.

In most cities tourists use public transport to visit these types of attractions, i really cant see how i could explain this any more clearly. im sorry if your extensive research shows that public transport must deliver all people to 200 metres of their destination or it isnt practical, its not a statistic I’m familiar with.

c_c c_c 4:00 pm 27 Jul 12

damien haas said :

When you visit New York, London or Melbourne – do you drive to the main tourist attractions ?

I recall a combination of walking, subway, tram and ferry.

Only a retard would ignore the obvious solutions.

Higher population density, larger economy, true 24hr public transport.

Only a retard would keep comparing Canberra to cities with populations in the millions.

Canberra is note New York, London or Melbourne.

davo101 davo101 3:14 pm 27 Jul 12

damien haas said :

When you visit New York, London or Melbourne – do you drive to the main tourist attractions ?

Let’s see. Cities where I didn’t drive to tourist attractions:
Manhattan (population density 27 000/km^2)
London (population density 5200/km^2)

Where I did:
Melbourne (population density 1600/km^2)
Canberra (population density 1100/km^2)

damien haas said :

Only a retard would ignore the obvious solutions.

Yeap, in this town it’s known as a bus.

pajs pajs 2:38 pm 27 Jul 12

One of my jobs is in the Parliamentary Triangle. I used to think paid parking was a bad idea for here, as we did not have the equivalent services of a town centre (post office, shops, more childcare etc). But the more I got into taking the bus from where I live (northside) to and from work, trying out different route options to shave off trip time, the more I think I should change my mind. I now think that paid parking would be a good thing here, as it would free up parking spaces for commuters who needed to fit in the child-care run or for tourists to get to the attractions. I’d be out of pocket for those days when I need to drive, but think the benefits outweigh the extra cost.

devils_advocate devils_advocate 2:20 pm 27 Jul 12

carnardly said :

The carpark at Treasury often has spots available up until 9.30 am.

That is within walking distances to most places within the Parly Triangle for healty people.

But maybe people don’t want to walk more than 200 metres.

Are you sure those aren’t the SES spots? the regular spots fill up by 9 at the latest.

On the other occasions when the dirt carpark has been closed (filling the potholes etc) the questacon carpark has been filled by 9:15.

davo101 davo101 1:55 pm 27 Jul 12

carnardly said :

But maybe people don’t want to walk more than 200 metres.

The rule of thumb for transport planning is that people won’t walk further than 400m for bus or LRT or 800m for heavy rail. Which would explain the whining about a lack of public transport in the Triangle when then are many routes going past on Commonwealth Ave (it’s just too far to walk).

damien haas damien haas 1:49 pm 27 Jul 12

When you visit New York, London or Melbourne – do you drive to the main tourist attractions ?

I recall a combination of walking, subway, tram and ferry.

Only a retard would ignore the obvious solutions.

carnardly carnardly 11:37 am 27 Jul 12

The carpark at Treasury often has spots available up until 9.30 am. That is within walking distances to most places within the Parly Triangle for healty people. But maybe people don’t want to walk more than 200 metres.

c_c c_c 1:31 am 27 Jul 12

Stop claiming public transport is the answer.

Only a retard would claim that spending tens of millions rebuilding a city to have light rail is better than spending a tiny fraction of that just building an underground carpark.

damien haas damien haas 11:37 pm 26 Jul 12

The article in todays Ct was just beautiful.

ACT Light Rail response here:

http://www.actlightrail.info/2012/07/parkland-does-not-mean-free-parking-in.html

Better public transport would be attractive to tourists and commuters. It doesnt exist today – or that CT article would never have been written.

Damien Haas
Chair, ACT Light Rail

DrKoresh DrKoresh 3:11 pm 26 Jul 12

Tetranitrate said :

Oh and when bus just passes by like that on a lower frequency suburban loop it can really f**k up your day – even if the route is 15 minute intervals during peak times, that means ensuring that time is free in case of such an occurrence, or in case the bus simply never turns up, or turns up significantly early.

I’ll bite and admit that catching the bus is a pretty shitty solution in your case, but your reason for not cycling is just pathetic. And I’m not even saying that as a cyclist, I’m saying that as a lazy person.

screaming banshee screaming banshee 12:52 pm 26 Jul 12

A look at the recent near map shots shows that acton park always has plenty of parking, levy all day parking in the triangle at the same rate and heavily police free 2 hour zones and I’ll bet the problem of finding a car park will go away.

HenryBG HenryBG 12:09 pm 26 Jul 12

davo101 said :

HenryBG said :

Gosh – sounds like a UN-inspired commie plot to take over the world. Can’t have that. It’ll never work, anyway. Plus there’s no such thing as “Parking” – it’s all a hoax.

No, no you misunderstand, parking exists–the hoax is the concept that there is some sort of environmental effect if you park. No one has ever proved that carpark congestion is anything other than a natural phenomena 😉

Plus, an eminent scientist with googly eyes who once advised Margaret Thatcher on car parking has revealed that there was a massive carpark congestion problem during the Little Ice Age, proving that it’s all a natural phenomenon anyway.

devils_advocate devils_advocate 11:57 am 26 Jul 12

KB1971 said :

Devis Advocate – Yep, my comment was not strictly on topic but a thread is a conversation & most conversations generally do not stay on one topic for too long. People have brought pay parkign to the table which isnt the issue here either.

Anyway, there is still plenty of parkng in the area with the closure of this car park, it just might not be right at their works dorstep.

Fair enough, you’ve clarified your position so I’m happy to move on.

Essentially there’s an economic problem – no price signal, so demand exceeds supply. With the further reduction in demand, people will start coming to work earlier to get the fewer available spaces.

The problem is further complicated by substitutability – some people are debating the extent to which public transport/cycling etc is a substitute for a private car.

I think one of the key complications is that the group that is claiming they are least able to substitute – people who are doing the school run – are also the people that are least able to get in early to get the available parks. But as I said before, I won’t shed a tear for them, primarily because of all the other handouts “working famblies” recieve, and have developed an entitlement complex in respect of.

The people who are most able to substitute to public transport – young singles with no kids – have no incentives to do so because they can simply leave for work earlier. I find it unlikely that the reduction in q supplied will be so great that people will have to turn up so early that it will wipe out the convenience of driving to a free carpark. So in that sense, it is somewhat like an adverse selection problem, except that singles people with no kids enjoying a benefit for once in their lives is in no sense “adverse”.

KB1971 KB1971 9:30 am 26 Jul 12

Tetranitrate said :

KB1971 said :

Tetranitrate said :

Absolutely agree that expecting free parking within the parliamentary triangle is unreasonable, but I do feel I need to remind you that the triangle is not the CBD.

My post was mainly in objection to the ‘shut up and be glad you’re not in Sydney’ post I quoted – it’s just irrelevant. I mean why stop at Sydney? why not New York or Tokyo why we’re at it?
I mean it’s like saying “you think the traffic is bad? well it’s worse in shanghai so shut up, don’t ever expect better, and stop complaining when it gets worse.”
.

Where in my post did I say that? You put 2 & 2 together & made 46.

KB1971 said :

I am sure Sydneysiders whould laugh if they saw half the threads here about parking.

Feel free to continue peddling though.

So, you quote one sentence for convenience to suit your own agenda & you have the hide to accuse me of pedalling something?

I also started out saying that my eyes were opened at a recent trip to Sydney indicating that I was making an observation, not a comparison, obviously the context was lost on you.

As I said later on:

“I was also just making an observation about Sydney, I had not realised how expensive it is. Parking was relatively easy to find even though it was expensive.

If I were to make a comparison I would have quoted local prices & said stop your whinging.”

I find it hilarious that you assumed all that from one sentence.

Devis Advocate – Yep, my comment was not strictly on topic but a thread is a conversation & most conversations generally do not stay on one topic for too long. People have brought pay parkign to the table which isnt the issue here either.

Anyway, there is still plenty of parkng in the area with the closure of this car park, it just might not be right at their works dorstep.

devils_advocate devils_advocate 8:22 am 26 Jul 12

KB1971 said :

Tetranitrate said :

Absolutely agree that expecting free parking within the parliamentary triangle is unreasonable, but I do feel I need to remind you that the triangle is not the CBD.

My post was mainly in objection to the ‘shut up and be glad you’re not in Sydney’ post I quoted – it’s just irrelevant. I mean why stop at Sydney? why not New York or Tokyo why we’re at it?
I mean it’s like saying “you think the traffic is bad? well it’s worse in shanghai so shut up, don’t ever expect better, and stop complaining when it gets worse.”
.

Where in my post did I say that? You put 2 & 2 together & made 46.

It was a reasonable implication – this post was complaining about canberra parking, there is little other conclusion to draw from a comparison with sydney parking.

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