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Coal: Bigger Than The Elephant In The Room

By SEEChangeIncCanberra - 1 February 2012 136

What is even bigger than the elephant in the room?  Find out next Tuesday – 7th February, 6.30 pm at the Finkel Theatre, John Curtin School of Medical Research, ANU.

Jeremy Tager is stepping down from his post as senior political advisor to Greenpeace Australia.  Before he leaves Canberra, SEE-Change has arranged for him to deliver a talk about our coal industry.

This talk will present the anomaly of massive government subsidies to the coal industry and Australia’s responsibility as a major coal exporter to other countries at a time when we are ostensibly committed to reducing global carbon dioxide emissions.  Questions will be taken after the talk.

To reserve your place, please vist our event page here.

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136 Responses to
Coal: Bigger Than The Elephant In The Room
IrishPete 10:21 am 05 Feb 12

welkin31 said :

And I assume that if we locked our coal up as Greenpeace wants – China would stop burning coal ?

They’d stop burning our coal, which would give me a warm inner glow.

More seriously, probably worldwide coal prices would rise, and everyone currently burning coal would become even more motivated to look for alternatives.

IP

poetix 8:50 am 05 Feb 12

Jethro said :

Breda, you’ve convinced me.

Who would accept the findings of the very vast majority of the worlds’ climate scientists, when we have the incredible insights of an armchair conspiracy theorist.

The conspiracy theorists are backed up by the finest minds in talk-back radio. Persuasive stuff.

astrojax 8:06 am 05 Feb 12

Jethro said :

Breda, you’ve convinced me.

Who would accept the findings of the very vast majority of the worlds’ climate scientists, when we have the incredible insights of an armchair conspiracy theorist.

especially one that links to a cherry-picking skeptic’s blog, rather than, say, credible science – perhaps breda would like to read, carefully, through http://unfccc.int/2860.php and see if there are some easy soundbites to make it sound like you have your conspiracy backed up… pathetic right wing scoundrel idiots concern me – they get to vote, too.

Jethro 7:28 am 05 Feb 12

Waiting for Godot – because Canberra is the globe and local weather reflects global climate.

As a globe, we are not cooling. Global temperatures continue to increase. The first decade of the 21st century was the hottest on record.

But I guess your ‘looking out the window’ model is more exact than the culminated efforts of thousands of scientists using collated data from around the globe.

Jethro 6:23 am 05 Feb 12

Breda, you’ve convinced me.

Who would accept the findings of the very vast majority of the worlds’ climate scientists, when we have the incredible insights of an armchair conspiracy theorist.

Waiting For Godot 1:53 am 05 Feb 12

When I look out the window and see the rain and put on my winter clothes during an Aussie summer I can’t help thinking how badly many people were conned by the global warming brigade.

Global warming stopped in 1997, it only went for a few years and normal climatic patterns were restored. We are now cooling, in fact many are predicting we are heading towards another ice age.

You can understand why so many people fell for the great climate change con. We were in a huge drought which just went on and on, and in the middle of it all came a former US vice president – Al Gore – and a Hollywood movie which put forward the theory of global warming which was eagerly taken up by environmentalists and others in the broad left.

Now it all just seems to be a sick joke. When you have people writing to The Canberra Times saying that exercising causes climate change and we should stop all physical activity and take up reading, and when you have people calling carbon dioxide a pollutant, when in fact it is a building block of life which plants inhale, then it becomes abundantly obvious that the climate change brigade lacks credibility and intelligence and can’t be taken seriously anymore.

Slowly but surely the climate change bandwagon is falling off the rails as more and more people reject the hype and lies and see it for what it is – a massive con promoted by a compliant media in conjunction with leftists and other naive dreamers and hucksters.

PA1 9:54 pm 04 Feb 12

I think the elephant in the room is that green movement is trying to have one’s cake and eat it too (Low emissions and no nuclear power). The problem is they are yet to come up with an alternative which is remotely close to the cost of coal generation.

justin heywood 7:42 pm 04 Feb 12

breda said :

How’s that catastrophic global warming thing going for you?

They call it Climate Change these days as you are no doubt aware. The reason that they do is because unscientific people look out their window, see that it’s cold outside, then leap to the conclusion that global climate scientists must be idiots because it’s cold at their house.

Charlatans? Sure, many people have jumped on climate change as a trojan horse for their wider agenda. But to label climate scientists as dishonest or incompetent indicates a lack of knowledge about how science works. Science is not based on the opinion of one scientist or one piece of evidence. Science is based on the accumulation of evidence and consensus opinion about what that evidence means. The consensus is overwhelmingly that climate change is a serious threat to our way of life.

I sincerely hope climate scientists are wrong, but I doubt it.

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Postalgeek 7:18 pm 04 Feb 12

Just promise me that, should you start coughing up blood one day, you’ll consult a podiatrist and tell the pulmonologists that they know shit.

breda 6:38 pm 04 Feb 12

How’s that catastrophic global warming thing going for you?

RIP the poor sods in Europe who have frozen to death in the past week, not to mention ice cream vendors all over eastern Australia.

Oh, and the UK Parliament has just released a report saying that they expect ‘natural variation’ to dominate the local climate for the next few decades:

http://www.bishop-hill.net/blog/2012/2/3/note-it-post.html

But the UK government is not backing off from its lunatic policies. If the models don’t work, we revert to ‘natural variation’. Heads I win, tails you lose.

Sadly, their Climate Change Minister has just had to resign after being charged with perverting the course of justice. His ex wife says he got her to to take the rap for the speeding fine that would have maxed out his points – just another Marcus Einfeld, so preoccupied with saving the world that normal standards of honesty don’t apply. What is it with people who want to impose their ‘virtuous’ ideas on us by force and personal ethics?

Prepare for lots of backpedalling into ‘sustainability’ (definition, requiring a subsidy to be sustained) and ‘biodiversity’ (definition, creating new sub-species following successful grant application) for the usual suspects. Of course, these worthy objectives will have to be enforced by legislative fiat. Meet the new boss, etc.

The elephant in the room is the extent to which these charlatans have conned governments and the public – with one hand firmly in each of our pockets to create ‘green jobs’ for themselves and their mates.

One day, I’ll tell you what I really think. 🙂

welkin31 8:03 am 04 Feb 12

And I assume that if we locked our coal up as Greenpeace wants – China would stop burning coal ?

Diggety 11:23 pm 03 Feb 12

Perhaps you could update with video and Q&A?

SEEChangeIncCanberra 1:31 pm 02 Feb 12

Actually, Solidarity, we are hoping to expose a bias. But as we all know: bias is like BO – everybody’s is offensive except your own.

poetix 12:00 pm 02 Feb 12

Somehow I think nuclear power will be the mammoth whose name we dare not speak…

Solidarity 11:25 am 02 Feb 12

Sounds really unbiased.

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