Complaints from the prison

I was talking about this thread to a dear friend of mine who has done some time in AMC. And no, he’s not a criminal scumbag, just an ordinary, intelligent, educated person with a family and a good job whose nice ordinary life fell apart completely because of one horrifically stupid action after a night on the grog.

And guess what, he agrees with the majority of posters here. Says AMC is a wonderful prison with great facilities and opportunities for rehabilitation, but some of the people inside just like to whinge. He shook his head about the prisoner who was asking for painkillers but really wanted a light for his cigarette. Said that happens all the time and it wastes the guards’ time.

He had no comment on the noodles, however.

Queen_of_the_Bun said :

Deref said :

Perhaps he’s just a Pastafarian demanding his religious rights.

rAmen.

Pho sure.

Ah, at last someone using their noodle.

Deref said :

Perhaps he’s just a Pastafarian demanding his religious rights.

rAmen.

Pho sure.

HiddenDragon said :

Nylex_Clock said :

HiddenDragon said :

Queen_of_the_Bun said :

……..You would only be thinking “there but for the grace of god go I” if you were a criminal scumbag……..

“Criminal scumbag” – of course – there could be no other conceivable explanation for having such irredeemably wicked thoughts.

Other than having empathy and an imagination of course. We can drink martinis in hell together HD.

Smackbang said :

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

They both actually work, pretty boy.

“Pretty boy”? Really?

What sort of schoolyard-level homophobic name-calling can we expect next? Fag? Poof? Pansy?

Maybe leave it out.

Irish Pete can explain it to those not paying attention…

JonnieWalker said :

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

IrishPete said :

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

Yeah, anybody who uses a fringe example as a fact to make their point is a moron.

To which example are you referring, the Milat example or the Bundy example? Because your comment can’t apply to one without also applying to the other.

In response to Nylex_Clock’s use of Milat as an example – no-one was discussing serial killers. There aren’t many in Canberra. There are lots of burglars, car thieves, and robbers (and drink drivers), MOST of them addicted to drugs of one form or another, many of them also with serious alcohol problems.

And in response to your later comment, unfortunately by the time kids go to school a lot of the damage has already been done. And the 30 or so hours they spend in school each week for most of the year (if they even go to school) has to be weighed up against the other 100+ hours per week they are spending elsewhere.

There are plenty of examples of kids from well-off backgrounds going into crime, and there are plenty of examples of kids from deprived backgrounds not going into crime. But the connection is strong. Very strong.

It’s also the case that rich folk do different crime – they don’t steal your car, they steal your superannuation. Whether it’s as common, we don’t know, because this stuff often doesn’t get discovered. In fact, banks and other companies cover up a lot, because they don’t want to undermine public trust in them. (They obviously don’t believe in deterrence and punishment.)

IP

They both actually work, pretty boy. Serial killers do not generally cause the rest of the family to become serial killers, just as the church does generally not cause peeps to become serial killers.

Questionable comment at best. Do the research. Instead of looking at serial killers – look at multiple homicide – it might not fit your hollywood ComicCon definitions but check it out anyway.

Semantics.

Nylex_Clock said :

HiddenDragon said :

Queen_of_the_Bun said :

……..You would only be thinking “there but for the grace of god go I” if you were a criminal scumbag……..

“Criminal scumbag” – of course – there could be no other conceivable explanation for having such irredeemably wicked thoughts.

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

IrishPete said :

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

Yeah, anybody who uses a fringe example as a fact to make their point is a moron.

To which example are you referring, the Milat example or the Bundy example? Because your comment can’t apply to one without also applying to the other.

In response to Nylex_Clock’s use of Milat as an example – no-one was discussing serial killers. There aren’t many in Canberra. There are lots of burglars, car thieves, and robbers (and drink drivers), MOST of them addicted to drugs of one form or another, many of them also with serious alcohol problems.

And in response to your later comment, unfortunately by the time kids go to school a lot of the damage has already been done. And the 30 or so hours they spend in school each week for most of the year (if they even go to school) has to be weighed up against the other 100+ hours per week they are spending elsewhere.

There are plenty of examples of kids from well-off backgrounds going into crime, and there are plenty of examples of kids from deprived backgrounds not going into crime. But the connection is strong. Very strong.

It’s also the case that rich folk do different crime – they don’t steal your car, they steal your superannuation. Whether it’s as common, we don’t know, because this stuff often doesn’t get discovered. In fact, banks and other companies cover up a lot, because they don’t want to undermine public trust in them. (They obviously don’t believe in deterrence and punishment.)

IP

They both actually work, pretty boy. Serial killers do not generally cause the rest of the family to become serial killers, just as the church does generally not cause peeps to become serial killers.

Pretty boy? for real?

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

They both actually work, pretty boy.

“Pretty boy”? Really?

What sort of schoolyard-level homophobic name-calling can we expect next? Fag? Poof? Pansy?

Maybe leave it out.

c_c™ said :

The Crimes has finally got the story: http://www.canberratimes.com.au/act-news/lack-of-noodles-damaged-eggs-among-act-prisoners-complaints-20140117-30z2f.html

Odd that they don’t give a link to the original PDF like the RiotACT has usefully done.

They don’t want to encourage people to use the internet.

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

IrishPete said :

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

Yeah, anybody who uses a fringe example as a fact to make their point is a moron.

To which example are you referring, the Milat example or the Bundy example? Because your comment can’t apply to one without also applying to the other.

In response to Nylex_Clock’s use of Milat as an example – no-one was discussing serial killers. There aren’t many in Canberra. There are lots of burglars, car thieves, and robbers (and drink drivers), MOST of them addicted to drugs of one form or another, many of them also with serious alcohol problems.

And in response to your later comment, unfortunately by the time kids go to school a lot of the damage has already been done. And the 30 or so hours they spend in school each week for most of the year (if they even go to school) has to be weighed up against the other 100+ hours per week they are spending elsewhere.

There are plenty of examples of kids from well-off backgrounds going into crime, and there are plenty of examples of kids from deprived backgrounds not going into crime. But the connection is strong. Very strong.

It’s also the case that rich folk do different crime – they don’t steal your car, they steal your superannuation. Whether it’s as common, we don’t know, because this stuff often doesn’t get discovered. In fact, banks and other companies cover up a lot, because they don’t want to undermine public trust in them. (They obviously don’t believe in deterrence and punishment.)

IP

They both actually work, pretty boy. Serial killers do not generally cause the rest of the family to become serial killers, just as the church does generally not cause peeps to become serial killers.

Questionable comment at best. Do the research. Instead of looking at serial killers – look at multiple homicide – it might not fit your hollywood ComicCon definitions but check it out anyway.

The Crimes has finally got the story: http://www.canberratimes.com.au/act-news/lack-of-noodles-damaged-eggs-among-act-prisoners-complaints-20140117-30z2f.html

Odd that they don’t give a link to the original PDF like the RiotACT has usefully done.

Perhaps he’s just a Pastafarian demanding his religious rights.

rAmen.

HiddenDragon said :

Queen_of_the_Bun said :

People are bored in prison, they are going to complain about trivial stuff because that becomes their whole life.

Those of us who were lucky enough to have good educations and people around us who steered us away from the bad should look at these forms and thank the lords of Festivus for sparing us this tedious hell.

………..”.

Essentially my view, too – “there, but for the grace of God, goeth I” (or words to that effect) is a sentiment worth reflecting on, from time to time.

You would only be thinking “there but for the grace of god go I” if you were a criminal scumbag.

As a person who respects other people’s property, I don’t find much to empathise about in the lives of those whose criminality has been so studious as to have led them to earning a gaol term even under our extremely lax justice system.

IrishPete said :

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

Yeah, anybody who uses a fringe example as a fact to make their point is a moron.

To which example are you referring, the Milat example or the Bundy example? Because your comment can’t apply to one without also applying to the other.

In response to Nylex_Clock’s use of Milat as an example – no-one was discussing serial killers. There aren’t many in Canberra. There are lots of burglars, car thieves, and robbers (and drink drivers), MOST of them addicted to drugs of one form or another, many of them also with serious alcohol problems.

And in response to your later comment, unfortunately by the time kids go to school a lot of the damage has already been done. And the 30 or so hours they spend in school each week for most of the year (if they even go to school) has to be weighed up against the other 100+ hours per week they are spending elsewhere.

There are plenty of examples of kids from well-off backgrounds going into crime, and there are plenty of examples of kids from deprived backgrounds not going into crime. But the connection is strong. Very strong.

It’s also the case that rich folk do different crime – they don’t steal your car, they steal your superannuation. Whether it’s as common, we don’t know, because this stuff often doesn’t get discovered. In fact, banks and other companies cover up a lot, because they don’t want to undermine public trust in them. (They obviously don’t believe in deterrence and punishment.)

IP

They both actually work, pretty boy. Serial killers do not generally cause the rest of the family to become serial killers, just as the church does generally not cause peeps to become serial killers.

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

Why are they allowed to smoke?

Because we are not allowed to use an electric chair or hangman’s noose to euthanize them.

Queen_of_the_Bun said :

People are bored in prison, they are going to complain about trivial stuff because that becomes their whole life.

Those of us who were lucky enough to have good educations and people around us who steered us away from the bad should look at these forms and thank the lords of Festivus for sparing us this tedious hell.

………..”.

Essentially my view, too – “there, but for the grace of God, goeth I” (or words to that effect) is a sentiment worth reflecting on, from time to time.

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

Yeah, anybody who uses a fringe example as a fact to make their point is a moron.

To which example are you referring, the Milat example or the Bundy example? Because your comment can’t apply to one without also applying to the other.

In response to Nylex_Clock’s use of Milat as an example – no-one was discussing serial killers. There aren’t many in Canberra. There are lots of burglars, car thieves, and robbers (and drink drivers), MOST of them addicted to drugs of one form or another, many of them also with serious alcohol problems.

And in response to your later comment, unfortunately by the time kids go to school a lot of the damage has already been done. And the 30 or so hours they spend in school each week for most of the year (if they even go to school) has to be weighed up against the other 100+ hours per week they are spending elsewhere.

There are plenty of examples of kids from well-off backgrounds going into crime, and there are plenty of examples of kids from deprived backgrounds not going into crime. But the connection is strong. Very strong.

It’s also the case that rich folk do different crime – they don’t steal your car, they steal your superannuation. Whether it’s as common, we don’t know, because this stuff often doesn’t get discovered. In fact, banks and other companies cover up a lot, because they don’t want to undermine public trust in them. (They obviously don’t believe in deterrence and punishment.)

IP

JonnieWalker said :

Nylex_Clock said :

IrishPete said :

CraigT said :

Right, because if you’re born poor, you have no choice but to be lazy, undisciplined, and disrespectful of other peoples’ rights and property.

Basically you are correct. Children don’t make choices, their parents make them for them. By the time they are old enough to make their own choices, the damage is generally already done and their choices have been greatly limited. We’re not talking about “poor” really, we are talking about neglect, even abuse, and exposure to abuse. These aren’t confined to the poor, but are more common among people with lesser financial resources.

You aren’t born with pro-social or anti-social attitudes, you are taught them by the people responsible for teaching you, which is mainly your parents, siblings and so on. and only those people for the first few years of life.

IP

Right, so every single member of the Milat family had no choice but to become serial-killers.

Uh, hang on, only one of them had no choice about it. The others managed to avoid becoming serial-killers. How did that happen, if none of them had the choice?

I would put some types of crims in a slightly different basket – Ted Bundy came from a very good family – no abuse, church every week. For the majority environemnt and socialisation has a huge part to play – but there is no denying that genetic and biological factors come in to play for a few. Some cognitive disorders are genetic, and its these ones we really need to watch and manage. Milat may have been one of those – I’m not sure – certainly fits the criteria but we’ll never know unless he is tested – but cognitive disorders should not be used as a legal defence (but your honour, im a sociopath – I had no choice but to stab him). I agree with IP on this one – but probably differ on how we deal with them.

Deal with them by teaching them discipline in school, otherwise they will have to learn it in prison. The education system has let these people down by failing to demand high standards in their behaviour and academic achievement.

JonnieWalker said :

Nylex_Clock said :

IrishPete said :

CraigT said :

Right, because if you’re born poor, you have no choice but to be lazy, undisciplined, and disrespectful of other peoples’ rights and property.

Basically you are correct. Children don’t make choices, their parents make them for them. By the time they are old enough to make their own choices, the damage is generally already done and their choices have been greatly limited. We’re not talking about “poor” really, we are talking about neglect, even abuse, and exposure to abuse. These aren’t confined to the poor, but are more common among people with lesser financial resources.

You aren’t born with pro-social or anti-social attitudes, you are taught them by the people responsible for teaching you, which is mainly your parents, siblings and so on. and only those people for the first few years of life.

IP

Right, so every single member of the Milat family had no choice but to become serial-killers.

Uh, hang on, only one of them had no choice about it. The others managed to avoid becoming serial-killers. How did that happen, if none of them had the choice?

I would put some types of crims in a slightly different basket – Ted Bundy came from a very good family – no abuse, church every week. For the majority environemnt and socialisation has a huge part to play – but there is no denying that genetic and biological factors come in to play for a few. Some cognitive disorders are genetic, and its these ones we really need to watch and manage. Milat may have been one of those – I’m not sure – certainly fits the criteria but we’ll never know unless he is tested – but cognitive disorders should not be used as a legal defence (but your honour, im a sociopath – I had no choice but to stab him). I agree with IP on this one – but probably differ on how we deal with them.

Yeah, anybody who uses a fringe example as a fact to make their point is a moron.

Nylex_Clock said :

IrishPete said :

CraigT said :

Right, because if you’re born poor, you have no choice but to be lazy, undisciplined, and disrespectful of other peoples’ rights and property.

Basically you are correct. Children don’t make choices, their parents make them for them. By the time they are old enough to make their own choices, the damage is generally already done and their choices have been greatly limited. We’re not talking about “poor” really, we are talking about neglect, even abuse, and exposure to abuse. These aren’t confined to the poor, but are more common among people with lesser financial resources.

You aren’t born with pro-social or anti-social attitudes, you are taught them by the people responsible for teaching you, which is mainly your parents, siblings and so on. and only those people for the first few years of life.

IP

Right, so every single member of the Milat family had no choice but to become serial-killers.

Uh, hang on, only one of them had no choice about it. The others managed to avoid becoming serial-killers. How did that happen, if none of them had the choice?

I would put some types of crims in a slightly different basket – Ted Bundy came from a very good family – no abuse, church every week. For the majority environemnt and socialisation has a huge part to play – but there is no denying that genetic and biological factors come in to play for a few. Some cognitive disorders are genetic, and its these ones we really need to watch and manage. Milat may have been one of those – I’m not sure – certainly fits the criteria but we’ll never know unless he is tested – but cognitive disorders should not be used as a legal defence (but your honour, im a sociopath – I had no choice but to stab him). I agree with IP on this one – but probably differ on how we deal with them.

My Query: Other than making prisoners look uneducated and petty (next mission, prove sky blue, then to prove its hot outside…) what was the basis of this FOI request?

IrishPete said :

CraigT said :

Right, because if you’re born poor, you have no choice but to be lazy, undisciplined, and disrespectful of other peoples’ rights and property.

Basically you are correct. Children don’t make choices, their parents make them for them. By the time they are old enough to make their own choices, the damage is generally already done and their choices have been greatly limited. We’re not talking about “poor” really, we are talking about neglect, even abuse, and exposure to abuse. These aren’t confined to the poor, but are more common among people with lesser financial resources.

You aren’t born with pro-social or anti-social attitudes, you are taught them by the people responsible for teaching you, which is mainly your parents, siblings and so on. and only those people for the first few years of life.

IP

Right, so every single member of the Milat family had no choice but to become serial-killers.

Uh, hang on, only one of them had no choice about it. The others managed to avoid becoming serial-killers. How did that happen, if none of them had the choice?

CraigT said :

Right, because if you’re born poor, you have no choice but to be lazy, undisciplined, and disrespectful of other peoples’ rights and property.

Basically you are correct. Children don’t make choices, their parents make them for them. By the time they are old enough to make their own choices, the damage is generally already done and their choices have been greatly limited. We’re not talking about “poor” really, we are talking about neglect, even abuse, and exposure to abuse. These aren’t confined to the poor, but are more common among people with lesser financial resources.

You aren’t born with pro-social or anti-social attitudes, you are taught them by the people responsible for teaching you, which is mainly your parents, siblings and so on. and only those people for the first few years of life.

IP

Are the first two from the same woman??

Good to see no complaints about the rising electricity prices, rates, fuel prices, insurance premiums…

I do wonder why they have left the names of the officers in the FOI material and not redacted them?

Richard Bender said :

I love how you’re all going off half-cocked about the noodles without bothering to read the full complaint,.

I reckon the guy with the noodels was the only valid complaint of the lot.

He arrives at gaol, finds out he’s just missed the weekly?) shopping run, and so settles down with nothing to do and nothing to look forward to except the following week’s shopping run.
The shopping run comes around, he assigns his entire $2 budget to noodels, goes back to his cell and does nothing, waiting for his noodels to arrive.
Shopping run returns. He’s excited. Nothing appears. He asks for his noodels he’s been looking forward to all week. He’s told, “sorry, we are completely useless: can’t even buy a couple of packets of 2-minute noodels for you: here’s your $2 back, and no, we couldn’t possibly grab a handful of noodel packets out of the big huge costco box of 50 in the canteen cupboard, bad luck”.

I actually feel for this guy.
If I was the warden, I’d give him my personal noodels out of my personal stash in the bottom drawer of my desk I keep there for my cheapskate lunches.

Queen_of_the_Bun said :

Those of us who were lucky enough to have good educations and people around us who steered us away from the bad should look at these forms and thank the lords of Festivus for sparing us this tedious hell.

Right, because if you’re born poor, you have no choice but to be lazy, undisciplined, and disrespectful of other peoples’ rights and property.

Nobody needs to be steered away from being bad except for bad people. Most people are not bad. Non-bad people are not responsible for the life choices of the bad people.

54-11 said :

c_c™ said :

Box visit = kept boxed up, not able to make physical contact with visitor.
You’d guess there was some prior attempt to smuggle contraband.

Ah, here I was thinking it had something to do with conjugal visits…

Yeah, but she seems to be saying her boyfriends’ restriction to “Box visits” was some kind of punishment.

…But then again, the boxes on those nasty tattooed junky hids would qualify as a particularly cruel and unusual (if not downright lethal) punishment in my book.

Pork Hunt said :

I often wonder what goes through the mind of the average criminal before they do the crime? What superpower do they think they have that will make them invisible in the eyes of the law?
There are several people I’d like to knock off but I’d get sprung…
Perhaps IP can help me with one or both issues?

Judging by your ability to correctly string a bunch of words together it would seem likely that any crime you planned and committed would be thrown in the too-hard-basket in favour of busting more halfwit illiterates with psychological problems.

If you get *really* lucky they’ll even find a convenient nutter and pin your crime on him, thus allowing you to get on with your post-crime life with no fear of any future repercussions.

MWF said :

What I found delightful when reading the entire 52 page document, was the atrocious spelling, grammar etc. of the people employed by the AMC.

Their, they’re, there.

FFS? Is it THAT difficult? How much does the ACT Govt. pay these morons who can’t spell or use grammar?

Maybe when they give them back they should red pen it and give the crims gold stars for proper punctuation. They’ll be ready and suitably qualified for an EL2 in APS by the time they get out.

What I found delightful when reading the entire 52 page document, was the atrocious spelling, grammar etc. of the people employed by the AMC.

Their, they’re, there.

FFS? Is it THAT difficult? How much does the ACT Govt. pay these morons who can’t spell or use grammar?

c_c™ said :

Box visit = kept boxed up, not able to make physical contact with visitor.
You’d guess there was some prior attempt to smuggle contraband.

Ah, here I was thinking it had something to do with conjugal visits…

Yes – poor kid.

I liked ‘cease all opportunities’ (seize?).

Sadly what she wrote is probably more true.

Why are they allowed to smoke?

People are bored in prison, they are going to complain about trivial stuff because that becomes their whole life.

Those of us who were lucky enough to have good educations and people around us who steered us away from the bad should look at these forms and thank the lords of Festivus for sparing us this tedious hell.

For mine the tragedy is the poor little baby being brought to visit both parents in AMC.

My highlight is “in a propet”. Had to read it several times to realise it was “inappropriate”.

I’m going to make a bet that the complaint about the sore thumb is David Eastman.

I don’t think Johnny Cash is rolling over in his grave about this lot. ‘Johnny Cash at AMC’ does not inspire.

In all this, you are assuming that the ACT prison is not acting as a de facto psych ward for people who may or may not be as competent as others.

They still don’t get noodels.

Box visit = kept boxed up, not able to make physical contact with visitor.
You’d guess there was some prior attempt to smuggle contraband.

Pork Hunt said :

I often wonder what goes through the mind of the average criminal before they do the crime? What superpower do they think they have that will make them invisible in the eyes of the law?
There are several people I’d like to knock off but I’d get sprung…
Perhaps IP can help me with one or both issues?

Since you asked, if I had to put the answer to the second question in one word – stupidity. So the answer to the first question is “not very much”.

If I had the leeway to use more words I wouldn’t be quite as blunt and insensitive. But it’s too hot for many words.

I can’t help with your homicidal plans. (Not sure if that was the second issue you were asking about, or whether the two issues were the two questions.)

But what this thread really needs is a Graphologist.

IP

I love how you’re all going off half-cocked about the noodles without bothering to read the full complaint, which was that the prisoner had paid for two minute noodles (as part of whatever shopping system the AMC has), but that no noodles had been received. The end result was that the prisoner received a refund. Seems fair enough to me.

Some of the other complaints, on the other hand…

Pork Hunt said :

I often wonder what goes through the mind of the average criminal before they do the crime? What superpower do they think they have that will make them invisible in the eyes of the law?
There are several people I’d like to knock off but I’d get sprung…
Perhaps IP can help me with one or both issues?

The irony is that if we were to knock them off, then we would be the ones in trouble. .. Political correctness gone mad!

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

Wow. That first one.

If you cared about seeing your child you would not be in gaol, moron.

If I understand correctly, this woman criminal AND her criminal boyfriend are BOTH in gaol at the same time. No way that has happened without some serious and repeated criminality. The best outcome for the child is to have it removed from these parents altogether and placed with some honest couple who will be capable of bringing her up outside of a life of crime.

Can anybody explain, what are these “Box visits” that the criminal’s criminal boyfriend is currently subject to, and what behaviour on his part would have led to them being necessary?

I often wonder what goes through the mind of the average criminal before they do the crime? What superpower do they think they have that will make them invisible in the eyes of the law?
There are several people I’d like to knock off but I’d get sprung…
Perhaps IP can help me with one or both issues?

Wow. That first one.

If you cared about seeing your child you would not be in gaol, moron.

Persephone said :

May be we should give this criminal their request for noodles, followed by a comfy chair, like an electric chair.

they’ll need a comfy chair after the sterilisation

Persephone said :

May be we should give this criminal their request for noodles, followed by a comfy chair, like an electric chair.

If you ever run for office I can personally guarantee you my vote

May be we should give this criminal their request for noodles, followed by a comfy chair, like an electric chair.

HiddenDragon said :

johnboy said :

a blistering sense of entitlement goes hand in hand with a lot of crime.

It can also be a political statement of sorts, or at least rationalised as such – (other people’s) property is theft; and, of course, a potent sense of entitlement and/or resentment is by no means the sole preserve of those who find themselves on the wrong side of the law.

The vast majority of crims rationalise it in some way. Only a very small percentage (I’d put it at under 1% myself) with a condition dont do this because of a cognitive disorder which can be measured through a scan (non-functional amygdula).

The up side is that if it is ‘rationalised’ then it is learned – it can be prevented or changed. I’d suggest more mandatory work programs, and in some cases – corporal punishment. Possibly a little insensitive – but take a dog training manual as the basis on go from there.

johnboy said :

Agreed white collar criminals feel it too and are more likely to be considered pillars of the community.

Dare I say it the same goes for some politicians.

Such as “When the President does it, that means it is not illegal” – and so on, down the feeding chain.

johnboy said :

a blistering sense of entitlement goes hand in hand with a lot of crime.

It can also be a political statement of sorts, or at least rationalised as such – (other people’s) property is theft; and, of course, a potent sense of entitlement and/or resentment is by no means the sole preserve of those who find themselves on the wrong side of the law.

johnboy said :

a blistering sense of entitlement goes hand in hand with a lot of crime.

+1 and a bottle of JD helps too.. Im more of a scotch man myself

Roundhead89 said :

He wants noodles? What was wrong with the seafood smorgasbord?

Doesnt want to get Hep from all the spit the prisiners used to prepare the meals.

Holden Caulfield said :

c_c™ said :

You don’t exactly need to be a handwriting expert to profile some of these prisoners…

But I thought you were an expert on everything?

Not even close to being.

Smackbang said :

I agree that it’s a bit rich for a prisoner to complain about family having to travel long distances to visit them, but I think it’s odd to use FIFO workers as the point of comparison. My heart doesn’t exactly bleed for the poor struggling mine workers.

Not suggesting one should feel sorry for mine worker, nor for the other professions that keep people away from their families for either long periods, or on important occasions. Doctors, ambos, police, truckies, etc. Just pointing out that there’s honest, hard working reasons to be away from family and from home and so I won’t offer any pity if the reason someone has chosen was being a blight on society.

c_c™ said :

But more to the point, so tired of these prisoners complaining about the hardship of family having to travel to visit them. Guess what, there’s mean and women working out in the mines earning an honest (and plentiful) crust for them and their family, spending weeks or even months at a time away from their family.

I agree that it’s a bit rich for a prisoner to complain about family having to travel long distances to visit them, but I think it’s odd to use FIFO workers as the point of comparison. My heart doesn’t exactly bleed for the poor struggling mine workers.

c_c™ said :

You don’t exactly need to be a handwriting expert to profile some of these prisoners…

But I thought you were an expert on everything?

johnboy said :

a blistering sense of entitlement goes hand in hand with a lot of crime.

That’s very true. And for the rest of us, there’s surely something repugnant that those who repudiate society’s norms should then demand so much of society for themselves.

You don’t exactly need to be a handwriting expert to profile some of these prisoners. Suspect that first complainant never made it past high school given the double line, block style writing. Meanwhile the Prison officer who responded has some of the neatest cursive I’ve ever seen.

But more to the point, so tired of these prisoners complaining about the hardship of family having to travel to visit them. Guess what, there’s mean and women working out in the mines earning an honest (and plentiful) crust for them and their family, spending weeks or even months at a time away from their family. You committed a crime, you have no right to complain. Out taxes built that prison so you’re 90mins closer to Canberra, that’s all you get. If you can’t contribute to society as a law abiding citizen, don’t go crying about hardship.

He wants noodles? What was wrong with the seafood smorgasbord?

How the hell did he spell majority and not noodle correctly…..

And isn’t that the point of prison. I bet if he knew he wasn’t going to get “noodels” he’d still commit the crime 🙂

Maybe he should read Shy the Platypus?

Bit slack that custodial officers names have not been blacked out.

The prisoner is residing in a bastion of Human Rights compliance, and he wants for noodels (sic)? Heads will surely roll!

How Canberran.

With spelling like that, Noodels (Romanoff?) has the makings of an ace Rioter – could we check his views on plastic bags, though?