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By grumpyrhonda 28 July 2010 27

Hi all

I have a 14 year old son who seems to be quite clever with computer stuff.  He is a gamer and has also been teaching himself to create programs and those little windows pop up boxes.  I need to give him direction in his computer stuff but have no idea what he is doing let alone how he is doing it.

He talks about IP addresses, hacking, blocking hackers, dossing, automatically resetting an IP, having a fake IP.  I ask him what he means and he says that if anyone looks up our address, they will see we are in India or something like that.  I have no idea on how to help him and I am hoping there are some rioters out there that can guide me in trying to keep him on the right side of the law as I can see him having a future in this computer stuff somewhere.

He worries me as he is into things I can’t even begin to understand.  I’ve tried to investigate courses but haven’t been able to find anything suitable.  Most courses are for kids 16 and over.

I’m looking forward to your replies.

[ED – if he isn’t spoofing his MAC as well then all he’s got is a false sense of security]


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vg 8:28 pm 29 Jul 10

There was me worrying about kids getting injured playing sport

nhand42 7:21 pm 29 Jul 10

grumpyrhonda said :

Although there is a lot we don’t understand about what he does, we believe he is doing the right thing.

If he is DoSing other computers, then he is not doing the right thing. If he was any older he’d face criminal charges. DoSing is one of the bigger threats and costs to IT departments throughout the world.

Smack him upside the head and ban him from the computer for a month. Coddling him and hugging him and telling him he’s a precious little flower who can do no wrong… will only encourage his evil ways.

grumpyrhonda 11:36 am 29 Jul 10

It is his own computer that he has saved for and bought himself. His father and I helped out with the cost as part of his Christmas gift. Whatever he downloads to it is his responsibility. We have tried our best to raise him to be morally responsibly and accountable for his actions. Although there is a lot we don’t understand about what he does, we believe he is doing the right thing. We just need direction for him. Having spoken to him, he assures me that he has learned about hacking to prevent hackers on his computer. Thank you for the suggestions we’ve received.

landcat 11:22 am 29 Jul 10

Erg0 said :

landcat said :

I do hope your son hacks you admin password just to spite you.

Are you serious? There’s no way that I’d be giving a teenager unrestricted access to install whatever crap takes their fancy on my PC.

If a 12 year old is smart enough to jailbreak an iPod then I think they would be smart enough to check the downloads for viruses and would also know what websites would have viruses.

Once again the nanny state mentality makes this topic clear with it’s saying: ‘camputers?! What is this foul witchcraft?!’

not that wizards are to blame.

hellspice 10:26 am 29 Jul 10

step 1. hax + counter strike
step 2. world domination
Bwahahahahahhahahahahhahahahah

that or his steam account mught get banned

Erg0 10:01 am 29 Jul 10

landcat said :

I do hope your son hacks you admin password just to spite you.

Are you serious? There’s no way that I’d be giving a teenager unrestricted access to install whatever crap takes their fancy on my PC.

el 9:17 am 29 Jul 10

nhand42 said :

He’s what we call a “script kiddie”. A young person with too much time, not nearly as much knowledge as they think they have, and no sense of responsibility.

Personally, I blame the parents.

Agreed. But I blame global warming.

nhand42 8:01 am 29 Jul 10

“He talks about IP addresses, hacking, blocking hackers, dossing, automatically resetting an IP, having a fake IP. “

He’s what we call a “script kiddie”. A young person with too much time, not nearly as much knowledge as they think they have, and no sense of responsibility.

Personally, I blame the parents.

landcat 10:36 pm 28 Jul 10

MWF said :

My 12 year old “jailbroke” his iPod touch. This is bad isn’t it?

He says: “Now I get apps for free”. This is bad isn’t it?

I have set up the family PC so that he can’t download anything onto it without me (the PC Administrator) putting in my password and approving it. It saves a lot of scary viruses these kids pick up from their hacking and chat codes sites.

I also run a virus scan on the family PC twice a day.

I do hope your son hacks you admin password just to spite you. Not that it would be hard to have a guess at… ‘Abbott2010’ or ‘AbstinanceRocks96’ would be my first choices.

Regardless, it looks like the nanny state mentality is growing; I can’t walk down the street now without several different government ads telling me to eat my 5 serves of vegetables or to make sure I don’t drink more than 6 standard drinks in any one session.

Perhaps the worst is the ad campaign telling people to measure their waist. Who came up with the creative for that crap?!

I don’t need to be told to eat my freaking vegetables, as I don’t live in Tasmania and as my uncle and my father are two different people.

Anyway, I’m off topic now. If your son jail broke his ipodtouch then kudos to him, he made a decision and he can deal with whatever consequences arise. (I hear they can get a bit tricky when you try to re-sync them) That is how people learn. Personally if my son did the same I would applaud his entrepreneurial panache.

Nevertheless these are mad times we live in, mad!

Yet still festive.

Landcat.

Jivrashia 10:30 pm 28 Jul 10

MWF said :

My 12 year old “jailbroke” his iPod touch. This is bad isn’t it?

Wha?? Touch? Jailbreak?
Do you mean iPhone?

MWF said :

He says: “Now I get apps for free”. This is bad isn’t it?

Nope. He’s probably getting it for free now that he’s cut out the middle-man (granny smith).

MWF said :

Edit: Not chat codes CHEAT codes.

I think you mean cracks? As in, stuff that will allow you to use commercial software without paying for it?

LTDLOWRIDER 10:00 pm 28 Jul 10

Nurture his talent, he seems like he has an advanced knowledge of IT for a 14 year old. Enroll him in some programming or IT networking courses. There is a lot of money to be made working in IT. Programmers can earn a few thousand a week.

MWF 9:04 pm 28 Jul 10

Edit: Not chat codes CHEAT codes.

MWF 9:03 pm 28 Jul 10

My 12 year old “jailbroke” his iPod touch. This is bad isn’t it?

He says: “Now I get apps for free”. This is bad isn’t it?

I have set up the family PC so that he can’t download anything onto it without me (the PC Administrator) putting in my password and approving it. It saves a lot of scary viruses these kids pick up from their hacking and chat codes sites.

I also run a virus scan on the family PC twice a day.

justin heywood 8:49 pm 28 Jul 10

One said :

If he is using M$ then you can skip the moral sense issues in regards to copyrights – 50% of it was ripped off

addresses, hacking, blocking hackers, dossing, automatically resetting an IP, having a fakeIP, etc.. Have Nothing to do with illegal use or content unless your australian brainwashed by the media – where in such a case of being an Australian brainwashed by the media I would worry for your child lol

As for good teaching stuff – books r good – start with basic history of how one human got more money than another by creating systems of snakes and ladders for the monkeys to climb. Then skip over to the Product safty health warning that came with the PC becasuse I can bet no one reads them

What?

One 8:25 pm 28 Jul 10

If he is using M$ then you can skip the moral sense issues in regards to copyrights – 50% of it was ripped off

addresses, hacking, blocking hackers, dossing, automatically resetting an IP, having a fakeIP, etc.. Have Nothing to do with illegal use or content unless your australian brainwashed by the media – where in such a case of being an Australian brainwashed by the media I would worry for your child lol

As for good teaching stuff – books r good – start with basic history of how one human got more money than another by creating systems of snakes and ladders for the monkeys to climb. Then skip over to the Product safty health warning that came with the PC becasuse I can bet no one reads them

gospeedygo 7:17 pm 28 Jul 10

Have him read Underground by Suelette Dreyfus (http://www.xs4all.nl/~suelette/underground/justin/contents.html)

Brindabella 6:41 pm 28 Jul 10

Yep, he’s turned to the dark side all right. The signs are there for sure- IP address, MAC, Trojans, spoofing. He probably talks about DNS a lot also.

You’ve got to do something….and fast.

He’s also probably got quite a few on-line “associates” from eastern Europe, Russia and the Philippines.

Oh, and he knows about “Black ice” and has probably written his own .NET reflector.

He needs http://www.ethicalhacking.com/ Enrol him today.

😉

cutrush 4:51 pm 28 Jul 10

I think the best approach would not be to direct him to keep his computing on the right side of the law, but to raise him with a good moral sense of right and wrong in general. That should take care of all avenues of his interests, not just in the IT world. To keep track of his IT goings on you would have to do a course yourself to be able to understand what he is doing and have any chance of regulating it. If he’s a good kid he’ll do the right thing.

Either that or buy a straight jacket before he learns how to control computers with his mind.

Woody Mann-Caruso 4:03 pm 28 Jul 10

Can he get me a crack for Office 2010?

Jivrashia 3:55 pm 28 Jul 10

He worries me as he is into things I can’t even begin to understand. I’ve tried to investigate courses but haven’t been able to find anything suitable. Most courses are for kids 16 and over.

I think he is relatively harmless.

But what does worry me is that he may be a bit too sure of himself, yet still gullible due to his youth, and end up undertaking errands for real cyber-crims for a quick buck.

The worst he might do is use a stolen credit card and have the Feds come knocking on his door.

Okay, I guess that’s not a trivial matter…

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