21 August 2011

Convoy Stalked by Paranoid Delusions

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I’m having a great time over at the Just Grounds site, and my suspicions about the mental state of some of the regulars there were further confirmed today.

Apparently one of the convoys showed up at a town called St George, and nothing happened. No welcoming committee. No brass bands in the street. No donations of food or money. Pretty much nothing.

This could have been because the people of St George didn’t know about the convoy. Or maybe they didn’t care about the convoy. Or perhaps the people of St George are under the baleful influence of a malignant and shadowy individual who wields great influence in the town. This person doesn’t believe in people having the right to protest and has enforced his will on the town because…you guessed it…he believes in Global Warming!!

Let’s see which conclusion Cate Stuart, one of the intellectual powerhouses of JG came to…

Now, i heard a nasty little rumor – so verification would be great that there was a big of a stuff up at St George…heaps of Convoy people, however few not up to scratch organization skills there..hmmm could it be there there is a VERY stong influential person in the town who does not beleive in people having the right to protest, from all political persuasions, because this person believes in AGW….i wonder..fact or fiction…well, maybe we need to find out?! Does this person not realise that that is NOT the only issue here, or is this person so narrow minded, that they would not encourage democracy?

So what Cate is proposing here is that the people of this town didn’t support the convoy folks because they are controlled by a bloke who won’t let them protest *because* he believes in global warming.

Here’s how the conversation went, in Cate’s mind:

Shadowy Mastermind: “You can’t support these convoy people”.

Townspeople: “Why not?”

Shadowy Mastermind: “Because I believe in Global warming”

Townspeople: “Ok then”

It really doesn’t get much better than that.

[ED – The SMH reports all is not well with the Queensland tentacle of the convoy, but it’s nice to see their extra-constitutional demands are intact]

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creative_canberran10:46 am 22 Aug 11

Skyring said :

creative_canberran said :

The only person who can unilaterally revoke the PM’s commission and dissolve parliament is the Governor General, and even then it would require the use of the little defined “reserve powers”.

Even a double dissolution is beyond the reach of the Governor-General without the s57 conditions being met.

However, there does not have to be a formal vote of no confidence taken before the Governor-General can act, as we saw in 1975. Even then, government was proceeding normally, it was just that there were difficulties approaching and Kerr didn’t think Whitlam could handle them.

By Parliament, I meant dissolve the House as per the usual manner for a general election.
To be more specific, the GG could invoke the power under s64 to revoke the commission of the Prime Minister. The independents have said their agreement is with Gillard specifically as PM not with the Labor Party. If her role is revoked, then a no confidence motion may succeed and force an election subsequently. I wouldn’t even give this a 1% chance of happening, nor would I want it to, but it’s more likely than the 0% chance of a no confidence motion alone working today.

As for 1975, government was not proceeding normally. The government was running out of money to pay the public service, so Whitlam approached the banks for a government IOU, the legality of which was doubtful given only the legislature should be able to fund government. http://www.whitlam.org/gough_whitlam/events/test_14/banks_ready_to_refuse_to_pay_public_servants

The other tipping point was the PM threatening to sack Kerr early in the impass which broke their communication and trust. Add to that some strained interpretation from Barwick and Mason and it was on.

creative_canberran said :

The only person who can unilaterally revoke the PM’s commission and dissolve parliament is the Governor General, and even then it would require the use of the little defined “reserve powers”.

Even a double dissolution is beyond the reach of the Governor-General without the s57 conditions being met.

However, there does not have to be a formal vote of no confidence taken before the Governor-General can act, as we saw in 1975. Even then, government was proceeding normally, it was just that there were difficulties approaching and Kerr didn’t think Whitlam could handle them.

If civil unrest continues – inasmuch as one could call a few protest placards civil unrest – and escalates to the point where there are mass rallies across Australia shutting down our major cities for days or weeks on end, riots and looting, then the Governor-General might ask Tony Abbott if he can end the trouble, commission him and set him loose.

I think we are a long way from such a point. I think it far more likely that Julia Gillard is going to do whatever it takes to keep government, put Craig Johnson in charge of the entertainment committee, bend over backwards for Bob Brown, put bandaids on Kevin Rudd’s sore spots, and generally piss off the electorate until the last possible day in 2013 that an election could be called and lose it, government, her own seat and all but a handful of safely entrenched Labor enclaves.

The Antichrist9:24 am 22 Aug 11

*yawns* so did anything of consequence actually occur when Team Hayseed hit town this morning ?

Or was it truly a Convoy Of No Consequence ?

A handful of Macks and some trailer-trash driving around the Hill – woot woot, what irritates me most is that their fuel bills are tax-deductable, and we end up shouting them a trip to Hellberra.

Waiting For Godot said :

Oh give it a rest! Yet another thread about the truckies convoy. It really poses a threat to the fragile little egos of your contributors.

Look down your noses all you want and be keyboard warriors in between supping tea in your lavish offices but the truckies have the overwhelming support of the vast majority of Australians, and as the polls conducted by The Canberra Times and 2CC affirm, even the majority of Canberrans.

I don’t get it. Why are you on here on RA then? Sipping on your daffodil tea and claiming random bs?

Oh, and for extra spice, they’ve gone down the path that Angry Anderson followed at the rally last Monday when he incited protestors to ‘Maintain the rage’ a la 1975 and this design is headed ‘It’s Time’.

Time for some irony supplements all ’round.

This is rather amusing.

The CONC-kers have a Facebook page (which makes for a read similar to the Just Grounds web-site): http://www.facebook.com/pages/Convoy-of-No-Confidence/169517759786815

But someone’s designed a poster that uses the Ausflag design, replacing the Union Jack on the Australian flag with a stylised kangaroo, and posted it late last night. The FB page owner didn’t pull the post down but merely observed: ‘A small problem…..’

creative_canberran12:41 am 22 Aug 11

Gungahlin Al said :

The so-called #ConvoyOfNoConfidence are asking the impossible, literally. By Antony Green (another ABC leftie nutter?): bit.ly/oDCeyX

But then I guess a fair few truck drivers were very good on doing their homework…?

The convoys plan is to go and demand a vote of no confidence be taken in the House. No doubt they’ll accomplish that request and another Question Time will be raped by Abbott’s three word Dr Suess phrases.

Technically, these red necks should be marching on Government House. The only person who can unilaterally revoke the PM’s commission and dissolve parliament is the Governor General, and even then it would require the use of the little defined “reserve powers”. The result would be a Constitutional battle that would make everyone quickly forget 1975.

For maximum nuttiness Marie Bashir as senior state governor cracks her reserve commission, declares herself the administrator of Australia, and starts bossing the army.

wow … sifting through these comments it’s now clear to me why the rest of Australia hates Canberra.

Funny how many people seem to equate the worldview of the Inner North with Australia, and anyone disagreeing with this worldview, and who doesn’t have a close relationship with a favourite barista, is dismissed as an ignorant redneck.

Yep, us latter sippers and the national farmers federation, and the Australian truckers association.

All a giant combo of out of touch inner city elites bogged down by wanting to let a pesky constitution arbitrate the differences of a diverse continental nation.

johnboy said :

Just a teensy bit of global poll-spamming:

http://www.warwickhughes.com/blog/?p=1108

Well-spotted. Someone should tell them though, no one reads the CT so it was a lot of effort for very little. And very bloody obvious too.

A lot of online papers prevent people who aren’t local from voting in their polls. After the CT has its next cake stall, they too can implement this.

Gungahlin Al7:16 pm 21 Aug 11

The so-called #ConvoyOfNoConfidence are asking the impossible, literally. By Antony Green (another ABC leftie nutter?): bit.ly/oDCeyX

But then I guess a fair few truck drivers were very good on doing their homework…?

laughsattheleft said :

You’re really just terrified of real Aussies because apparently we’re big and loud and dumb and ‘red-necks’ and are all out to destroy the planet which sustains us. You sad dreamer. Go have an overpriced skim latte and pontificate about how much smarter you are than the rest of us, meanwhile we’ll claim our country back and return it to our ‘redneck ways’.

Go take a Bex like a Real Australian. Why is it that the only posters who use the term ‘redneck’ are the ones who think everyone is calling them a ‘redneck’?

And again with the latte? What is it that you have against milk? The dairy industry should be up in arms over this Convoy of No Lactates.

Waiting For Godot said :

Oh give it a rest! Yet another thread about the truckies convoy. It really poses a threat to the fragile little egos of your contributors.

Look down your noses all you want and be keyboard warriors in between supping tea in your lavish offices but the truckies have the overwhelming support of the vast majority of Australians, and as the polls conducted by The Canberra Times and 2CC affirm, even the majority of Canberrans.

To think we waste all that money on elections when WFG can speak for the vast majority of Australians.

I wish this was a parody, but from what I can gather, it’s legit.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4uV1USxnweY&feature=channel_video_title

pseudonymous3:57 pm 21 Aug 11

laughsattheleft said :

Your username says it all. How old are you, really? The vile dribble on here from leftie losers like you brings the bile right up to my tongue. You’re really just terrified of real Aussies because apparently we’re big and loud and dumb and ‘red-necks’ and are all out to destroy the planet which sustains us. You sad dreamer. Go have an overpriced skim latte and pontificate about how much smarter you are than the rest of us, meanwhile we’ll claim our country back and return it to our ‘redneck ways’.

Australia’s population is 90% urbanised. Your ‘revolt’ of ‘real Aussies’ is like being flogged with warm lettuce. Go have a lie down, would you?

All truck drivers are fat, impotent, red neck, conservative, high school drop-out methamphetamine addicts. See? I can make baseless assumptions too.

The people of Canberra should not be made to suffer to get a political message across.

laughsattheleft2:57 pm 21 Aug 11

Ben_Dover said :

Just more proof. The convoy of no confidence, the world’s first Emo convoy, now knows that everybody hates it and is out to get it. Will probably start cutting itself soon….

Your username says it all. How old are you, really? The vile dribble on here from leftie losers like you brings the bile right up to my tongue. You’re really just terrified of real Aussies because apparently we’re big and loud and dumb and ‘red-necks’ and are all out to destroy the planet which sustains us. You sad dreamer. Go have an overpriced skim latte and pontificate about how much smarter you are than the rest of us, meanwhile we’ll claim our country back and return it to our ‘redneck ways’.

Waiting For Godot said :

Oh give it a rest! Yet another thread about the truckies convoy. It really poses a threat to the fragile little egos of your contributors.

Look down your noses all you want and be keyboard warriors in between supping tea in your lavish offices but the truckies have the overwhelming support of the vast majority of Australians, and as the polls conducted by The Canberra Times and 2CC affirm, even the majority of Canberrans.

Piss off you cretin. Please produce said Stats to back up your delusional claims. If one of your so-called convoy interrupt my drive to work tomorrow, they will be copping a gobful. Truckies and the others involved dont deserve any sympathy whatsover.

Waiting For Godot said :

Look down your noses all you want and be keyboard warriors in between supping tea in your lavish offices.

Tea? Only whining Poms drink tea, we all drink soya-latte-frappachinos don’t ‘cha know.

EvanJames said :

Claims about the majority of CT readers (all 5 of them) supporting the Caravan of Confusion are missing what’s clearly happened. I read the first few pages of comments, and they were a few disinfranchised redneck-types, with the majority reading like normal disgruntled Canberrans, p’d off about yet another horde of protesters who think Canberra means Canberra.

then suddenly, there’s an avalanche of comments, page after page, saying Yeah go get them Convoyers we support you. Ballot-box stuffing, astroturfing, whatever the term is now, but calling on your members to go bomb a comments section is a bit obvious when done in this way!

I think the word on just who this mob is is getting out. The ATA and the NFF distancing themselves from it is very telling. If they’d just made it anti Carbon tax they’d have done a lot better. Piling every crack-pot issue into one bag probably seemed like a good idea at the time, but people with the ability to think are realising that to be involved means to be tacitly supporting all their causes. And some of them are pretty weird.

Ahh here we go:

Just a teensy bit of global poll-spamming:

http://www.warwickhughes.com/blog/?p=1108

Claims about the majority of CT readers (all 5 of them) supporting the Caravan of Confusion are missing what’s clearly happened. I read the first few pages of comments, and they were a few disinfranchised redneck-types, with the majority reading like normal disgruntled Canberrans, p’d off about yet another horde of protesters who think Canberra means Canberra.

then suddenly, there’s an avalanche of comments, page after page, saying Yeah go get them Convoyers we support you. Ballot-box stuffing, astroturfing, whatever the term is now, but calling on your members to go bomb a comments section is a bit obvious when done in this way!

I think the word on just who this mob is is getting out. The ATA and the NFF distancing themselves from it is very telling. If they’d just made it anti Carbon tax they’d have done a lot better. Piling every crack-pot issue into one bag probably seemed like a good idea at the time, but people with the ability to think are realising that to be involved means to be tacitly supporting all their causes. And some of them are pretty weird.

Gungahlin Al12:04 pm 21 Aug 11

Love Clarke and Dawe on Abbott’s flipflop http://www.abc.net.au/7.30/content/2011/s3296985.htm :

“Tony Abbott got himself into a logically impossible position this week with regard to mining rights on farm land. How did he do that?”

“He spoke.”

“Correct. And what did he do next?”

“He clarified his position.”

“Correct. And how did he do that?”

“He reversed it.”

“Correct.”

Waiting For Godot said :

Oh give it a rest! Yet another thread about the truckies convoy. It really poses a threat to the fragile little egos of your contributors.

Look down your noses all you want and be keyboard warriors in between supping tea in your lavish offices but the truckies have the overwhelming support of the vast majority of Australians, and as the polls conducted by The Canberra Times and 2CC affirm, even the majority of Canberrans.

So much support that even members of the convoy have said “Bugger this I’m going home” before they’ve even begun. Dream on!

Looking for alternatives to the-riotact, twitter, facebook, etc for keeping on top of this in real time? UHF CB channel 40 might be good to listen to as that is the usual highway / truck channel.

Gungahlin Al11:51 am 21 Aug 11

phototext said :

” the truckies have the overwhelming support of the vast majority of Australians”

Could you please provide the sources that confirm this statement.

It seems they don’t even have the support of their own industry peak stakeholder group:
http://www.canberratimes.com.au/news/local/news/general/truck-body-shuns-convoy/2265128.aspx

”What they’re asking for can’t be delivered,” Mr McKinley (Australian Trucking Association) said.
“Mr McKinley said the confused nature of the protest – which included some protesters complaining about Penny Wong and her female partner having a baby – was also a reason why the ATA was not involved.”

But the farmers support it right? Nope.
”It’s not something being driven by our members,” the (NFF) spokeswoman said.

We really should have a sweep on the final numbers…

phototext said :

” the truckies have the overwhelming support of the vast majority of Australians”

Could you please provide the sources that confirm this statement.

I’m sure he meant “real Australians”.

Because the rest of us are just latte sipping scum and the first against the wall on Tuesday morning.

Gungahlin Al11:31 am 21 Aug 11

Perhaps it says more about the actual support for Barnaby Joyce?

Or perhaps how people on the Darling Downs feel about Tony Abbott’s flip flopping on coal seal gas frakking? The Down’s is one of the worst areas to be affected by this, and Abbott’s support lasted all of 24 hours. But I guess it wasn’t written down in a carefully scripted media release, so that promise didn’t *really* count then? Like his support for a carbon tax?

” the truckies have the overwhelming support of the vast majority of Australians”

Could you please provide the sources that confirm this statement.

This from someone coming from Queensland.

“I’m at Wyong with convoy 5. We drove from Caboolture to Yatala Fri night and camped there so we didn’t have to get up at 4am in the cold to get for 6am start. So far it’s been a bit of a sad turn out 2 trucks and two cars here. Had a few join in for support for short distances. So far I’ve seen one front gate/letter box with streamers and a big sign of support not far Sth of Grafton”

Sounds like it’s gonna be huge when those two trucks and two cars get here.

or their supporters could turn their foglights and drive around with them on day and night for ever and ever.

Waiting For Godot11:02 am 21 Aug 11

Oh give it a rest! Yet another thread about the truckies convoy. It really poses a threat to the fragile little egos of your contributors.

Look down your noses all you want and be keyboard warriors in between supping tea in your lavish offices but the truckies have the overwhelming support of the vast majority of Australians, and as the polls conducted by The Canberra Times and 2CC affirm, even the majority of Canberrans.

This from the JG website:-

“Reply by robert taylor 1 hour ago
Michael, can you make a request on your facebook for Sydney and Melbourne people who cannot get to Canberra to turn on their car headlights in support of the team in Canberra, they did this last week for the No Carbon Tax Rally. Everyone tell your friends to support with this gesture.” (http://justgroundsonline.com/forum/topics/convoy-of-no-confidence-in-the-federal-government-coalition-of?xg_source=activity)

Anyone with their headlights on is supporting the convoy as well.

Maybe they should also propose wearing seatbelts as a form of silent protest. Perhaps breathing too.

Just more proof..

The convoy of no confidence, the world’s first Emo convoy, now knows that everybody hates it and is out to get it. Will probably start cutting itself soon….

Um doesn’t Barnaby Joyce live in St George in Queensland. Now there is a conspiracy theory.

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