15 October 2012

Defaced placards

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If you’ve had half an eye open whilst driving around you will have noticed that at least a few political placards lining our major arterial roads have been run over, slashed in half or defaced with creative application of beards, moustaches or devils horns.

This one of Jacob Vadakkadethu on william hovel drive got some extra treatment making something of a statement about the ancestry of most of those who would run for office.

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So who is enforcing this?

City Rangers

If there’s somethin’ strange in your neighborhood
Who ya gonna call?
(City Rangers!)

If it’s somethin’ weird an’ it don’t look good
Who ya gonna call?
(City Rangers!)

HenryBG said :

poetix said :

HenryBG said :

watto23 said :

We don’t have that many people running for election that are from non european ethnic groups.

We don’t have that many people living in Canberra that are from non european ethnic groups.

On my walk to Tilley’s today I have seen people from many different ethnic backgrounds. I am so used to this I probably wouldn’t have noticed if I hadn’t read your comment first.

Pacific Islanders, Chinese, Indian and yes, even the (very) odd Anglo, are the different ethnicities I have seen so far.

Where do you live Henry BG? I think it’s called 1890, but an 1890 without the Chinese or, of course, Aborigines.

Good grief.

What is the *proportion* of the community that is non-european?
(Hint: this fact is not established from taking a walk to Tilleys and drawing post-modern conclusions therefrom)

If we have, say, 20 MLAs, then each 5% of any ethnicity in the community could be said to be proportionately represented by 1 MLA. OK?
(Yes, it’s maths, but even an Arts graduate should be able to keep up with me so far)

So our 3,800 aboriginals here in the ACT, representing 1.2% of the community could get 1/4 of a “black” MLA.
Or, you never know, just maybe, a white person could be capable of representing them or even – shocking thought – we could choose our politicians on the merits of their policies without considering the colour of their skin…..

So if we end up with a Sri Lankan MLA, then that particular ethnicity would be vastly over-represented. Which, in my experience of Sri Lankans, would be a good thing.

I must say, if I see Jacob’s name on my ballot paper on Saturday, I suspect I’ll give him my vote, because he looks like a good guy and he’s bound to be less shifty than virtually all the other choices. I seem to remember voting for that Val guy from Tharwa last time.

You don’t need need a person or a particular ethnicity to represent you, but say 10% of the population is from non european background, its would be good to see 10% of the candidates reflect that. Just like it would be good to see a 50-50 male to female ratio. As I said, despite the stupidity of the defacer, they do make a valid point.

Note I’m not implying any party is good at getting a representation right either. Personally, I’m sick of candidates telling me about coming from supporting the working family. What about the single people, youth, students, elderly who don’t necessarily fit the whole working family “vote”. Of course working families do usually have 2 votes as well 🙂 I’m going to vote for some of them to hopefully provide some balance to the debate or whatever they do in ACT gov.

NoImRight said :

In Russia rubbish picks you up!

Sure, in SOVIET Russia. But in regular, modern-day Russia Vladimir Putin has abolished rubbish and eradicated sneezing.

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd2:06 pm 17 Oct 12

smeeagain said :

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

chewy14 said :

smeeagain said :

Electoral Act

299 Graffiti
(1) A person shall not, without reasonable excuse, mark any electoral
matter directly on any defined place or object without the consent
of—
(a) for a place—the lessee or lawful occupier of the place; or
(b) for an object—the owner or lawful possessor of the object.
Maximum penalty: 10 penalty units.
(2) The Territory or a Territory authority shall not give consent for
subsection (1).
(3) In a prosecution for an offence against subsection (1) in relation to a
defined place or object leased, occupied, owned or possessed by the
Territory or a Territory authority, it is to be conclusively presumed
that the Territory or the Territory authority, as the case requires, did
not consent to any marking of electoral matter on the place or
object.
(4) In this section:
defined place or object means a building, footpath, hoarding,
roadway, vehicle, vessel or any public or private place (whether on
land or water or in the air).
lessee—see the Planning and Development Act 2007, section 234.
mark means write, draw or depict.

There is also a code of practice that relates to the placement of signs. What, where, how many etc, and there is a specific section relevant to Electoral signs. If they don’t comply with that code of practice, they can be removed by the Government if they are on their land. Code is here – http://www.legislation.act.gov.au/di/2005-207/current/pdf/2005-207.pdf

Thanks.

So who is enforcing this?

City Rangers

http://www.tams.act.gov.au/live/city_rangers

The Electoral Act also includes what information must be provided on any Electoral advertising, so if the signs don’t comply with that, they will also be removed.

Yeah I know but what exactly is a ranger going to do if the see someone taking or vandalising signs? Not like they can detain them.

HenryBG said :

chewy14 said :

Really? You can automatically tell property that is owned by someone and something that is dumped. Please let us all know how you achieve this?
If you see a table and chairs on the side of a main road, is it owned or dumped? What about a tv in a box?

Two things:

1/ In Saudi Arabia, if you find somebody’s lost property and pick it up, that is a chopping-off-of-the-hand offense.

2/ The election material is clearly not rubbish any more than the car you park on public land on your nature strip is, HOWEVER, interestingly, it probably *DOES* automatically become rubbish at 6:01pm on Saturday.

In Russia rubbish picks you up!

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

chewy14 said :

smeeagain said :

Electoral Act

299 Graffiti
(1) A person shall not, without reasonable excuse, mark any electoral
matter directly on any defined place or object without the consent
of—
(a) for a place—the lessee or lawful occupier of the place; or
(b) for an object—the owner or lawful possessor of the object.
Maximum penalty: 10 penalty units.
(2) The Territory or a Territory authority shall not give consent for
subsection (1).
(3) In a prosecution for an offence against subsection (1) in relation to a
defined place or object leased, occupied, owned or possessed by the
Territory or a Territory authority, it is to be conclusively presumed
that the Territory or the Territory authority, as the case requires, did
not consent to any marking of electoral matter on the place or
object.
(4) In this section:
defined place or object means a building, footpath, hoarding,
roadway, vehicle, vessel or any public or private place (whether on
land or water or in the air).
lessee—see the Planning and Development Act 2007, section 234.
mark means write, draw or depict.

There is also a code of practice that relates to the placement of signs. What, where, how many etc, and there is a specific section relevant to Electoral signs. If they don’t comply with that code of practice, they can be removed by the Government if they are on their land. Code is here – http://www.legislation.act.gov.au/di/2005-207/current/pdf/2005-207.pdf

Thanks.

So who is enforcing this?

City Rangers http://www.tams.act.gov.au/live/city_rangers

The Electoral Act also includes what information must be provided on any Electoral advertising, so if the signs don’t comply with that, they will also be removed.

poetix said :

HenryBG said :

watto23 said :

We don’t have that many people running for election that are from non european ethnic groups.

We don’t have that many people living in Canberra that are from non european ethnic groups.

On my walk to Tilley’s today I have seen people from many different ethnic backgrounds. I am so used to this I probably wouldn’t have noticed if I hadn’t read your comment first.

Pacific Islanders, Chinese, Indian and yes, even the (very) odd Anglo, are the different ethnicities I have seen so far.

Where do you live Henry BG? I think it’s called 1890, but an 1890 without the Chinese or, of course, Aborigines.

http://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/abs@.nsf/Lookup/2071.0main+features902012-2013

Have a look at the ABS for the ethnic background of Australians. Of course we have people from many different backgrounds but Henry BG is correct for overall percentages.

HenryBG said :

1/ In Saudi Arabia, if you find somebody’s lost property and pick it up, that is a chopping-off-of-the-hand offense.
.

This message brought to you by Concerned HenryBG of Canberra, who’s obviously watched one too many versions of Ali Baba.

chewy14 said :

Really? You can automatically tell property that is owned by someone and something that is dumped. Please let us all know how you achieve this?
If you see a table and chairs on the side of a main road, is it owned or dumped? What about a tv in a box?

Two things:

1/ In Saudi Arabia, if you find somebody’s lost property and pick it up, that is a chopping-off-of-the-hand offense.

2/ The election material is clearly not rubbish any more than the car you park on public land on your nature strip is, HOWEVER, interestingly, it probably *DOES* automatically become rubbish at 6:01pm on Saturday.

poetix said :

HenryBG said :

watto23 said :

We don’t have that many people running for election that are from non european ethnic groups.

We don’t have that many people living in Canberra that are from non european ethnic groups.

On my walk to Tilley’s today I have seen people from many different ethnic backgrounds. I am so used to this I probably wouldn’t have noticed if I hadn’t read your comment first.

Pacific Islanders, Chinese, Indian and yes, even the (very) odd Anglo, are the different ethnicities I have seen so far.

Where do you live Henry BG? I think it’s called 1890, but an 1890 without the Chinese or, of course, Aborigines.

Good grief.

What is the *proportion* of the community that is non-european?
(Hint: this fact is not established from taking a walk to Tilleys and drawing post-modern conclusions therefrom)

If we have, say, 20 MLAs, then each 5% of any ethnicity in the community could be said to be proportionately represented by 1 MLA. OK?
(Yes, it’s maths, but even an Arts graduate should be able to keep up with me so far)

So our 3,800 aboriginals here in the ACT, representing 1.2% of the community could get 1/4 of a “black” MLA.
Or, you never know, just maybe, a white person could be capable of representing them or even – shocking thought – we could choose our politicians on the merits of their policies without considering the colour of their skin…..

So if we end up with a Sri Lankan MLA, then that particular ethnicity would be vastly over-represented. Which, in my experience of Sri Lankans, would be a good thing.

I must say, if I see Jacob’s name on my ballot paper on Saturday, I suspect I’ll give him my vote, because he looks like a good guy and he’s bound to be less shifty than virtually all the other choices. I seem to remember voting for that Val guy from Tharwa last time.

chewy14 said :

bigfeet said :


If you see a table and chairs on the side of a main road, is it owned or dumped? What about a tv in a box?
…..

Your Weekend Australian should be on your own property and not on public land, so should for sale signs.

Look, I’m not saying I think defacing or stealing these signs is a good idea, I just want to know the exact legalities around them.

If my newspaper is on the footpath, my yard, or even your yard it doesn’t make it any less mine. If you take it you are stealing it.

If you are not empowered by legislation to take and lawfully dispose of apparently discarded items then technically you are stealing them.

Just a suspicion that the rightful owner has relinquished their ownership is not enough. You must make a reasonable effort to contact the owner and get their consent.

‘Finders/keepers’ has no basis in law. As these signs have the apparent owners name plastered all over them it’s pretty obvious who has ownership.

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd12:51 pm 17 Oct 12

chewy14 said :

smeeagain said :

Electoral Act

299 Graffiti
(1) A person shall not, without reasonable excuse, mark any electoral
matter directly on any defined place or object without the consent
of—
(a) for a place—the lessee or lawful occupier of the place; or
(b) for an object—the owner or lawful possessor of the object.
Maximum penalty: 10 penalty units.
(2) The Territory or a Territory authority shall not give consent for
subsection (1).
(3) In a prosecution for an offence against subsection (1) in relation to a
defined place or object leased, occupied, owned or possessed by the
Territory or a Territory authority, it is to be conclusively presumed
that the Territory or the Territory authority, as the case requires, did
not consent to any marking of electoral matter on the place or
object.
(4) In this section:
defined place or object means a building, footpath, hoarding,
roadway, vehicle, vessel or any public or private place (whether on
land or water or in the air).
lessee—see the Planning and Development Act 2007, section 234.
mark means write, draw or depict.

There is also a code of practice that relates to the placement of signs. What, where, how many etc, and there is a specific section relevant to Electoral signs. If they don’t comply with that code of practice, they can be removed by the Government if they are on their land. Code is here – http://www.legislation.act.gov.au/di/2005-207/current/pdf/2005-207.pdf

Thanks.

So who is enforcing this?

Matt_Watts said :

betterdeadthanzed said :

In previous Federal elections, ‘Get Up’ and ‘Labor’ signs in my area were frequently taken. Rather than Get Up or Labor workers going for the sympathy vote, I suspect Liberal numbskulls (apologies for the tautology).

Thumper said :

colourful sydney racing identity said :

Matt_Watts said :

colourful sydney racing identity said :

It is not unheard of for candidates to deface their own posters to get publicity and sympathy. Not saying this is what happened here – just an observation.

Really?

yes, really, it has happenned here in the ACT during Assembly elections before.

One should maintain a healthy level of scepticism at this time of the electoral cycle – another good one is to have one’s office trashed, window smashed, grafitti sprayed etc.

Yep, even this election some ALP people were sprung flogging other ALP signs.

Now that’s factionalism for you.

So you’re suggesting it is the Liberal candidates defacing their own posters? You may be right.

Rubbish

Youve become quite the wordsmith.

smeeagain said :

Electoral Act

299 Graffiti
(1) A person shall not, without reasonable excuse, mark any electoral
matter directly on any defined place or object without the consent
of—
(a) for a place—the lessee or lawful occupier of the place; or
(b) for an object—the owner or lawful possessor of the object.
Maximum penalty: 10 penalty units.
(2) The Territory or a Territory authority shall not give consent for
subsection (1).
(3) In a prosecution for an offence against subsection (1) in relation to a
defined place or object leased, occupied, owned or possessed by the
Territory or a Territory authority, it is to be conclusively presumed
that the Territory or the Territory authority, as the case requires, did
not consent to any marking of electoral matter on the place or
object.
(4) In this section:
defined place or object means a building, footpath, hoarding,
roadway, vehicle, vessel or any public or private place (whether on
land or water or in the air).
lessee—see the Planning and Development Act 2007, section 234.
mark means write, draw or depict.

There is also a code of practice that relates to the placement of signs. What, where, how many etc, and there is a specific section relevant to Electoral signs. If they don’t comply with that code of practice, they can be removed by the Government if they are on their land. Code is here – http://www.legislation.act.gov.au/di/2005-207/current/pdf/2005-207.pdf

Thanks.

HenryBG said :

watto23 said :

We don’t have that many people running for election that are from non european ethnic groups.

We don’t have that many people living in Canberra that are from non european ethnic groups.

On my walk to Tilley’s today I have seen people from many different ethnic backgrounds. I am so used to this I probably wouldn’t have noticed if I hadn’t read your comment first. Pacific Islanders, Chinese, Indian and yes, even the (very) odd Anglo, are the different ethnicities I have seen so far.

Where do you live Henry BG? I think it’s called 1890, but an 1890 without the Chinese or, of course, Aborigines.

bigfeet said :

chewy14 said :

So if I pick up a piece of rubbish on the side of the road and put it in the bin then I’m breaking the law? Interesting.

If you seriously can’t tell the difference between property that is obviously owned by someone and rubbish then perhaps it’s time to voluntarily admit yourself to the Hume Hilton.

Do you think it’s OK to take or deface roadworks signs? Or what about my Weekend Australian that is lying on my footpath at 9.00am on a Saturday morning? Or someone’s recycle bin when they put it out for emptying? Or an LJ Hooker for sale sign?

Why are these signs different? They are quite clearly the property of someone.

Really? You can automatically tell property that is owned by someone and something that is dumped. Please let us all know how you achieve this?
If you see a table and chairs on the side of a main road, is it owned or dumped? What about a tv in a box?

Roadwork signs are part of the road rules and are defined by standards. If I saw a sign saying “slow down bro, roadworks ahead” on a piece of cardboard it might be a different story.

Your Weekend Australian should be on your own property and not on public land, so should for sale signs.

Look, I’m not saying I think defacing or stealing these signs is a good idea, I just want to know the exact legalities around them.

Electoral Act

299 Graffiti
(1) A person shall not, without reasonable excuse, mark any electoral
matter directly on any defined place or object without the consent
of—
(a) for a place—the lessee or lawful occupier of the place; or
(b) for an object—the owner or lawful possessor of the object.
Maximum penalty: 10 penalty units.
(2) The Territory or a Territory authority shall not give consent for
subsection (1).
(3) In a prosecution for an offence against subsection (1) in relation to a
defined place or object leased, occupied, owned or possessed by the
Territory or a Territory authority, it is to be conclusively presumed
that the Territory or the Territory authority, as the case requires, did
not consent to any marking of electoral matter on the place or
object.
(4) In this section:
defined place or object means a building, footpath, hoarding,
roadway, vehicle, vessel or any public or private place (whether on
land or water or in the air).
lessee—see the Planning and Development Act 2007, section 234.
mark means write, draw or depict.

There is also a code of practice that relates to the placement of signs. What, where, how many etc, and there is a specific section relevant to Electoral signs. If they don’t comply with that code of practice, they can be removed by the Government if they are on their land. Code is here – http://www.legislation.act.gov.au/di/2005-207/current/pdf/2005-207.pdf

bearlikesbeer11:14 am 17 Oct 12

HenryBG said :

watto23 said :

We don’t have that many people running for election that are from non european ethnic groups.

We don’t have that many people living in Canberra that are from non european ethnic groups.

We have plenty of people living in Canberra that are from non european ethnic groups. Yarralumla has whole buildings full of them. Foreign diplomats can’t run for local election, though.

HenryBG said :

watto23 said :

We don’t have that many people running for election that are from non european ethnic groups.

We don’t have that many people living in Canberra that are from non european ethnic groups.

You’re obviously living in a very different Canberra to the one I live in.

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd11:01 am 17 Oct 12

bigfeet said :

chewy14 said :

So if I pick up a piece of rubbish on the side of the road and put it in the bin then I’m breaking the law? Interesting.

If you seriously can’t tell the difference between property that is obviously owned by someone and rubbish then perhaps it’s time to voluntarily admit yourself to the Hume Hilton.

Do you think it’s OK to take or deface roadworks signs? Or what about my Weekend Australian that is lying on my footpath at 9.00am on a Saturday morning? Or someone’s recycle bin when they put it out for emptying? Or an LJ Hooker for sale sign?

Why are these signs different? They are quite clearly the property of someone.

Besides roadwork signs, none of these things are dumped all along main roads left to cause a mess.
Roadwork signs are clearly serving a purpiose and not free advertising.

HenryBG said :

watto23 said :

We don’t have that many people running for election that are from non european ethnic groups.

We don’t have that many people living in Canberra that are from non european ethnic groups.

So wrong. Open your eyes and look around

chewy14 said :

So if I pick up a piece of rubbish on the side of the road and put it in the bin then I’m breaking the law? Interesting.

If you seriously can’t tell the difference between property that is obviously owned by someone and rubbish then perhaps it’s time to voluntarily admit yourself to the Hume Hilton.

Do you think it’s OK to take or deface roadworks signs? Or what about my Weekend Australian that is lying on my footpath at 9.00am on a Saturday morning? Or someone’s recycle bin when they put it out for emptying? Or an LJ Hooker for sale sign?

Why are these signs different? They are quite clearly the property of someone.

watto23 said :

We don’t have that many people running for election that are from non european ethnic groups.

We don’t have that many people living in Canberra that are from non european ethnic groups.

colourful sydney racing identity9:06 am 17 Oct 12

betterdeadthanzed said :

In previous Federal elections, ‘Get Up’ and ‘Labor’ signs in my area were frequently taken. Rather than Get Up or Labor workers going for the sympathy vote, I suspect Liberal numbskulls (apologies for the tautology).

Thumper said :

colourful sydney racing identity said :

Matt_Watts said :

colourful sydney racing identity said :

It is not unheard of for candidates to deface their own posters to get publicity and sympathy. Not saying this is what happened here – just an observation.

Really?

yes, really, it has happenned here in the ACT during Assembly elections before.

One should maintain a healthy level of scepticism at this time of the electoral cycle – another good one is to have one’s office trashed, window smashed, grafitti sprayed etc.

Yep, even this election some ALP people were sprung flogging other ALP signs.

Now that’s factionalism for you.

So you’re suggesting it is the Liberal candidates defacing their own posters? You may be right.

No, I am not suggesting that, I specifically stated I was not suggesting it. Just a comment that I am aware that it has been used as campaign strategy in ACT LA elections before.

Another good old trick is to get a hack mate to feign interest in another candidates campaign, offer to help letter boxing and then dump the leaflets somewhere public, like say Commonwealth Park (ring bells for anyone?) and then you as the candidate happen to come across them and sall the media, have a photo taken, shaking your head at your opponents flyers blowing all over the park. Even better if you, and your associates, clean them up. Particularly effective opposition, easy headlines ‘Jones cleans up Minsiter’s mess’ etc.

Receiving death threats is a good one too, make it an issue that few people would agree with ‘I am gunna kill you cos you don’t support man-boy love’, great if you can have a tearful family appearing in the media, get a brick thrown through the window as well – but you need to be careful to cover your tracks when you call the police.

Much more creative and effective than joining a website to post transperant crap.

c_c said :

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

c_c said :

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

Is there any actual law against taking or defacing these signs?

Yes.

Explain. What is the law, who is going to enforce it and what’s the penalty.
What is stopping me from making a collection?
What is stopping me from drawing in them?

Because they are someone’s property. And just as I would hope you realise it’s illegal to damage or steal a car someone has left parked somewhere, so to it is illegal to damage or steal the signs.

So if I pick up a piece of rubbish on the side of the road and put it in the bin then I’m breaking the law? Interesting.

I don’t think it’s considered ‘misspelled’ these days – e.g., the related term ‘wigga’, which is a derogatory term for white person who purportedly is acting like a black american – see http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Wigga

kakosi said :

It’s a misspelled American derogatory term for African Americans – so is it really that shocking or just stupid since this isn’t America?

Illiteracy is illiteracy.

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd7:04 am 17 Oct 12

c_c said :

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

c_c said :

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

Is there any actual law against taking or defacing these signs?

Yes.

Explain. What is the law, who is going to enforce it and what’s the penalty.
What is stopping me from making a collection?
What is stopping me from drawing in them?

Because they are someone’s property. And just as I would hope you realise it’s illegal to damage or steal a car someone has left parked somewhere, so to it is illegal to damage or steal the signs.

They are not a car parked somewhere. They are effectively rubbish that has been dumped.
On the other hand, can I cover every major oaf with advertising signs for my business and then call the police if they get *vandalised*

Or what if I go and dump rubbish on the side of the road? I could just say I’m *parking it here* and not be fined?

bearlikesbeer said :

I agree with SnapperJack.

My understanding is the word is okay to use as long as it is spelled with a “gga” and not a “gger”. At least, that’s what I understand from rap music and American TV.

Snoop even calls Romney and Obama niggas so obviously it’s fine for politicians, white or black. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/05/snoop-dogg-obama-romney-instagram_n_1942724.html

Funny enough this exact issue has been addressed on Tosh.O on is it racist adding an a on the end. Gold.

http://tosh.comedycentral.com/video-clips/is-it-racist—adding-an-a
(Daniel knows that if you add an “a” to a slur, it isn’t racist anymore.)

c_c said :

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

c_c said :

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

Is there any actual law against taking or defacing these signs?

Yes.

Explain. What is the law, who is going to enforce it and what’s the penalty.
What is stopping me from making a collection?
What is stopping me from drawing in them?

Because they are someone’s property. And just as I would hope you realise it’s illegal to damage or steal a car someone has left parked somewhere, so to it is illegal to damage or steal the signs.

I saw a whole lot of these being removed in civic recently – they were tied to trees along a city street – the government workers obviously thought they had the right to take them away.

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

c_c said :

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

Is there any actual law against taking or defacing these signs?

Yes.

Explain. What is the law, who is going to enforce it and what’s the penalty.
What is stopping me from making a collection?
What is stopping me from drawing in them?

Because they are someone’s property. And just as I would hope you realise it’s illegal to damage or steal a car someone has left parked somewhere, so to it is illegal to damage or steal the signs.

It’s a misspelled American derogatory term for African Americans – so is it really that shocking or just stupid since this isn’t America?

betterdeadthanzed said :

In previous Federal elections, ‘Get Up’ and ‘Labor’ signs in my area were frequently taken. Rather than Get Up or Labor workers going for the sympathy vote, I suspect Liberal numbskulls (apologies for the tautology).

Thumper said :

colourful sydney racing identity said :

Matt_Watts said :

colourful sydney racing identity said :

It is not unheard of for candidates to deface their own posters to get publicity and sympathy. Not saying this is what happened here – just an observation.

Really?

yes, really, it has happenned here in the ACT during Assembly elections before.

One should maintain a healthy level of scepticism at this time of the electoral cycle – another good one is to have one’s office trashed, window smashed, grafitti sprayed etc.

Yep, even this election some ALP people were sprung flogging other ALP signs.

Now that’s factionalism for you.

So you’re suggesting it is the Liberal candidates defacing their own posters? You may be right.

Rubbish

betterdeadthanzed9:43 pm 16 Oct 12

In previous Federal elections, ‘Get Up’ and ‘Labor’ signs in my area were frequently taken. Rather than Get Up or Labor workers going for the sympathy vote, I suspect Liberal numbskulls (apologies for the tautology).

Thumper said :

colourful sydney racing identity said :

Matt_Watts said :

colourful sydney racing identity said :

It is not unheard of for candidates to deface their own posters to get publicity and sympathy. Not saying this is what happened here – just an observation.

Really?

yes, really, it has happenned here in the ACT during Assembly elections before.

One should maintain a healthy level of scepticism at this time of the electoral cycle – another good one is to have one’s office trashed, window smashed, grafitti sprayed etc.

Yep, even this election some ALP people were sprung flogging other ALP signs.

Now that’s factionalism for you.

So you’re suggesting it is the Liberal candidates defacing their own posters? You may be right.

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd9:10 pm 16 Oct 12

c_c said :

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

Is there any actual law against taking or defacing these signs?

Yes.

Explain. What is the law, who is going to enforce it and what’s the penalty.
What is stopping me from making a collection?
What is stopping me from drawing in them?

miz said :

What IS the law against defacing these signs? After all, they are on public land, are not government property and, arguably, are not even private property (having been seemingly abandoned on public land)? Surely the ranger should be removing them all?

They can be placed legally. If they don’t belong to you, don’t f#*k with them.

It’s probably a bit like a broken down car on the side of the road. You can’t steal it or damage it without committing a crime…

What IS the law against defacing these signs? After all, they are on public land, are not government property and, arguably, are not even private property (having been seemingly abandoned on public land)? Surely the ranger should be removing them all?

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

Is there any actual law against taking or defacing these signs?

Whatever it is, it should be quadrupled for the spelling.

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

Is there any actual law against taking or defacing these signs?

Yes.

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd4:35 pm 16 Oct 12

Is there any actual law against taking or defacing these signs?

The defacer does make a valid point despite, their inability to make it without being racist. We don’t have that many people running for election that are from non european ethnic groups.

Very immature. I probably would have taken the sign down myself as i don’t think anyone deserves those kind of comments directed at them.

A public notice obelisk in Woden has pretty much been wallpapered with Giulia pictures. Some have been defaced in the usual manner (pointy beard, horns), although a couple there, and on the Parkway near Scrivener, appear to have been simply defaced with the word “fag” across her forehead. Less than stellar.

ANU students failing exams … ahhh more HECS for the system

Had to note with some amusement the manner in which whomever was putting up signs on the GDE has responded to signs being knocked over – more than a couple of them were now positioned with the gas line (assuming its a gas line, could be sewer or buried electricity) warning posts obscured behind them.

EDIT: Note that while I find the signs themselves a waste of time, money and space, particularly those being waved around at traffic by young acolytes, and the idea of people defacing their own signs and the signs of factional opponents positively pythonesque (splitters), the image captured above is poor sportsmanship. Would the defacer make a similar accusation, in similar language, to the candidate’s face?

LOL, I find this photo funny.Well done.
Driving every morning on Adelaide Avenue, more and more I get this desire to do the same with dozens of placards that are being placed there, especially where the road bends slightly.
Giulia replaced her face with plain “G” or “Giulia”- must have had enough of people having fun with her not-so-good photo.
Joy “Burka” Burch’s placards continue to be destroyed along Athllon Drive, so is Bresnan’s. Stop littering with your fugly faces, politicians!!!

bearlikesbeer8:50 am 16 Oct 12

I agree with SnapperJack.

My understanding is the word is okay to use as long as it is spelled with a “gga” and not a “gger”. At least, that’s what I understand from rap music and American TV.

Snoop even calls Romney and Obama niggas so obviously it’s fine for politicians, white or black. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/05/snoop-dogg-obama-romney-instagram_n_1942724.html

Something tells me that bogans probably don’t understand the concept of tokenism unless it involves trolleys or casinos

Pay that man!

colourful sydney racing identity said :

Matt_Watts said :

colourful sydney racing identity said :

It is not unheard of for candidates to deface their own posters to get publicity and sympathy. Not saying this is what happened here – just an observation.

Really?

yes, really, it has happenned here in the ACT during Assembly elections before.

One should maintain a healthy level of scepticism at this time of the electoral cycle – another good one is to have one’s office trashed, window smashed, grafitti sprayed etc.

Yep, even this election some ALP people were sprung flogging other ALP signs.

Now that’s factionalism for you.

While not generally light fingered, I was sorely tempted to leap out of my car and nick Philip Pocock’s nice little A-frames on Flemington yesterday. I could have ripped off his threatening visage and replaced them with ads for community fundraising events……. ooooooh I was tempted indeed! Although on reflection perhaps it would be better to plaster over with ads promoting marriage equality.

colourful sydney racing identity7:47 am 16 Oct 12

Matt_Watts said :

colourful sydney racing identity said :

It is not unheard of for candidates to deface their own posters to get publicity and sympathy. Not saying this is what happened here – just an observation.

Really?

yes, really, it has happenned here in the ACT during Assembly elections before.

One should maintain a healthy level of scepticism at this time of the electoral cycle – another good one is to have one’s office trashed, window smashed, grafitti sprayed etc.

colourful sydney racing identity said :

It is not unheard of for candidates to deface their own posters to get publicity and sympathy. Not saying this is what happened here – just an observation.

Really?

Something tells me

Spitfire3 said :

Glen McCrea’s signs along WIlliam Hovell Dr have all been removed from their stakes and impaled upon same.

I hope this is all just boganry and not activism.

Something tells me that bogans probably don’t understand the concept of tokenism unless it involves trolleys or casinos.

far out this is a very sad statement on our society. I thought this crap went out in the 80;s and we had grown up now. Obviously not. I hope Jacob gets more votes out of this purely on principle to spite the defacers.

Dont get me wrong, some of the defacing has been slightly humorous. But this is just plain bad.

Mr Gillespie6:43 pm 15 Oct 12

WIN News blurred out the message on the placard (the exact same picture here used as a still on TV), while showing the offensive graffiti on the Liberal trailer close-up and clearly. The left-wing extremist culprit was caught and is now “assisting police with their enquiries”

nice of them to acknowledge my skillful iphone photography work.

troll-sniffer said :

Masquara said :

“This one of Jacob Vadakkadethu on william hovel drive got some extra treatment making something of a statement about the ancestry of most of those who would run for office.”

Despicable.

Why is that comment despicable? Think about it a little deeper than your token bandwagon-based response indicates… we, the human race, are all descended from Africans who left that continent 70,000 years ago. So, I is proud to call myself a nigga, you am a nigga, and the dude in the poster is a nigga. Only the particularly thin-skinned and those with (perhaps unrecognised) racist chips on their shoulders have a problem with our proven ancestry.

I prefer to go back even further than 70,000 years and identify as a fish. The Lord knows I drink like one…

Holden Caulfield said :

People suck.

Names and phone numbers please…

Conan of Cooma5:17 pm 15 Oct 12

As horrible as it is, it’s still good for a giggle.

I’m the kind of guy who laughs when his kids hurt themselves, so it’s entirely my issue.

colourful sydney racing identity4:38 pm 15 Oct 12

It is not unheard of for candidates to deface their own posters to get publicity and sympathy. Not saying this is what happened here – just an observation.

Wasn’t it Jesus who said something like “as for the morons, they are with you always”?

Holden Caulfield4:37 pm 15 Oct 12

People suck.

troll-sniffer said :

Masquara said :

“This one of Jacob Vadakkadethu on william hovel drive got some extra treatment making something of a statement about the ancestry of most of those who would run for office.”

Despicable.

Why is that comment despicable? Think about it a little deeper than your token bandwagon-based response indicates… we, the human race, are all descended from Africans who left that continent 70,000 years ago. So, I is proud to call myself a nigga, you am a nigga, and the dude in the poster is a nigga. Only the particularly thin-skinned and those with (perhaps unrecognised) racist chips on their shoulders have a problem with our proven ancestry.

“Nigger” is a racist slur. “Nigga” is apparently a term of endearment, a bit like how the gay community has embraced the word queer. Well that’s the version one of my nieces has told me.

On the subject of placards being removed I noticed this morning on Athllon Drive coming back from the pool that all the Labor and Liberal posters were gone and only the Greens posters remained.

To quote a song from the 1990s, things that make you go hmmm …

The Bullet Train Facebook page is saying they have lost a 5m banner and are offering a $250 reward

neanderthalsis said :

Pathetic really.

Beards, horns and moustaches are all in good fun, low racial or sexual inferences are definitely uncool and heavy. And given that Emmanuel Ezekiel-Hart is running, we move beyond token.

And here I was thinking that we were doing pretty well having a sizable number of the candidates not being middle aged, middle class white men.

I once had a beard… Maybe more people would recognise me….

These signs are EVERYWHERE & are just waiting to be defaced or stolen. If those putting the signs up weren’t expecting this type of thing, then they are extremely naive.

I’m not condoning this type of behaviour but this nothing more than some immature kids, scribbling an offensive remark on a disposable sign.

troll-sniffer said :

Why is that comment despicable? .

I was referring to the defacement, not the comment. As for the rest of your post – not inclined to respond.

troll-sniffer said :

Masquara said :

“This one of Jacob Vadakkadethu on william hovel drive got some extra treatment making something of a statement about the ancestry of most of those who would run for office.”

Despicable.

Why is that comment despicable? Think about it a little deeper than your token bandwagon-based response indicates… we, the human race, are all descended from Africans who left that continent 70,000 years ago. So, I is proud to call myself a nigga, you am a nigga, and the dude in the poster is a nigga. Only the particularly thin-skinned and those with (perhaps unrecognised) racist chips on their shoulders have a problem with our proven ancestry.

Maybe if you were the one to write it, and you didn’t discriminate on race, that’d be fine 🙂

I’m heavily leaning towards the wild assumption that the person who wrote the graffiti had a different world view to you! I also find the person’s likely world view despicable.

neanderthalsis3:57 pm 15 Oct 12

Pathetic really.

Beards, horns and moustaches are all in good fun, low racial or sexual inferences are definitely uncool and heavy. And given that Emmanuel Ezekiel-Hart is running, we move beyond token.

And here I was thinking that we were doing pretty well having a sizable number of the candidates not being middle aged, middle class white men.

troll-sniffer3:40 pm 15 Oct 12

Masquara said :

“This one of Jacob Vadakkadethu on william hovel drive got some extra treatment making something of a statement about the ancestry of most of those who would run for office.”

Despicable.

Why is that comment despicable? Think about it a little deeper than your token bandwagon-based response indicates… we, the human race, are all descended from Africans who left that continent 70,000 years ago. So, I is proud to call myself a nigga, you am a nigga, and the dude in the poster is a nigga. Only the particularly thin-skinned and those with (perhaps unrecognised) racist chips on their shoulders have a problem with our proven ancestry.

Unfortunately, I saw a similarly defaced sign of Jacob’s along Coulter this morning. I informed Jacob of this when I bumped into him in Gungahlin this morning. Yet Jacob’s wasn’t the only one defaced in that vicinity; Vicki’s was also attacked in a similar manner whilst other signs were untouched. It happens.

It’s disgusting. This is another example of why political candidates need thick skins.

Wow, that photo is just, well, words escape me.

Drawing eye patches and mos is one thing, in fact quite humourous.

This is completely despicable.

I think all the signs are begging to be defaced in a funny way – but this is not on.

“This one of Jacob Vadakkadethu on william hovel drive got some extra treatment making something of a statement about the ancestry of most of those who would run for office.”

Despicable.

i saw that one yesterday, and noted this morning on ginninderra drive near flynn the same poster had been modified with an eye patch and a cutlas.

which made me think, who has the time to stop the car, get out, find a black texta, and deface a political flyer.

Glen McCrea’s signs along WIlliam Hovell Dr have all been removed from their stakes and impaled upon same.

I hope this is all just boganry and not activism.

Guilia Jones had hers defaced along the Parkway last week with what i presume is her preferred sexual orientation.. I dont think they were there this morning.

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