Drama at Cranleigh School very early Saturday morning

DUB said :

I know from a great source, who was involved in processing those Sudanese “refugees” few years back, many of them were, in fact, involved in crimes (including mass murders) back in their native land, but that could not be proven,they had no documents, many witnesses were threatened , so they ended up here( although, few of them did get arrested in refugee camps, when they wanted to pass as genuine refugees and were recognised as those, who committed crimes).
Therefore, I am not surprised at all.

I have heard from a great source that those people processing refugees are all kiddie fiddlers and racists. But that could not be proven. I can come up with lots of anecdotal evidence though. Alas, it won’t hold up in court. So you’ll just have to rely on me to tarnish their reputation. This whole innocent until proven guilty thing is so bloody unfair!

thatsnotme said :

Classified said :

FFS, this is ridiculous. The Ali G thing was funny (when on TV originally) because of how he said it. I’m a well know shoit-stirrer, why should this be any different?

Ok, so lets say I misinterpreted what you were saying in your original comment. Seriously though – you go throwing stuff like that out on a public forum, and you’re expecting your ‘well known’ reputation to carry you through? Tens of thousands of people visit this site every week…but it’s ok, I’m sure everyone knows that you’re really just a shit stirrer.

If you really can’t see why your comments, coming right after a couple of ‘I’m not a racist, but…’ posts, would be treated differently to Ali-G making them as part of a comedy show, then I can’t help you.

Hey, there’s plenty of racist commentary around, including some in this thread, no argument there.

I think racism is one one those things that gets twisted around a lot, though, and this thread is a good example of how that can happen.

That said, combining the Ali G thing with a poke at police probably wasn’t in great taste! (Not that I have good taste, you understand…)

Classified said :

FFS, this is ridiculous. The Ali G thing was funny (when on TV originally) because of how he said it. I’m a well know shoit-stirrer, why should this be any different?

Ok, so lets say I misinterpreted what you were saying in your original comment. Seriously though – you go throwing stuff like that out on a public forum, and you’re expecting your ‘well known’ reputation to carry you through? Tens of thousands of people visit this site every week…but it’s ok, I’m sure everyone knows that you’re really just a shit stirrer.

If you really can’t see why your comments, coming right after a couple of ‘I’m not a racist, but…’ posts, would be treated differently to Ali-G making them as part of a comedy show, then I can’t help you.

thatsnotme said :

Classified said :

The original comment “is it because I is black” was a crude attempt to stir the pot (which clearly worked). My question as to how a person can be apprehended for obstructing police only to be released remains.

Oh please – do you really think that every time there’s any type of incident like this, with a group of people involved, that every person who tries to stop the police will end up being formally charged with obstructing police? Obviously, whatever this guy did to try to stop this woman being taken away didn’t cross any lines – if it had, we’d be looking at a report that stated that an 18 year old man was apprehended for assaulting police, or something similar, and you could be pretty sure that there wouldn’t be simply a formal caution. I’m glad that we have a police force who can use their discretion in situations like this – and I’m sure our court system feels the same way.

If the guy was actually apprehended I’d have thought it was serious enough to deal with, but evidently that’s not how it goes.

thatsnotme said :

And now you’re trying to make us believe that your Ali G quote was somehow separate to your question about how this guy was released? No relation at all, just stirring the pot? Seriously…

FFS, this is ridiculous. The Ali G thing was funny (when on TV originally) because of how he said it. I’m a well know shoit-stirrer, why should this be any different?

I was down at Kippax yesterday. In the time I was there, I saw a guy who had done a bit of a burn out around a corner get pulled over by the police, a group of teenage school kids strutting around yelling abuse at some other kids on the other side of the car park, and a couple of women quietly pushing their shopping trolleys. Guess which ones were the Sudanese?

And we’re back to the point I’ve made several times in this thread. If someone is doing the wrong thing there should be consequences for it, regardless of your background.

But it’s very easy to play the racist card, isn’t it. Makes you feel all modern and superior…

Classified said :

The original comment “is it because I is black” was a crude attempt to stir the pot (which clearly worked). My question as to how a person can be apprehended for obstructing police only to be released remains.

Oh please – do you really think that every time there’s any type of incident like this, with a group of people involved, that every person who tries to stop the police will end up being formally charged with obstructing police? Obviously, whatever this guy did to try to stop this woman being taken away didn’t cross any lines – if it had, we’d be looking at a report that stated that an 18 year old man was apprehended for assaulting police, or something similar, and you could be pretty sure that there wouldn’t be simply a formal caution. I’m glad that we have a police force who can use their discretion in situations like this – and I’m sure our court system feels the same way.

And now you’re trying to make us believe that your Ali G quote was somehow separate to your question about how this guy was released? No relation at all, just stirring the pot? Seriously…

I was down at Kippax yesterday. In the time I was there, I saw a guy who had done a bit of a burn out around a corner get pulled over by the police, a group of teenage school kids strutting around yelling abuse at some other kids on the other side of the car park, and a couple of women quietly pushing their shopping trolleys. Guess which ones were the Sudanese?

Migrant Information Centre (Eastern Melbourne)
Southern Sudanese Culture – Nyawaragak Dei Wal (September 2004)

Domestic Violence

In most Sudanese families a women is not allowed to talk about domestic violence because they believe that it is a family issue. No one is allowed to interfere in the problem unless they are invited to say something. It is when this happens that the issue is seen as a big problem.

In Southern Sudanese culture women expect to be disciplined by their husband after they leave their parent’s home. In Sudanese society it is the husband’s responsibility to discipline her.

Women respect the culture and their relatives and sometimes they think of their children. What will happen to them if I leave the house? Many women prefer to put up with domestic violence for the sake of their children.

This situation is likely to change in Australia because women do not have to leave their home, they do not lose custody of their children and they can receive an independent income.

http://www.miceastmelb.com.au/documents/SouthernSudaneseCrossCulturalTrainingReport.pdf

Classified said :

Muttsybignuts said :

Hmm…Must be some trouble at the old Sudanese relocation suburb of Holt. Last night, as I sat in my Holt abode we heard loud, constant screaming from the street like someone was being murdered. When I went to investigate I found a young Sudanese girl sitting on the ground crying with her boyfriend standing over her yelling “Call the police please I have beat her”. By this time a passing car had stopped and a few more neighbours came out for a sticky beak. We convinced the young bloke to give us some space ( he wasn’t angry, he was crying) and helped the girl to her feet. It looked like she had some busted fingers – they were swelled looking anyway. The person that stopped offered to drive her home while the bloke kept asking for the police to be called. He told us that they lived together and that she would leave for hours every day and not tell him where she was going and that she would not let him check her phone messages – so he beat her. The growing crowd offered to call the police or take her home however in the end they left together, walking up the street looking a little embarrassed.

So did the police attend? Surely a woman being beaten and crying the street is a good reason to call the cops.

It was reported to Police. However, as the couple disappeared together I imagine there was little they could do. All they have is a story from a few witnesses to some screaming. No one knows where they went and if the woman didn’t report it herself ( which I imagine she didn’t because they left together) the police would have nothing to go on. So yes it was reported but that was the end of it.

Muttsybignuts said :

Hmm…Must be some trouble at the old Sudanese relocation suburb of Holt. Last night, as I sat in my Holt abode we heard loud, constant screaming from the street like someone was being murdered. When I went to investigate I found a young Sudanese girl sitting on the ground crying with her boyfriend standing over her yelling “Call the police please I have beat her”. By this time a passing car had stopped and a few more neighbours came out for a sticky beak. We convinced the young bloke to give us some space ( he wasn’t angry, he was crying) and helped the girl to her feet. It looked like she had some busted fingers – they were swelled looking anyway. The person that stopped offered to drive her home while the bloke kept asking for the police to be called. He told us that they lived together and that she would leave for hours every day and not tell him where she was going and that she would not let him check her phone messages – so he beat her. The growing crowd offered to call the police or take her home however in the end they left together, walking up the street looking a little embarrassed.

So did the police attend? Surely a woman being beaten and crying the street is a good reason to call the cops.

MattT said :

@classified: how about you explain how it is that because ‘white bogans’ cause trouble, that it makes it ok for these people to do the same.

How about I don’t, because I didn’t say any such thing.

I was pointing out that crimes by white people are discussed differently to crimes by minorities. Specifically, when somebody who isn’t white commits a crime, it’s apparently OK to highlight their race (don’t forget the ‘but’!) and to suggest that they’re the front of a new crime wave that’s best characterised by race. Further, the threshold for crime that seems to warrant public discussion with respect to minorities seems to be much lower than for white people; if there was a post here every time a white person committed a similar offense, there wouldn’t be space for anything else.

In other words, there seem to be different rules and social norms for white criminals, and that’s racist. If you’d like to point out an example of you jumping in to make the kinds of statements you’ve made today about white people (for example, have you ever said ‘is it because I is white’ during any of the many, many bogan threads here, or accused police of treating white people differently, or suggested that white people as a group have it coming to them, or that a white criminal is the thin edge of a white crime wedge?), I’ll happily reconsider my position.

@chewy14: See above.

If you’ve read the many, many bogan threads here you’ll know that I am consistently in favour of there being actual consequences for bad behaviour. As I said in my previous post, I don’t care about colour or race – if you’ve done the wrong thing you should be held accountable.

You should also be careful about making accusations here. For example “or suggested that white people as a group have it coming to them” implies that I have suggested other minority groups have it coming, which is something I clearly have not said. Ever.

The original comment “is it because I is black” was a crude attempt to stir the pot (which clearly worked). My question as to how a person can be apprehended for obstructing police only to be released remains.

FWIW, I understand that you are upset because you feel minority groups get identified by race/background in criminal stories more than whites. Is this right? Probably not. I would suggest, however, that when such information is not included, the automatic assumption by the readers is often “they’re white”. Not that I give two craps, I just want to see a justice system that works.

Finally, I asked you to explain your point about “My stars. I’ve never, ever seen white Australians getting smashed at a party and causing a disturbance. ” because it implies that because white bogans behave like idiots that it somehow excuses the behaviour in this story.

@classified: how about you explain how it is that because ‘white bogans’ cause trouble, that it makes it ok for these people to do the same.

How about I don’t, because I didn’t say any such thing.

I was pointing out that crimes by white people are discussed differently to crimes by minorities. Specifically, when somebody who isn’t white commits a crime, it’s apparently OK to highlight their race (don’t forget the ‘but’!) and to suggest that they’re the front of a new crime wave that’s best characterised by race. Further, the threshold for crime that seems to warrant public discussion with respect to minorities seems to be much lower than for white people; if there was a post here every time a white person committed a similar offense, there wouldn’t be space for anything else.

In other words, there seem to be different rules and social norms for white criminals, and that’s racist. If you’d like to point out an example of you jumping in to make the kinds of statements you’ve made today about white people (for example, have you ever said ‘is it because I is white’ during any of the many, many bogan threads here, or accused police of treating white people differently, or suggested that white people as a group have it coming to them, or that a white criminal is the thin edge of a white crime wedge?), I’ll happily reconsider my position.

@chewy14: See above.