21 July 2011

Drones in the sky over Canberra?

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On the Beast this morning Chief Police Officer Roman Quaedvlieg was talking about police pursuits and he’s posted the audio online.

Intriguingly around the 6:20 mark he talks about the exploration of putting drones into the skies over Canberra to watch over us all constantly, and help out with monitoring fleeing suspects.

No Hellfire missiles onboard we presume.

[Photo: MQ-9 Reaper, courtesy wikipedia]

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Gungahlin Al7:53 am 28 Aug 11

farnarkler said :

If Apple can track every ipod touch and ipad then surely there’s cheap technology out there to be able to track every car in Australia.

ATMOS anyone?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Sontaran_Stratagem

creative_canberran11:16 pm 27 Aug 11

farnarkler said :

If Apple can track every ipod touch and ipad then surely there’s cheap technology out there to be able to track every car in Australia.

Apple can’t do that but anyway.

Mobile phones have long enabled law enforcement and carriers to triangulate the location of users, and these records are kept for a period. Using the data to triangulate a position is not difficult either, they were using it notably back in 2005 to find a missing journalist in the US and before that to pin point the location of someone involved in the John Newman murder.

farnarkler said :

If Apple can track every ipod touch and ipad then surely there’s cheap technology out there to be able to track every car in Australia.

Apples and oranges, and yeah, you could do it for $100, but you’d need it in every car, and not have thieves buy a $100 GPS/GSM jammer

Technology that would make speed cameras redundant.

farnarkler said :

If Apple can track every ipod touch and ipad then surely there’s cheap technology out there to be able to track every car in Australia.

If Apple can track every ipod touch and ipad then surely there’s cheap technology out there to be able to track every car in Australia.

alaninoz said :

PBO said :

A 5Mw laser will knock out a camera imaging unit for about 10 – 15 secs (maybe more, depending on the camera), would these have protection against such attacks?

A 5Mw laser will take out more than a camera, including all the local substations. I take it you mean 5mw.

Whoops my bad.

creative_canberran said :

Police need all the help they can get apprehending suspects: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IpFczHd7Aqw&feature=channel_video_title

why is that a fail, and why do they need help apprehending suspects? The vehicle is going too fast to run after them, so they’re following in cars. common sense to me

Is this another one of these flimsy excuses for the cops to buy cool things? I remember when they bought the jet skis, they were pretty cool.

PBO said :

A 5Mw laser will knock out a camera imaging unit for about 10 – 15 secs (maybe more, depending on the camera), would these have protection against such attacks?

A 5Mw laser will take out more than a camera, including all the local substations. I take it you mean 5mw.

PBO said :

johnboy said :

I reckon they could get a pretty good fix on it and would come looking.

I have no doubt of that, but I dont aim at planes, ppl or cars. What i meant was how much damage can a laser do to the imaging equipment/devices that the drones would have? A 5Mw laser will knock out a camera imaging unit for about 10 – 15 secs (maybe more, depending on the camera), would these have protection against such attacks?

In fact, how much damage would a laser do to a fixed speed camera? I only ask this random question out of curiosity.

Just get some Surface to Air Missiles (SAMS). When I was in the Congo, they could knock out a Soviet Mil Mi-8T helicopter at 7 km. Or maybe an A10 Tankbuster?

creative_canberran4:05 pm 21 Jul 11

Police need all the help they can get apprehending suspects: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IpFczHd7Aqw&feature=channel_video_title

johnboy said :

I reckon they could get a pretty good fix on it and would come looking.

I have no doubt of that, but I dont aim at planes, ppl or cars. What i meant was how much damage can a laser do to the imaging equipment/devices that the drones would have? A 5Mw laser will knock out a camera imaging unit for about 10 – 15 secs (maybe more, depending on the camera), would these have protection against such attacks?

In fact, how much damage would a laser do to a fixed speed camera? I only ask this random question out of curiosity.

I think Chief Police Officer Roman Quaedvlieg was referring to small, semi autonomous, VTOL craft, rather than the fixed wing military craft pictured. Like the VTOL in today’s Hotel fire post.

The Austrian research company IAT21, released a VTOL craft at the Paris air show that can vector thrust 360′. It seems a robust system that can allegedly take off and land on a moving vehicle. It may have a wide range of operational applications beyond chases. Its aircraft like the “D-Dalus” that may provide a usable platform in the future, for policing. As speed seems to be the issue when catching a fleeing criminal, being able to deploy an aircraft and bring it to bear on the target would need to be seamless and fast. This is still well beyond the current crop of semi-autonomous VTOL craft. The solution for aerial surveillance is a fast developing industry around the world. Its only a matter of time.

The RAAF just extended the lease on its drone. We might get it cheap when their lease runs out.

I reckon they could get a pretty good fix on it and would come looking.

Hmmm, is the ACT government taking advantage of a sale on all the stuff that did not get used in the “War on Terror”?

I wonder how useful the drone would be if i zapped the camera with my 1000mw laser?

yeah, yeah, yeah, I think the police may be dreaming.

Both aerial and on-the ground surveillance?
Someone’s putting a lot of work into including within baseline analysis scopes and potential project requirements to cover these ‘options that will never be used’…

Note: Above Point-to-Point Forward Design Study used as example as it not only mentions a design-scope, but goes into more detailed project requirements, storage, potential for liability etc, of using the proposed camera system as a public mass surveillance tool or for for potential assistance in criminal investigations unrelated to traffic offences…

TVStar said :

I, for one, would support the deployment of a couple of MQ-1 Predator UAVs armed with Hellfire missiles 24/7 above Charnwood.

Well…. they couldn’t be up 24hrs… They would have to land to rearm more often then that.

I think it is only a matter of time before this happens, but I can’t see it being in the next couple of years.

I, for one, would support the deployment of a couple of MQ-1 Predator UAVs armed with Hellfire missiles 24/7 above Charnwood.

well they cost 10.5 million, plus all the maintenance costs.

It would be cheaper just to buy a light helicopter, and have 2-4 pilots on standby.

Perhaps just one small missile .. please.

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