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Factional analysis of ACT Labor

johnboy 13 November 2008 47

In this week’s CityNews the former MLA Michael Moore is crunching the numbers and explaining why local Labor acts the way it does.

    “The other big loser in the post-election negotiations was the right-wing faction of the Labor Party. Andrew Barr and John Hargreaves have not done well in the Cabinet portfolio reshuffle even though they are the most prominent of the four members of that faction in the Assembly, which includes Mary Porter and Joy Burch. Barr picks up the Children and Young People portfolio while Deputy Chief Minister Katy Gallagher gets Treasury. John Hargreaves gains Disabilities and loses Territory and Municipal Services to the Chief Minister. Backbencher Mary Porter’s nomination for Speaker did not even proceed to the floor of the Assembly. “

Well worth a read.


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caf caf 4:42 pm 14 Nov 08

Your kids’ teenage rebellions will be to demand a ban on smoking at home.

jakez jakez 4:34 pm 14 Nov 08

caf said :

The hidden assumption in your theory is that political opinion is genetically transmitted.

I think you can say there is a pretty decent political trend within families.

…at least I hope there is. If my kids turn out to be fascists I’m going to be really pissed off.

caf caf 4:22 pm 14 Nov 08

The hidden assumption in your theory is that political opinion is genetically transmitted.

poptop poptop 4:21 pm 14 Nov 08

TeeHee – nice one housebound! I don’t think it quite works that way.

housebound housebound 4:16 pm 14 Nov 08

BeyondThought said :

Yes, there are more important issues than abortion, but it does underscore that the Libs now are mostly right-wingers which is all good an well, but it just happens to be a liability in the ACT even if they have stopped their squabbles.

That’s a short-term view. In theory, the pro-life lobby has more surviving offspring and therefore will increase. The pro-death lobbies (for want of a better term) must eventually decline, especially if population grwth isn’t even enough to maintain the current numbers (replacement).

Just a thought.

jakez jakez 4:15 pm 14 Nov 08

I don’t think abortion is an issue that is necessarily rightwing.

Then again I’m a politics nerd who refuses to acknowledge any legitimacy in a one dimensional spectrum so maybe I should just shut up.

amarooresident amarooresident 3:21 pm 14 Nov 08

Vicki Dunne has been known to use to much rouge. And lipstick.

jakez jakez 1:03 pm 14 Nov 08

imhotep said :

There isn’t enough political talent in this town to support 3 major parties, let alone factions within those parties.

Yet another reason to reduce the scope of the ACT Government in our lives.

BeyondThought BeyondThought 12:32 pm 14 Nov 08

You got me caf, although perhape rouge is a better descriptor than rogue???

This still comes back to abortion bad/good stances (and other similar issues)

That’s what I was trying to point out initially. Yes, there are more important issues than abortion, but it does underscore that the Libs now are mostly right-wingers which is all good an well, but it just happens to be a liability in the ACT even if they have stopped their squabbles.

Thumper Thumper 12:24 pm 14 Nov 08

So we have dusty reddish MLAs?

😉

caf caf 12:23 pm 14 Nov 08

Rouge elements? Heavily made-up, are they? The mind boggles.

BeyondThought BeyondThought 12:20 pm 14 Nov 08

So, from all the comments it looks like in the ACT it is this way:

1 MLA = A Rouge element
2 Rouge Elements = 1 Faction
1 Rouge Elements + 1 Faction = Party
3 Factions = government

When housebound says the Libs will never, ever get government in this town again (because this stupid safe labor town will keep voting Labor) he or she is probably right and would explain why the Libs can’t attract good candidates.

caf caf 12:15 pm 14 Nov 08

The current Liberals are, it is true – and it’s obvious to Blind Freddy that they’re not resonating in the electorate. They’re down to their rusted-on supporters and that’s about it.

In short I believe it is the Liberals’ choice whether to remain irrelevant, or to get real and become electable. In doing so they may just become Green-supportable, too.

housebound housebound 12:13 pm 14 Nov 08

This still comes back to abortion bad/good stances (and other similar issues).

It’s true, but it means the ACT government is determined by who supports abortion etc rights. Surely buses, schools, even data centres involve more than that? And don’t the libs have a conscience vote on that?

Thumper Thumper 12:00 pm 14 Nov 08

I see can’t see it caf.

The Libs here are certainly not progressive and it would take a huge Stanhope blunder to drive the ideology of greens towards the ultra conservatism of the the Libs.

I’m afraid that I don’t have a lot of confidence in the ACT Greens.

Hopefully i am wrong.

imhotep imhotep 11:51 am 14 Nov 08

There isn’t enough political talent in this town to support 3 major parties, let alone factions within those parties. The more divisions you have, the more likely it is that people are given power because of patronage rather than talent -and the more likely decisions are made on tactical grounds rather than merit.

Someone (housebound?) said that the Westminster system does not suit small cities like Canberra. (I know we’re not strictly ‘Westminster’ but we have a version of it).

Looking at the ‘talent’ available to Labor and the Libs (don’t know the Greens yet), I think they may be right.

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caf caf 11:50 am 14 Nov 08

This is Canberra, not Tassie.

Agreed, but that doesn’t actually constitute evidence supporting your case.

I would suggest that Canberra is far more likely to be able to throw up the kind of socially-progressive Liberals who might well be able to work with the Greens, than is Tassie. This would represent something of a turnaround for the current Liberals, but I’m sure there’s got to be a fair constituency of socially progressive yet economically dry voters out there in this city.

Bilko Bilko 11:47 am 14 Nov 08

Nomnomnom @23
point taken re cossey that was a close kept secrete but the campaign was not well run, the emphasise on successes was very low key compared with the level of Lib expertise experience etc, however the Lib voters did dump the majority of their dead wood whereas labor did not.
Now re the portfolio distribution the right dumped on again John Nohope must go

Thumper Thumper 11:37 am 14 Nov 08

3. the Libs will never, ever get government in this town again (because this stupid safe labor town will keep voting Labor)

This is not a fanciful suggestion…

Thumper Thumper 11:35 am 14 Nov 08

This is Canberra, not Tassie.

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