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Greens want larger electorates, more members, and presumably more Greens

By Barcham - 4 March 2013 14

ABC News has put up a story detailing how the Greens would like the ACT Legislative Assembly review to go.

The ACT Greens have lodged a submission calling for up to 27 members and larger electorates.

Greens MLA Shane Rattenbury says keeping three electorates would allow for more diversity within the Assembly.

“We believe there’s two reasons for having larger electorates,” he said.

“One is that it will allow greater diversity, so more members equals a better chance for smaller or other parties to get into the Assembly.

“The second reason is this will split Canberra up less, if we were to move to say five electorates the town centres will be split up more than they currently are now.”

Is 27 too many, too few, or just right Rioters?

What’s Your opinion?


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Greens want larger electorates, more members, and presumably more Greens
Grimm 1:43 pm 05 Mar 13

Ben_Dover said :

Hello Greens, planet earth calling.

Please note: We voted out 3 of your 4 MLAs last election, Shane only got in by the skin of his teeth. Your policies and personailities are not wanted. End of.

+1
People see them for the watermelons they are. I wish this party of would-be eco terrorists would hurry up and fold.

caf 1:26 pm 05 Mar 13

I favour the 5×5 option, as I think it’s easier to jiggle 5 electorates to match the geography of the Territory. That said, I can’t fault the Greens for pushing for the option that would lead to more members of minor parties in the Legislative Assembly – obviously they believe that more representation of minor parties leads to better outcomes, or else they just would have joined one of the major parties!

(Interestingly, pushing for 3×9 isn’t the most self-interested tack that the Greens could have taken – 3×7 would be better for them, as they would generally be best placed to take the seventh seat, but in a nine member electorate they would likely be sharing the crossbenches with a minor party of the right).

Remember that more than a fifth of formal votes at the 2012 election expressed a first preference for a minor party, so locking those parties out of the Assembly is ignoring the wishes of a decent proportion of the population.

Matt_Watts 12:05 pm 05 Mar 13

Gungahlin Al said :

Matt_Watts said :

Gungahlin Al said :

cranky said :

Just seems a method of increasing the snouts in troughs. Another ten at somewhere in the vicinity of $300K (plus staff) PA per bod is ludicrous.

WVH could do with 3 mill PA.

$300K each? On what planet?

Not an unreasonable estimate, depending on how many staff each MLA would have if one considers the full costs (eg super, etc).

Read the comment Matt. “$300K (plus staff)”

You’ve never been one for semantics, Al 🙂 I really only paid attention to your comment.

You were shocked and I reacted; I now retract that, given the context. But the cost $300K each, taking into account staff, allowances and office space, is not unreasonable at all. Probably cheap.

slashdot 12:03 pm 05 Mar 13

wouldn’t it be better to have direct representation, instead of the unaccountable rubbish system we have now?

Smaller electorates with one member.

Chop71 11:32 am 05 Mar 13

Gungahlin Al said :

Matt_Watts said :

Gungahlin Al said :

cranky said :

Just seems a method of increasing the snouts in troughs. Another ten at somewhere in the vicinity of $300K (plus staff) PA per bod is ludicrous.

WVH could do with 3 mill PA.

$300K each? On what planet?

Not an unreasonable estimate, depending on how many staff each MLA would have if one considers the full costs (eg super, etc).

Read the comment Matt. “$300K (plus staff)”

I’d say he was referring to the selective editing where the hospital could do with $3 million.
If you would like to come up with another figure Al I am happy to listen to your reasoning for it.

Gungahlin Al 11:23 am 05 Mar 13

Matt_Watts said :

Gungahlin Al said :

cranky said :

Just seems a method of increasing the snouts in troughs. Another ten at somewhere in the vicinity of $300K (plus staff) PA per bod is ludicrous.

WVH could do with 3 mill PA.

$300K each? On what planet?

Not an unreasonable estimate, depending on how many staff each MLA would have if one considers the full costs (eg super, etc).

Read the comment Matt. “$300K (plus staff)”

Matt_Watts 11:03 am 05 Mar 13

Gungahlin Al said :

cranky said :

Just seems a method of increasing the snouts in troughs. Another ten at somewhere in the vicinity of $300K (plus staff) PA per bod is ludicrous.

WVH could do with 3 mill PA.

$300K each? On what planet?

Not an unreasonable estimate, depending on how many staff each MLA would have if one considers the full costs (eg super, etc).

Gungahlin Al 10:04 am 05 Mar 13

cranky said :

Just seems a method of increasing the snouts in troughs. Another ten at somewhere in the vicinity of $300K (plus staff) PA per bod is ludicrous.

WVH could do with 3 mill PA.

$300K each? On what planet?

cranky 9:44 pm 04 Mar 13

Just seems a method of increasing the snouts in troughs. Another ten at somewhere in the vicinity of $300K (plus staff) PA per bod is ludicrous.

WVH could do with 3 mill PA.

justin heywood 8:39 pm 04 Mar 13

“….more members equals a better chance for smaller or other parties to get into the Assembly.”

Yes Shane, that would be good only if you also believe your own small party has improved the governance of this town.

I’ve no doubt you and everybody YOU know believe that it has, but I think the electorate generally passed judgement on the idea at the last election.

Imagine the balance of power being held by a GROUP of small, narrowly focussed parties – although it could get interesting if it were the Greens and the Motorists.

Alderney 8:19 pm 04 Mar 13

You mean the greens have lodged a submission which is clearly aimed at having more greens in the assembly? Who’d have thunk it.

Is Zed giving the greens political strategy advice now?

Personally I favour more ans smaller electorates. Helps the constituency keep a closer eye on the muppets who put themselves up for office. It’s called accountability.

Tetranitrate 7:28 pm 04 Mar 13

Morgan said :

If we are going to have electorates they should be fairly local. Five lots of five make more sense to me. When there are three electorates you get stupidly large electorates like Molonglo with Gungahlin and Forrest in the same seat.

Given they’re proposing what looks to be 3 times 9, you probably wouldn’t see such issues as much. They stem from the fact that Molonglo has more members and more population than the other two electorates – if you were to equalize them, you’d probably see Gininderra eat Gungahlin.

If we were to have 9 member electorates, that means a quota of ~10%. That’d definitely open up the floor for more independents – It might not actually work all that well in the Greens favor in the long run given the substantial “other” first preference vote in the previous couple of elections that’s presently not represented.
They’d have a minimum of 4 seats locked in for sure, but it’d certainly allow for other parties to get into parliament and compete for the protest vote. Motorists would have gotten people up both 2012 and 2008 if we had 9 member electorates for instance.

Ben_Dover 7:27 pm 04 Mar 13

Hello Greens, planet earth calling.

Please note: We voted out 3 of your 4 MLAs last election, Shane only got in by the skin of his teeth. Your policies and personailities are not wanted. End of.

Morgan 5:57 pm 04 Mar 13

If we are going to have electorates they should be fairly local. Five lots of five make more sense to me. When there are three electorates you get stupidly large electorates like Molonglo with Gungahlin and Forrest in the same seat.

Either have small enough electorates to be sensible, or just have them elected as a whole.

When he says “more diversity” he means more members of the greens. Wish this debate could be had without partisan people trying to set the system up to suit their own interests.

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