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Greens want to buy off prison guards with overseas junkets

johnboy 30 August 2011 54

The Greens’ Amanda Bresnan has made a novel proposal to head off objections by prison guards to a needle and syringe program.

delegates of Corrections staff should be given the opportunity to visit and observe prisons in Europe that successfully run needle and syringe programs, in order to better understand what is proposed at the AMC.

“Corrections staff are key stakeholders and it’s important that they are given the chance to talk to their peers who have run similar programs elsewhere,” Ms Bresnan said.

“It is common practise for government to take a delegation to examine services that they are considering implementing or replicating, including if this is overseas. In July 2008, a team funded by ACT Health travelled to the United Kingdom to observe the structure and operations of established Nurse Walk in Centres.

“Corrections staff should be given the opportunity to visit overseas needle and syringe programs, so they are actually seeing how these programs work on the ground.

Why should anyone get their snout out of the taxpayer funded travel trough?


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Tooks Tooks 7:57 am 02 Sep 11

Grail said :

Tooks said :

And what about families of the inmates? Would they prefer the needle exchange, or perhaps zero tolerance for people smuggling in drugs?

Who the heck do you think is smuggling the drugs and paraphernalia into the gaol in the first place?

Obviously (at least I thought it would be obvious) I’m not talking about family members doing the smuggling. Don’t assume that all crooks have family members who are crooks. Those who care would not want their son, daughter etc taking drugs at all.

Mental Health Worker Mental Health Worker 9:37 pm 01 Sep 11

chewy14 said :

Mental Health Worker said :

Is it appropriate for a mental health worker to be a five post nutbag?

Hey, it’s just a tag. Is GrumpyOld Far really a grumpy old fart? Is Ben_Dover really a serial picker-up of soap in communal showers? Is mac87 really using a 24 year old computer? Is Colourful Sydney Racing Identity really an underworld crime lord? Is wildturkeycanoe really a, well, what IS a wild turkey canoe likely to be? I could go on, and I probably will, but not now…

MHW

Grail Grail 7:43 pm 01 Sep 11

Tooks said :

And what about families of the inmates? Would they prefer the needle exchange, or perhaps zero tolerance for people smuggling in drugs?

Who the heck do you think is smuggling the drugs and paraphernalia into the gaol in the first place?

mouthface mouthface 6:45 pm 01 Sep 11

chewy14 said :

Mental Health Worker said :

Is it appropriate for a mental health worker to be a five post nutbag?

+100

Tooks Tooks 9:51 am 01 Sep 11

A couple of points (some already mentioned) and as always, I’m happy to be corrected if I’m wrong on any of these:

Around 60% of inmates have Hep C. Most, if not all of them, contracted it on the outside. It’s a fair assumption to say they don’t practice safe needle use even when they have the opportunity to do so.

Has anyone asked the inmates whether they want the needle exchange? What inmate is going to ‘out’ themselves as a drug user and leave themselves open to more scrutiny (knowing their visits will be watched more closely; more frequent ‘random’ searches; their cells probably searched more often; more attention on their associates and visitors etc)?

And what about families of the inmates? Would they prefer the needle exchange, or perhaps zero tolerance for people smuggling in drugs?

I can understand why people support a needle exchange in the jail, but my sympathies lie with the corrections staff who are being asked to allow illegal acts right in front of their noses.

Given many of the inmates are there directly or indirectly due to drugs, wouldn’t it make more sense to make it harder for drugs to get in?

mac87 mac87 9:10 am 01 Sep 11

mac87 said :

Mental Health Worker said :

ImagineThat said :

I don’t understand why we are asking prison officers to effectively condone an illegal act. Surely the ACT government needs supporting legislation to remove any liability from a prison guard who knowingly ‘aids and abets’ a person in this regard.

Assuming the government passes this, then surely the next step is to also provide safe injection rooms for all ACT residents regardless of their curent accommodation situation.

And assuming we make it legal for everyone to safely inject themselves, we should probably also just bit the bullet and make it legal to take whatever drugs you like, when you like, where you like, with whomever you like.

Geez, crisis over…

that was easy!

Great point. We can have an injecting room in a prison but not in the community? Doesn’t make an awful lot of sense.

MHW

Because usually, in a community you havent been convicted or awaiting a trial and the issue of a community injecting room is totally separate. Jail is there for a punishment not for you to easily access the materials required for your next hit.

mac87 mac87 9:07 am 01 Sep 11

Mental Health Worker said :

ImagineThat said :

I don’t understand why we are asking prison officers to effectively condone an illegal act. Surely the ACT government needs supporting legislation to remove any liability from a prison guard who knowingly ‘aids and abets’ a person in this regard.

Assuming the government passes this, then surely the next step is to also provide safe injection rooms for all ACT residents regardless of their curent accommodation situation.

And assuming we make it legal for everyone to safely inject themselves, we should probably also just bit the bullet and make it legal to take whatever drugs you like, when you like, where you like, with whomever you like.

Geez, crisis over…

that was easy!

Great point. We can have an injecting room in a prison but not in the community? Doesn’t make an awful lot of sense.

MHW

Because usually, in a community you havent been convicted or awaiting a trial? Jail is there for a punishment not for you to easily access the materials required for your next hit.

farnarkler farnarkler 10:25 pm 31 Aug 11

A needle and syringe program shouldn’t need to be thought about at the AMC. I have personal experience of how sensitive a drug detector dog’s sense of smell is and anyone carrying drugs is going to get caught if subjected to a drug detector dog sniffing around them. Is there a logical reason why AMC doesn’t have drug detector dogs working there, sniffing around visitors and staff, much like what happens when you arrive at Sydney airport from an international flight???

I simply cannot understand why the government is even mentioning a needle and syringe program when the dogs are available.

chewy14 chewy14 10:06 pm 31 Aug 11

Mental Health Worker said :

Is it appropriate for a mental health worker to be a five post nutbag?

LSWCHP LSWCHP 9:44 pm 31 Aug 11

I’m with the “no drugs in jail, no needles in jail” crowd. Stuff ’em.

wildturkeycanoe wildturkeycanoe 9:31 pm 31 Aug 11

Sorry, I meant to agree with PBO about the zero tolerance bit, 2 thumbs up for ya.

wildturkeycanoe wildturkeycanoe 9:28 pm 31 Aug 11

This is hotting up nicely, just got to read it tonight.
Go DUB, fully agree that detention is detention, not a holiday. No drugs in prisons, full stop. No need for a trip to Europe, just stop the needles and drugs getting in there and there won’t be an issue.

Mental Health Worker Mental Health Worker 9:16 pm 31 Aug 11

“Is it your considered opinion that an elected official should disregard the opinion of those very people that their misguided policy will affect on a daily basis…”

but presumably you’re not talking about the prisoners, or their families? or all the non-government and government workers who work with them in prison (other than uniformed correctional officers) and outside prison, and who support a needle and syringe program in the prison?

I’m not expressing a personal opinion, just pointing out that yours is full of holes.

MHW

Mental Health Worker Mental Health Worker 9:11 pm 31 Aug 11

Chop71 said :

Jim Jones —- You’re on report, 3 posts in a row!!!

Going for Jim Jones’ record. Hopefully no-one got in the middle…

MHW

Mental Health Worker Mental Health Worker 9:11 pm 31 Aug 11

DUB said :

Ben_Dover said :

Mental Health Worker said :

p.s. your P.S. has been forwarded to the Australian Federal Police for a response. Expect a boot in the door around 4am tomorrow.

Nobody expects the tree hugging police!

+1
Biggest pot heads are, in fact, Greens.There used to be a greenie named Roland XXXXXXXXX, he was stoned every day.Yep, the one with green foils in his hair.:)

Biggest pot heads are in fact pot heads. I doubt they bother to join a political party, or vote.

MHW

Mental Health Worker Mental Health Worker 9:09 pm 31 Aug 11

Ben_Dover said :

Mental Health Worker said :

p.s. your P.S. has been forwarded to the Australian Federal Police for a response. Expect a boot in the door around 4am tomorrow.

Nobody expects the tree hugging police!

If you have a woody in public, you can expect police attention…

MHW

Mental Health Worker Mental Health Worker 9:07 pm 31 Aug 11

ImagineThat said :

I don’t understand why we are asking prison officers to effectively condone an illegal act. Surely the ACT government needs supporting legislation to remove any liability from a prison guard who knowingly ‘aids and abets’ a person in this regard.

Assuming the government passes this, then surely the next step is to also provide safe injection rooms for all ACT residents regardless of their curent accommodation situation.

And assuming we make it legal for everyone to safely inject themselves, we should probably also just bit the bullet and make it legal to take whatever drugs you like, when you like, where you like, with whomever you like.

Geez, crisis over…

that was easy!

Great point. We can have an injecting room in a prison but not in the community? Doesn’t make an awful lot of sense.

MHW

ImagineThat ImagineThat 6:55 pm 31 Aug 11

I don’t understand why we are asking prison officers to effectively condone an illegal act. Surely the ACT government needs supporting legislation to remove any liability from a prison guard who knowingly ‘aids and abets’ a person in this regard.

Assuming the government passes this, then surely the next step is to also provide safe injection rooms for all ACT residents regardless of their curent accommodation situation.

And assuming we make it legal for everyone to safely inject themselves, we should probably also just bit the bullet and make it legal to take whatever drugs you like, when you like, where you like, with whomever you like.

Geez, crisis over… that was easy!

mouthface mouthface 5:32 pm 31 Aug 11

Jim Jones said :

mouthface said :

Jim Jones said :

So, it’s your considered opinion that policy should be dictated by prison guards rather than the reams of evidence, or even the actual due process of local government?

What other professions are allowed to make up their own rules, regardless of the decisions of elected officials? Policemen? Teachers? Nurses?

It is my considered opinion that an elected official has the obligation to listen to the views of those who have first hand experience in the sphere in which they are about to impose their misguided policy. It is my considered opinion that policemen, nurses, teachers and others have a far better picture of the real world than an ideologically driven, vandal supporting, drug culture tolerating party like the Greens. It is my considered opinion that a corrections officer giving his view on public radio does not constitute “making your own rules” and is in fact a part of the due process of local government. It is my considered opinion that flying a bunch of people over to Europe is a gross waste of money, and not very “carbon emissions” responsible from a party that likes to take the higher moral ground when it comes to climate change. Please let me ask you this: Is it your considered opinion that an elected official should disregard the opinion of those very people that their misguided policy will affect on a daily basis, in order to uphold their ideology, an ideology that is probably at odds with the views of the greater community and a disaster in the making?

This one is worth having another look at, particularly given that you seem to believe that it constitutes a ‘reasoned argument’.

Doesn’t look much more than ‘RAAA GREENS ARE EVIL RAAA WE’LL BE ROOONED’ to me.

Come on mate, answer one of my questions, give me some sort pf rebuttal, please. Or just shut up, read your own last post and realise you have nothing. I will once again ask you to give me an answer to my original question to you, and yes it was a part of the post you claimed was nothing more than a rant.

Is it your considered opinion that an elected official should disregard the opinion of those very people that their misguided policy will affect on a daily basis, in order to uphold their ideology, an ideology that is probably at odds with the views of the greater community and a disaster in the making?

Anything? Or more blah blah from you?

Jim Jones Jim Jones 4:15 pm 31 Aug 11

Chop71 said :

Jim Jones —- You’re on report, 3 posts in a row!!!

I’m so embarrassed.

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