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Grey power unite – Take back the night

By John Hargreaves - 2 February 2015 9

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Back in September I wrote about the quality (or lack of it) in our nursing homes and the appalling treatment the Federal Government was meting out to residents of those homes.

I was particularly concerned with the complaints mechanisms. They were and are totally inadequate. The feds have abrogated their responsibility for the quality of care in these facilities and now have sunken to even lower depths.

You know, the really vulnerable people in high care residential nursing homes facilities are often suffering from underlying conditions which require care that can’t be delivered in an ordinary home environment, no matter how dedicated family members are. It just ain’t possible.

I talked about some of the horrible stories about these homes and I refer rioters to that blog on 22 September for refreshment.

I am concerned on two levels.

The first is the latest attack from this caring government. They are planning to downsize the complaints mechanism and asking the residents or their rellies to work it out with the nursing home facility. Self-regulation does not work here.

Then they are saying that they want to change the accreditation period from three years to five years. This means that facilities are only audited once every five years! Hello! What part of that is a good idea?

This means that if one has a substandard facility, it will only have its accreditation challenged when sufficient complaints come in, which have been adjudicated on by the facility itself. This works for me! Not!

The second is that people without relatives in aged care facilities don’t give a monkey’s about the issue. The issue is not sexy enough for some. Well, it would be if you had to watch your rellie receive substandard service and couldn’t do anything about it. Or if you are not as young as you once were and might end up in residential care soon yourself.

It is only when bedsores become rampant, when sickness becomes a hospital issue or when there is an unexplained death that people start to take notice.

Not good enough, guys.

Everyone should take an interest in this crisis because crisis it is. What does the compassionate federal government think they are doing?

I don’t care about what they think they’re doing. I know that they are putting the quality of life and lives themselves in jeopardy, that’s what.

What’s Your opinion?


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9 Responses to
Grey power unite – Take back the night
neanderthalsis 9:10 am 03 Feb 15

John Hargreaves said :

To start criticising the ACT Government for being responsible for this issue is an extremely long bow and shows a real disregard for those in nursing homes. You, who propound this idiocy, should hang your head in shame.

Given that states and territories have their own compliance and regulatory structures in place for aged care, it is perfectly reasonable that the Commonwealth does not duplicate them.

John, you said in your original post that They are planning to downsize the complaints mechanism and asking the residents or their rellies to work it out with the nursing home facility. Self-regulation does not work here. I for one would expect that individuals with complaints about service and care in nursing homes would first address these concerns (unless they involved criminal behaviour or negligence) to the nursing home. Breeding a culture where people run off to government demanding solutions to all of life’s problems is not something I would want to see in our society.

You, who propound this idiocy, should hang your head in shame.

Can you not get out of the sewer in which you were spawned and realise that you too, one day will be in this boat and it is now that we should address the issues, not attempt to rationalize the victimization by way of spurious and childish logic.

I seem to recall a post from you about bullying and playing the topic not the man. Pot, kettle. That is all.

rommeldog56 7:20 pm 02 Feb 15

John Hargreaves said :

I thank the rioters who have taken my concerns about the services to older people seriously. The plans by the Federal Govt to reduce the advocacy opportunities for residents in nursing homes is to be appalled as too is the idea of five year accreditation. This is pure abrogation of the responsibility for those who have difficulty caring for themselves.

To start criticising the ACT Government for being responsible for this issue is an extremely long bow and shows a real disregard for those in nursing homes. You, who propound this idiocy, should hang your head in shame.

Can you not get out of the sewer in which you were spawned and realise that you too, one day will be in this boat and it is now that we should address the issues, not attempt to rationalize the victimization by way of spurious and childish logic.

Residents in nursing homes are people with intelligence, integrity, pride and deserve respect.

This federal Government should retract its plans. This is why I start the conversation, not to bag the federal Government. That is as easy as standing on ants. I just want them to change their mind and forget this nonsense.

If I wanted to have a go for its own sake, I would have used language a lot stronger than I did.

…get out of the sewer in which you were spawned” ?

Ok – if we are resorting to personal insults then you must be stupid not to see the point I was trying to make. I am not surprised by that though.

1) It is undeniable that more people in low care Aged Care will increase costs of subsidisation by Government.

2) So, it is inevitable that there will be less money to meet all that cost – including high care Aged Care needs.

3) Ergo, more $/subsiderisation has to be tipped in by Government or the quality of Aged Care, including high needs, will continue to decrease.

4) Keeping people out of lower care Aged Care should help to free up $ for high care Aged Care.

I maintain that the cost of living (including scheduled increases in Annual Rates pa + meeting the cost of the Territory budget deficit and PPPs like light rail) will bring fiorward peoples plans to move into aged care arrangements, rather than try to provide for them selves as planned by self funded retirees.

And BTW – my 90 yo mother has dementia in a high care aged home in NSW – she is seen regularly by family and the staff there are great. Just thought I’d mention that in case you want to sling off again.

Evilomlap 5:57 pm 02 Feb 15

John Hargreaves said :

If I wanted to have a go for its own sake, I would have used language a lot stronger than I did.

Can you please have a go for its own sake? I do it all the time, it’s pretty good! I got no issues with strong language.

John Hargreaves 3:07 pm 02 Feb 15

I thank the rioters who have taken my concerns about the services to older people seriously. The plans by the Federal Govt to reduce the advocacy opportunities for residents in nursing homes is to be appalled as too is the idea of five year accreditation. This is pure abrogation of the responsibility for those who have difficulty caring for themselves.

To start criticising the ACT Government for being responsible for this issue is an extremely long bow and shows a real disregard for those in nursing homes. You, who propound this idiocy, should hang your head in shame.

Can you not get out of the sewer in which you were spawned and realise that you too, one day will be in this boat and it is now that we should address the issues, not attempt to rationalize the victimization by way of spurious and childish logic.

Residents in nursing homes are people with intelligence, integrity, pride and deserve respect.

This federal Government should retract its plans. This is why I start the conversation, not to bag the federal Government. That is as easy as standing on ants. I just want them to change their mind and forget this nonsense.

If I wanted to have a go for its own sake, I would have used language a lot stronger than I did.

dungfungus 2:48 pm 02 Feb 15

rommeldog56 said :

The OP critices the Fed’s for being uncareing and for not being compassionate, for not recognising quality of life in assisted age care facilities. Fair enough – thats what I too think too, a greater or lesser degree.

However, hige care Age Care is one step in the ageing/care process. The ACT Government is also complicit in creating some of these situations. Why ? Because the artificially high cost of Annual Rates inceasing by 10% avg. pa for 20+ years will drive the aging and in particular self funded retirees, either out of Canberra or into aged care of some sort (though probably not initially into high care Age Care – yet) well before that may have happened anyway, simply because those Annual Rates are no longer affordable !

Also, the state of the Territory’s budget and additional costs yet to materalise such as PPPs for Light Rail and the new public service building planned for the Civic – both of which are IMHO, totally unnecessary (but also introduced by the current ACT Gov’t – and voted for by ACT voters), will over time inevitableyput even more pressure on Annual Rates/ACT Gov’t fees and charges – so making it even more difficult for self funded retirees to survive and provide for themselves in the ACT.

Once people get into low care Aged Care, they will usually follow the aged care path into high care Aged Care. So, IMHO, the ACT Gov’t is actually feeding that growth and creating more of the problem that you are complaining about.

If u want to make such allegations against the Feds (& I think u are right about that), then they should equally apply to the ACT Government.

I stand by for the responses from the usual apologists for the ACT Gov’t…….

They have gone to their homes and are awaiting instructions (on how to answer your post).

rommeldog56 2:00 pm 02 Feb 15

The OP critices the Fed’s for being uncareing and for not being compassionate, for not recognising quality of life in assisted age care facilities. Fair enough – thats what I too think too, a greater or lesser degree.

However, hige care Age Care is one step in the ageing/care process. The ACT Government is also complicit in creating some of these situations. Why ? Because the artificially high cost of Annual Rates inceasing by 10% avg. pa for 20+ years will drive the aging and in particular self funded retirees, either out of Canberra or into aged care of some sort (though probably not initially into high care Age Care – yet) well before that may have happened anyway, simply because those Annual Rates are no longer affordable !

Also, the state of the Territory’s budget and additional costs yet to materalise such as PPPs for Light Rail and the new public service building planned for the Civic – both of which are IMHO, totally unnecessary (but also introduced by the current ACT Gov’t – and voted for by ACT voters), will over time inevitableyput even more pressure on Annual Rates/ACT Gov’t fees and charges – so making it even more difficult for self funded retirees to survive and provide for themselves in the ACT.

Once people get into low care Aged Care, they will usually follow the aged care path into high care Aged Care. So, IMHO, the ACT Gov’t is actually feeding that growth and creating more of the problem that you are complaining about.

If u want to make such allegations against the Feds (& I think u are right about that), then they should equally apply to the ACT Government.

I stand by for the responses from the usual apologists for the ACT Gov’t…….

dungfungus 11:49 am 02 Feb 15

“…..The second is that people without relatives in aged care facilities don’t give a monkey’s about the issue…….”

John, I accept that you are very caring about the issues and so I am I.
Unfortunately, a lot of relatives that do have family in aged care are not.
The saddest thing is to visit a loved one in an aged care facility and talk to others there who either have no relatives or friends or worse still, their own children who never go and see them.

chewy14 11:37 am 02 Feb 15

Mysteryman said :

So, John, can you tell us in specific terms exactly how the current Federal government has caused the situation which you find to be so appalling, despite the fact that the reforms haven’t yet taken place?

um…….because….. um…… Tony Abbott………..

Mysteryman 11:30 am 02 Feb 15

So, John, can you tell us in specific terms exactly how the current Federal government has caused the situation which you find to be so appalling, despite the fact that the reforms haven’t yet taken place?

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