Horse Racing – Paying the Price

cranky 25 October 2009 29

Saturday’s CT front page main item has the local ‘racing’ industry, (apparently consisting of thoroughbred, harness and greyhound afficiendos) up in arms that they are not being paid millions more from the ACT Treasury to pursue their interests.

I would cross the road to see a horse race to save my life, but for no other reason.

On what grounds do these people have a claim on the ACT ratepayers?

UPDATED: While there is no online version of this story, there is a story today about ACTSport wanting more governemnt money for local sporting clubs. Whether the two stories are related depends on whether you think racing is a sport.


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Anna Key Anna Key 4:22 pm 27 Oct 09

Chop71 said :

… or here is an idea. Close it down so that young people don’t waste money on new outfits and hats propping up the local economy and rather sit at home (smoking cones) whinging about there being nothing to do in Canberra.

Because there are so so many of them at the races every week. And those that aren’t are off their faces of course. I never went to the races when I was younger, perhaps that is what caused the recession of the early 90s.

astrojax astrojax 3:05 pm 27 Oct 09

i know it is not the point at issue, but the argument relates – i was somewhat outraged recently (to put it it letter-writing parlance) at the suggestions the afl take some note of the requests from the bookmakers and on-line sports bet facilities regarding ‘tanking’ in the game… now, while deliberately actually ‘losing’ – as opposed to simply not trying hard to win but perhaps trying out some tactics/new players, etc – is deplorable, i don’t for a moment think an afl team has gone out to lose and, in any case, surely this is one of the variables upon which the concept of ‘betting’ relies – if it was so certain, no-one would bet! so, working out when a coach might try new tactics as opposed to implementing strategies to beat the opposition is surely one of these variables, innit?

anyway, point is, the bookies and punters choose gamble and they shouldn’t have so much say in how the contest occurs, so taxpayers shouldn’t fund the process…

georgesgenitals georgesgenitals 4:52 am 27 Oct 09

p1 said :

Is there anyone out there who can tell me the details about how many times I can legally whip my pets during any one race? I assume if my cat is competing I can flog it 18 times?

Gold! Perhaps we could institute a new rule whereby jockeys have a choice of either flogging the horse 20 times OR sticking a red hot poker up its butt.

Chop71 Chop71 10:45 pm 26 Oct 09

… or here is an idea. Close it down so that young people don’t waste money on new outfits and hats propping up the local economy and rather sit at home (smoking cones) whinging about there being nothing to do in Canberra.

vg vg 10:16 pm 26 Oct 09

Deckard said :

54-11 said :

So, vg, what’s naive about wanting an end to corporate welfare when our social services, such as health, are crying out for more money?

But these services receive some of their money from revenue raised by gambling. Don’t you have to sometimes feed the hand that feeds you?

Thank you for saving me having to say it.

p1 p1 4:01 pm 26 Oct 09

Is there anyone out there who can tell me the details about how many times I can legally whip my pets during any one race? I assume if my cat is competing I can flog it 18 times?

icantbelieveitsnotbutter icantbelieveitsnotbutter 3:24 pm 26 Oct 09

If they can produce a business plan to show they won’t need continued increased support over many years… then give them some help in the mean time. If they can’t, then sorry… clearly not sustainable. I’m sure the government can find another source of income like, say, poker machines

Anna Key Anna Key 2:38 pm 26 Oct 09

AG Canberra said :

I think any industry should be able to ask for a slice of extra revenue they might be generating for Gov. Geez – the car and farming industries have recieved billions over the past few years….

Don’t make it right though, especially the constant propping up of unsustainable farming.

Gungahlin Al Gungahlin Al 1:55 pm 26 Oct 09

harvyk1 said :

The industry itself doesn’t need handouts, it the racetracks that do…
From what I have heard, most (if not all) racetracks in Australia are losing money and are only kept open by proping up by tax dollars.

In an “industry” which deals with multiple lots of 6 and 7 figure “winnings” (not to mention the other aux industries such as TAB)on a single day I find it hard to believe that the racetracks themselves haven’t managed to get themselves a better deal where they don’t need to rely on gov’t handouts to stay in business.

And therein lies the solution? Venues charge the players and attendees – like many other highly professionalised sports.

AG Canberra AG Canberra 1:18 pm 26 Oct 09

The industry are actually asking for a slice of the extra revenue that the ACT Gov will get once it passes new legislation covering the use of race fields info by bookies like BetFair and Sportingbet. Other states have had this in place for a few years and finally the ACT will come into line.

I think any industry should be able to ask for a slice of extra revenue they might be generating for Gov. Geez – the car and farming industries have recieved billions over the past few years….

Anna Key Anna Key 1:16 pm 26 Oct 09

chewy14 said :

Deckard is correct.
I wouldn’t call asking for a bigger slice of the revenue you generate for the government, a handout.

Or the tens of million being spent by sponsors and TV rights for the Melb Cup carnival could be distributed around the country to support the industry as a whole. Not to mention the money wasted on new outfits and hats by the social set just to be seen. And why do Canberra and Queanbeyan both need a racetrack?

chewy14 chewy14 1:01 pm 26 Oct 09

Buzz2600 said :

Horse racing should go the way of the dodo. Who wants to see horses whipped and euthanized for public entertainment and money?

whinge, whinge, whinge.
Why don’t they let the horses go so they can run free and wild like nature intended? Then we can all dance around naked and eat tofu with our animal brethren.

spinact spinact 12:35 pm 26 Oct 09

Don’t know what everyone else is seeing on their browsers, but I get a banner ad for sporting bet right in the middle of this thread. Classic

Thoroughly Smashed Thoroughly Smashed 11:30 am 26 Oct 09

Quite ridiculous really.

harvyk1 harvyk1 11:12 am 26 Oct 09

The industry itself doesn’t need handouts, it the racetracks that do…
From what I have heard, most (if not all) racetracks in Australia are losing money and are only kept open by proping up by tax dollars.

In an “industry” which deals with multiple lots of 6 and 7 figure “winnings” (not to mention the other aux industries such as TAB)on a single day I find it hard to believe that the racetracks themselves haven’t managed to get themselves a better deal where they don’t need to rely on gov’t handouts to stay in business.

Buzz2600 Buzz2600 10:37 am 26 Oct 09

Horse racing should go the way of the dodo. Who wants to see horses whipped and euthanized for public entertainment and money?

chewy14 chewy14 9:18 am 26 Oct 09

Deckard is correct.
I wouldn’t call asking for a bigger slice of the revenue you generate for the government, a handout.

Muttsybignuts Muttsybignuts 10:26 pm 25 Oct 09

When the horse flu shut down the whole horsy thing for a weekend, the papers claimed that the industry lost $100 million in just 1 weekend. If it makes that much every weekend on average then it doesn’t need a handout from the government.

VicePope VicePope 10:01 pm 25 Oct 09

Horse racing. Marginally more interesting than “motor sport”, but probably behind darts and marbles in the Canberra Vatican. Way behind the Roller Derby. Never really seen the point of it, and never really understood why people would wager real money (that they work for and could spend on something useful) on the vagaries of horses and the variable intentions of the people who train and ride them.

A bigger problem locally is that I am told the local racing scene (except for one or two races a year) is of no more than ordinary quality and that it is hard to get worthwhile odds on anything with half a chance. So why bother going? Why bother chucking public money at it (better to get a statue of John Hargreaves)? If the punting tragics pay enough to keep their hobby going, good luck to them. The modest tax take can be better used than on supporting more ordinary horses and the people who live on their efforts.

Deckard Deckard 8:35 pm 25 Oct 09

54-11 said :

So, vg, what’s naive about wanting an end to corporate welfare when our social services, such as health, are crying out for more money?

But these services receive some of their money from revenue raised by gambling. Don’t you have to sometimes feed the hand that feeds you?

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