If America’s running up the white flag on drugs how long will the madness last here?

johnboy 17 June 2012 54

Cracked’s Adam Tod Brown has written an excellent piece on just what is involved in getting marijuana in California these days (and a rapidly growing number of American states).

I recommend reading it, but basically if you’re willing to tell your doctor a white lie (hello ritalin and oxycontin) you can buy weed as readily as booze and cigarettes.

Which is probably as it should be.

For years we too have been waging an unwinnable conflict against the recreational choices of our own citizenry, mostly at the request of US authorities.

But if they can’t be arsed anymore why should we?

Is it time to revisit drug law reform in the ACT?


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p1 p1 9:29 am 23 Jun 12

HenryBG said :

Proboscus said :

Jim Jones said :

HenryBG said :

c_c said :

Legal, not legal, really couldn’t care. I just think if you need/want the stuff there’s obviously something wrong with you.

Same goes for those who smoke nicotine or drink excessively (which is to say more than a glass with dinner).

If you really need to alter your mental state and drown out reality, you’ve got issues.

Not sure what you think you’re adding to this discussion.G’day mate – when are you free for me to pick up the treadmill?..
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It’s another one of those narcissistic comments: “I’m so awesome I don’t need drugs”.

Generally made by inanely tedious people who you have to avoid at parties.

Are you for real? Junkies are the most narcissistic entities on the planet – other than your good self. They let their families struggle, let their kids go hungry and show contempt as they thieve from or assault (often the elderly or disabled) while thinking only of themselves and their next hit.

So – are you saying that if we ban drugs, there won’t be any more junkies – is that it?

Do *try* to catch up….

No, he’s saying that all people who use drugs are junkies and neglect there kids while assaulting grannies. Just like all people who put a single dollar in a pokie machine starve there children and embezel millions from their employer and commit welfare fraud.

Don’t look now, there is a straw man behind you.

HenryBG HenryBG 8:49 am 23 Jun 12

Proboscus said :

Jim Jones said :

HenryBG said :

c_c said :

Legal, not legal, really couldn’t care. I just think if you need/want the stuff there’s obviously something wrong with you.

Same goes for those who smoke nicotine or drink excessively (which is to say more than a glass with dinner).

If you really need to alter your mental state and drown out reality, you’ve got issues.

Not sure what you think you’re adding to this discussion.G’day mate – when are you free for me to pick up the treadmill?..
.

It’s another one of those narcissistic comments: “I’m so awesome I don’t need drugs”.

Generally made by inanely tedious people who you have to avoid at parties.

Are you for real? Junkies are the most narcissistic entities on the planet – other than your good self. They let their families struggle, let their kids go hungry and show contempt as they thieve from or assault (often the elderly or disabled) while thinking only of themselves and their next hit.

So – are you saying that if we ban drugs, there won’t be any more junkies – is that it?

Do *try* to catch up….

Jethro Jethro 6:56 am 23 Jun 12

Proboscus said :

Jim Jones said :

HenryBG said :

c_c said :

Legal, not legal, really couldn’t care. I just think if you need/want the stuff there’s obviously something wrong with you.

Same goes for those who smoke nicotine or drink excessively (which is to say more than a glass with dinner).

If you really need to alter your mental state and drown out reality, you’ve got issues.

Not sure what you think you’re adding to this discussion.G’day mate – when are you free for me to pick up the treadmill?..
.

It’s another one of those narcissistic comments: “I’m so awesome I don’t need drugs”.

Generally made by inanely tedious people who you have to avoid at parties.

Are you for real? Junkies are the most narcissistic entities on the planet – other than your good self. They let their families struggle, let their kids go hungry and show contempt as they thieve from or assault (often the elderly or disabled) while thinking only of themselves and their next hit.

Someone who smokes a cheeky joint at a party is not a junkie.

How about you move on from your ridiculous stereotypes and actually allow people with sensible opinions on the best way to regulate the production and sale of cannabis to debate the merits of various policy positions based on actual facts instead of a hysterical strawman argument that has little basis in reality?

As for actual junkies… they would be better served (as would society) if they were treated as people with serious health problems, not criminals.

People who support the war on drugs are doing little more than support organised criminals who benefit from the prohibition, and they are doing little more than help create the social conditions that make escape from drug addiction almost impossible for serious addicts.

Supporters of prohibition can blame themselves for the civil war in Mexico that has led to the deaths of tens of thousands of people, they can blame themselves for every overdose death that occurs because a street drug has been laced with poisonous chemicals, and they can blame themselves for drug related crime that occurs because of the way drug production and use is pushed to the peripheries and underworld of society.

You cannot legislate away natural human behaviour, but you can certainly create legislation that makes natural human behaviour have worse consequences than it needs to.

c_c c_c 2:30 am 23 Jun 12

Jim Jones said :

johnboy said :

They rarely get invited to that sort of party

That’s right, they’re too busy ‘not drowning out reality’ in front of the TV.

Given the number of posts on this threat from Jim Jones, who is obviously spending a lot of time in front of a computer screen, perhaps he’ll realise the irony.

PrinceOfAles PrinceOfAles 10:31 pm 22 Jun 12

HenryBG said :

c_c said :

Legal, not legal, really couldn’t care. I just think if you need/want the stuff there’s obviously something wrong with you.

Same goes for those who smoke nicotine or drink excessively (which is to say more than a glass with dinner).

If you really need to alter your mental state and drown out reality, you’ve got issues.

Not sure what you think you’re adding to this discussion…

Lots of people abuse alcohol. Lots of people die on the roads as a result of alcohol. Lots of people end up in hospital as a result of alcohol.
The prohibition on alcohol was an abject failure which boosted organised crime and was abandoned.

Similarly, prohibition on cannabis has been an abject failure with a great many negative consequences.
At some point, we will need to break free from the USA’a psychotic and dishonest objections to cannabis and make our own evidence-based policies on cannabis.

I agree with you Henry. Prohibition will be remembered as one of the great failures of history.

Proboscus Proboscus 6:50 pm 22 Jun 12

Jim Jones said :

HenryBG said :

c_c said :

Legal, not legal, really couldn’t care. I just think if you need/want the stuff there’s obviously something wrong with you.

Same goes for those who smoke nicotine or drink excessively (which is to say more than a glass with dinner).

If you really need to alter your mental state and drown out reality, you’ve got issues.

Not sure what you think you’re adding to this discussion.G’day mate – when are you free for me to pick up the treadmill?..
.

It’s another one of those narcissistic comments: “I’m so awesome I don’t need drugs”.

Generally made by inanely tedious people who you have to avoid at parties.

Are you for real? Junkies are the most narcissistic entities on the planet – other than your good self. They let their families struggle, let their kids go hungry and show contempt as they thieve from or assault (often the elderly or disabled) while thinking only of themselves and their next hit.

Ronnielane Ronnielane 6:40 pm 22 Jun 12

This article gives some creditable insight into America’s “war on drugs.”http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/17/magazine/how-a-mexican-drug-cartel-makes-its-billions.html?_r=1&pagewanted=all

snoopydoc snoopydoc 4:41 pm 22 Jun 12

On a tangential note…. how would the average TRA-er feel about the idea of billing “patients” who are brought to hospital purely because of the effects of ethanol, ice, etc. ?

p1 p1 12:42 pm 19 Jun 12

Jim Jones said :

Thumper said :

Jim Jones said :

johnboy said :

They rarely get invited to that sort of party

That’s right, they’re too busy ‘not drowning out reality’ in front of the TV.

I rarely remember such parties.

Well, not much of them anyway.

I probably know you IRL then.

I probably would know you, if my memories weren’t all blur and full of weird gaps.

Jim Jones Jim Jones 12:28 pm 19 Jun 12

Thumper said :

Jim Jones said :

johnboy said :

They rarely get invited to that sort of party

That’s right, they’re too busy ‘not drowning out reality’ in front of the TV.

I rarely remember such parties.

Well, not much of them anyway.

I probably know you IRL then.

HenryBG HenryBG 12:05 pm 19 Jun 12

Jim Jones said :

johnboy said :

They rarely get invited to that sort of party

That’s right, they’re too busy ‘not drowning out reality’ in front of the TV.

I used to live in Forrest next door to a guy who had several quite nice cars, each with a numberplate “CC…”.

We used to call him “CC”.

I always wondered why he needed personalised numberplates. Obviously, somebody who feels the need to put his own initials on his cars numberplates has some issues.

Thumper Thumper 12:04 pm 19 Jun 12

Jim Jones said :

johnboy said :

They rarely get invited to that sort of party

That’s right, they’re too busy ‘not drowning out reality’ in front of the TV.

I rarely remember such parties.

Well, not much of them anyway.

Watson Watson 12:03 pm 19 Jun 12

c_c said :

Legal, not legal, really couldn’t care. I just think if you need/want the stuff there’s obviously something wrong with you.

Same goes for those who smoke nicotine or drink excessively (which is to say more than a glass with dinner).

If you really need to alter your mental state and drown out reality, you’ve got issues.

I don’t need sugar, coffee or fatty foods either, but they make me feel soooo good!

Jim Jones Jim Jones 11:50 am 19 Jun 12

johnboy said :

They rarely get invited to that sort of party

That’s right, they’re too busy ‘not drowning out reality’ in front of the TV.

Jim Jones Jim Jones 11:21 am 19 Jun 12

HenryBG said :

c_c said :

Legal, not legal, really couldn’t care. I just think if you need/want the stuff there’s obviously something wrong with you.

Same goes for those who smoke nicotine or drink excessively (which is to say more than a glass with dinner).

If you really need to alter your mental state and drown out reality, you’ve got issues.

Not sure what you think you’re adding to this discussion…
.

It’s another one of those narcissistic comments: “I’m so awesome I don’t need drugs”.

Generally made by inanely tedious people who you have to avoid at parties.

p1 p1 11:05 am 19 Jun 12

PBO said :

Slice said :

I’m hysterically and stubbornly against this, why not legalise automatic machine guns and incest while you are at it!!!!!!

I am facinated by these “automatic machine guns”, what are they?

Metal Storm

HenryBG HenryBG 10:16 am 19 Jun 12

c_c said :

Legal, not legal, really couldn’t care. I just think if you need/want the stuff there’s obviously something wrong with you.

Same goes for those who smoke nicotine or drink excessively (which is to say more than a glass with dinner).

If you really need to alter your mental state and drown out reality, you’ve got issues.

Not sure what you think you’re adding to this discussion…

Lots of people abuse alcohol. Lots of people die on the roads as a result of alcohol. Lots of people end up in hospital as a result of alcohol.
The prohibition on alcohol was an abject failure which boosted organised crime and was abandoned.

Similarly, prohibition on cannabis has been an abject failure with a great many negative consequences.
At some point, we will need to break free from the USA’a psychotic and dishonest objections to cannabis and make our own evidence-based policies on cannabis.

Slice Slice 12:32 am 19 Jun 12

PBO and LSWCHP

Did not register the sarcasm in the comment.

Did not read further comments describing the sarcasm in the comment to Poetix.

You will be Ewokian pleasure slaves………

troutfisher troutfisher 9:39 pm 18 Jun 12

With all the drugs that get siezed each and every year, why can’t we get heroin addict, pot users etc on a register of some kind and give it to them for free.

I know this goes against the grain of some poeple and I for one have no time for druggies but:
– giving people “clean” drugs will reduce the burden on our health system, particularly the Ambos
-reduce property crime as they won’t need to break into houses to sell items for a few dollars to support their habit
-reduce the police man hours spent on getting people to Court only to see the cost of prosecution higher than the penalty given
-put the dealers out of business, and forcing them to have to pay back their suppliers without any means of income
-reduce the occurances of people stealing power to run grow houses, in essence pushing up the price for the rest of us. It would also mean no non taxable income for a lot of those people who think growing a few kgs each year is acceptable.

Lets not draw a line in the sand and say this is good and this is sort of ok but this is bad, you won’t stop people doing what they want to do, but you can stop a lot of the misery (burglary victims etc) by giving it away in a regulated and registered manner.

LSWCHP LSWCHP 8:29 pm 18 Jun 12

Slice said :

I’m hysterically and stubbornly against this, why not legalise automatic machine guns and incest while you are at it!!!!!!

I hate to nitpick (well, actually not) but there’s no such thing as a non automatic machine gun. Wait, am I missing the point here….??

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