Indigenous protest mooted for 2009.

poptop 18 December 2008 100

Green Left is reporting an Indigenous protest at Parly House for the first sitting day – 3 February 2009.

Calls to stop the NT intervention, maintain bilingual education and fulfill the election promise of ratifying the UN Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous People have not been resolved.

Looks like the warm fuzzy feelings from the apology are wearing a little thin.

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BerraBoy68 BerraBoy68 2:08 pm 22 Dec 08

Good points all, Peterh.

peterh peterh 12:05 pm 22 Dec 08


where did the thread end up?

we started with the tent embassy, and ended up about the intervention.

Here is my 2-cents….

The aboriginal people of Australia are the same as the other cultures here. We are all humanity. We all bleed red blood. (though we all try to avoid it) it is corny, but we all are australians.

In regard to the Tent Embassy, calling it an embassy means that the people there aren’t australian. they belong to another country of their own choosing. This is wrong. I think it is wrong, my blood brothers in the NT think it is wrong.

if it is a meeting place for other tribes, why is it out the front of the OPH? why not in gungahlin – at a specifically built site that is designed by aboriginal peoples?

I am a slightly fat White Man. I grew up in Darwin. I have several blood brothers, one of which gave me a transfusion to save my life. He and i believe we were changed when that transfusion hit my vein. I don’t really care about the tent embassy, neither does he.

He is more concerned about raising his kids with strong moral characters, overcoming obstacles in his life, having a happy home and food on the table. Funnily enough, I want the same for my family. If he came here to visit me, he is welcome in my home and at my table. I am welcome at his home and his table.

The intervention was a last ditch effort by the prior government to stay in power. it failed, and is costing us all money. The projects that have been shelved by the Rudd government’s departments included one that i was certain was of benefit to all indigenous communities. Access to the internet.

Speak to Paradigm IT about it. they have suffered due to the government canceling an 18mo contract. Paradigm IT are a Canberra company.

when are the people of Australia going to be everyone, regardless of colour, race, religion?

sepi sepi 11:45 am 22 Dec 08

The fact that they set up the intervention virtually overnight meant that they had to take any staff that applied – and they didn’t get many – remember the desperate circulars going around begging people to apply for remote jobs.

Your friend has been lucky. Other staff worked in remote towns, housed in those shipping containers that turned out to have dangerous levels of formaldehyde in them.

I know someone who offered to go because she thought is was the right thing to do. She is close to retirement age, and found most others who went were very young – mostly becuase they are the ones without families and mortgages, who could pop off to remote NT for 6 months without too much trouble.

Most staff of the intervention were given waffly jobs like “try to find emplyment opportunities for indig people in their local area’. The local area then being a farm and a shop, already fully staffed.

The whole thing could hardly have been managed worse if they had tried to stuff it up.

The only saving grace may be that the immense amount of funds spend on this debacle will be spend in future years on something more useful.

BerraBoy68 BerraBoy68 11:36 am 22 Dec 08

*good points* not “god points” and italics, AAaarrgh… It’s too close to Xmas….

BerraBoy68 BerraBoy68 11:35 am 22 Dec 08

jakez said :

sepi said :

Clown Killer: I went to Eddies so I never miss an opportunity to take a dig at Marist.

CK and Jakez, I know your comments on Dara and Marist were said in jest but they do carry a serious message and god points.

On the intervention, I know a guy in the APS (EL2) who won a position as part of the intervention taskforce and is living on an island of NT for two years. He tells us all he does is walk around the island and fish all day. All this and he gets an extra $30K per year on top of his normal salary and gets to rent out his home in Canberra. He’s lost weight, is having an extended 2 year holiday, and enjoying life. He hasn’t mentioned a workd about working with the local population. I doubt this was the purpose of the exercise as envisaged by the Government but there you go…

sepi sepi 10:24 am 22 Dec 08

mal brough has admitted they came up with the intervention policy in 24 hours. No wonder it had a few defects.

they had 11 years to do something for indigenous australia, and waited til their last few months.

and then then spent billions on a plan they dreamed up in a day without consulting anyone involved in the area.

VYBerlinaV8_the_one_they_all_copy VYBerlinaV8_the_one_they_all_copy 9:33 am 22 Dec 08

Better still to come up with a plan that actually puts our (limited) resources to good use.

caf caf 9:22 am 22 Dec 08

Better to try and fail than to give up before you start.

Thumper Thumper 9:09 am 22 Dec 08

It’s all okay now because Ruddy has jumped the Hawke.

Except this time it’s no child will live without a house by 2020, or whatever…

Xbikee Xbikee 2:02 am 22 Dec 08

Aboriginal … an adjective.

Aborigine … a noun.

___original .. a good abbreviation.

sepi sepi 12:58 pm 19 Dec 08

I couldn’t find the article about the 18 million (probably from the Australian originally), but did find this:

“The cost of income management alone is currently running at $3000 per person per annum — to manage average welfare payments of around $10,000 per recipient. The documents point out that there are around 10,500 people under income management.”

(Income management is giving people supermarket vouchers instead of their welfare payments.)

It sounds good in theory, but has been a disaster in practice, and has cost a fortune. Some families living on farms etc don’t need to buy food, but do need to fix their cars etc, yet get grocery vouchers. Also it was stuffed up a lot in implementation, meaning some families had no money and no grocery vouchers some weeks. Or grocery vouchers from shops that don’t exist in the area etc.

They would have been far better off just providing some food parcels – cheaper and more effective.

medical intervention:

jakez jakez 12:39 pm 19 Dec 08

sepi said :

I remember one shocking fact, which said it cost 18 million, to garnishee the payments of only a handful of people (under a thousand), to ensure they bought food and nothing else. = So basically they could have just bought truckloads of vegies with their 18 million, and sent them to those few communities – it would have been cheaper and more effective. And not made the communities really angry and resentful for years to come.

And people wonder why I’m a libertarian.

Clown Killer: I went to Eddies so I never miss an opportunity to take a dig at Marist.

Clown Killer Clown Killer 12:15 pm 19 Dec 08

I was deliberately avoiding that one Jakez!

sepi sepi 12:12 pm 19 Dec 08

The premise as stated to the media was about protecting children from abuse – dog whistle politics at it’s nastiest.

There are many problems with the intervention at ground level.

– They cancelled a lot of smaller programs that were actually working andhad community support, to bring in the intervention programs.

– the one-size-fits-all approach is known not to work well with indigenous communities.

– they garnisheed people’s payments to only allow them to buy food – yet they don’t do this to anyone else in the country.

– the useless medical checks, designed only to uncover abuse, not to treat it.

They would have been better off just funding the extra police and health services, and letting those on the ground implement it. It would have saved a motza.

I remember one shocking fact, which said it cost 18 million, to garnishee the payments of only a handful of people (under a thousand), to ensure they bought food and nothing else. = So basically they could have just bought truckloads of vegies with their 18 million, and sent them to those few communities – it would have been cheaper and more effective. And not made the communities really angry and resentful for years to come.

jakez jakez 12:08 pm 19 Dec 08

Yeah and imagine if you asked around at Marist!

Clown Killer Clown Killer 12:01 pm 19 Dec 08

Farn, I suspect it’s got somthing to do with telling these communities what’s good for them and imposing outide ideas on them about what they want and need (which is by no means to be taken as a defence of they way things might have been done befor).

In mainstream Australia when communities take a stand against government actions, no matter how much sense they make, it’s hailed as a win for democracy – a recent example being the Hume data centre. For some reason when Aboriginal communities exercise the same freedoms we feel compelled to lable them as ignorant, ungrateful and undeserving.

Given that the fundamental premise of the intervention was to protect children against sexual abuse, it seems lost that only 13 confimed cases have come to light in all of this. I’d wager you’d get more than that if you asked around at Daramarlan Colledge.

farnarkler farnarkler 11:20 am 19 Dec 08

Reading the progress the NTER has made, it doesn’t sound like a bad thing at all. 57 additional police officers, 750 new and 2500 upgraded houses doesn’t sound like something to be protested against.

jakez jakez 10:51 am 19 Dec 08

Well it was more a dual statement on the philosophical concept of ownership and the homogeneity of ‘aboriginal studies’ in school but cheers.

jimbocool jimbocool 10:27 am 19 Dec 08

@jakez – I suggest you look up Vincent Lingiari and the Wave Hill Strike which eventually resulted in the Aboriginal Land Rights Act which you should also have a squiz at. Alternatively you could listen to Paul Kelly’s “from little things, big things grow” which tells the whole story in 11 verses.

Or as Pincher Manguari, one of the strikers, put it: “We want them Vestey mob all go away from here. Wave Hill Aboriginal people bin called Gurindji. We bin here long time before them Vestey mob. This is our country, all this bin Gurindji country. Wave Hill bin our country. We want this land; we strike for that”

seekay seekay 8:07 am 19 Dec 08

BTW – why are we taking a report in the Green Left Weekly seriously? The only people it talks for are about three left-over apologists for Stalin.

(Sorta says plenty about the tent embassy demographic.)

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