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Interesting topic on the 7:30 Report; should the Australian War Memorial have a section devoted to the conflict between aboriginals and the 18th century Europeans?

farnarkler 27 February 2009 67

I suppose some aboriginals would consider that they are still at war with white settlement.

[ED – The transcript is online. Perhaps if this could be offered in exchange for packing up the tent embassy?]


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zig zig 9:51 pm 28 Feb 09

No.

We can build a seperate building for that purpose. The trouble is, there won’t be much to put in there. Couple of throwing sticks, clubs, didgeridoos and black mannikins.

ant ant 8:20 pm 28 Feb 09

I would like a bit of teh AWM devoted to teh pain and suffering caused to my people by the Norman conquest, also. Those buggers.

sepi sepi 4:44 pm 28 Feb 09

Sorry – left out ‘indigenous’ above.

Some people use Indigenous, (with a capital) in the same way as English, Irish etc, to denote Australian aboriginals. While ‘indigenous’ can be used in its original more general meaning.

sepi sepi 4:43 pm 28 Feb 09

Trevar – on the linguistics question.

Some people use Indigenous, (with a capital) in the same way as English, Irish etc, to denote Australian aboriginals. While can be used in its original more general meaning.

Traditionalists don’t like it, but it works for me. the APS is heading this way, as this is what Indigenous people have indicated that they prefer.

dexi dexi 4:31 pm 28 Feb 09

“The AWM is not the place for this conflict.”

The British Imperial Museum (if there is one) is probably the right place. It was their campaign of genocide.

The debate on if it was a war has been compromised by the lies, misinformation and legal jargon, that have made sorting out definitions impossible.

I prefer to think of it as genocide to remove people from the land, for exploitation by the British Empire.

trevar trevar 4:22 pm 28 Feb 09

I-filed said :

Absolutely not. The National Museum of Australia fulfils any such purpose – the architecture of the NMA is based on the Holocaust Museum – as discussed on a previous post.

The NMA and the AWM serve very different purposes. The NMA has no parade ground and does not hold ceremonies on Anzac Day or Armistice Day; they are therefore not a commemorative institution, so it can’t be said that the NMA fulfils this purpose. If it did, the AWM could simply be closed down or subsumed into the NMA. The NMA is a museum, but the AWM is a memorial with a museum attached.

Nonetheless, I do agree with Whatsup. I don’t think the AWM’s museum needs changing to incorporate this. Maybe a memorial in the manner of the plethora of memorials down Anzac Parade, but not a permanent display in the museum.

vg vg 4:00 pm 28 Feb 09

No

Whatsup Whatsup 11:50 am 28 Feb 09

The AWM makes no secret that many indigenous Australians have stood alongside the white Australians in numerous conflicts.

As to the tale of how these two groups came together that can be well represented at the NMA with the depth and detail required to ensure the complete picture is passed on to future generations.

Special G Special G 9:19 am 28 Feb 09

trevar – my reference to indigenous was more for WMC’s continual ravings and abuse at anyone who has a differing opinion on anything considered indigenous.

I-filed I-filed 8:13 am 28 Feb 09

Absolutely not. The National Museum of Australia fulfils any such purpose – the architecture of the NMA is based on the Holocaust Museum – as discussed on a previous post.

trevar trevar 8:09 am 28 Feb 09

Special G said :

Mind you ‘indigenous’ means native, naturally occuring in an area etc.. I was born here, my parents were born here – does that make me indigenous to Australia. By the definitions damn right it does. The Australian Indigenous people by their own history migrated here 40,000 years ago. Who were the indigenous population then and what happened to them? This argument can go on forever (and off topic to the AWM).

Th AWM is not the place for this conflict.

The debate over the semantics of the word ‘indigenous’ is irrelevant to this debate. The question is, should the AWN commemorate the conflict between white and black Australians.

As an English teacher and linguist, I concur completely that the word ‘indigenous’ does legitimately refer to anything native, and that the term ‘indigenous Australian’ makes no reference to a person’s race and can legitimately be applied to a person of any racial background born in Australia. It is also important, though, to realise that when that term is used, it is understood to mean something other than what it means. But all that’s got nothing at all to do with whether the racial conflict should be commemorated at the AWM.

Likewise, I don’t think it’s particularly relevant to cite the NMA’s exhibition as a panacea for exclusion of this conflict from the AWM. The NMA exhibits pre- and post-contact history, but the AWM commemorates conflict, and honours those who gave their lives. It is not a museum, but a memorial. And as such, if it were to commemorate the racial conflicts between white and black, it should be acknowledge the sacrifices on both sides of the conflict.

They might not acknowledge the sacrifices of German soldiers in WW2, but that is a foreign conflict, and since there were Australians on both sides of the racial conflict here, it should be commemorated similarly to the way civil wars are commemorated in countries that have had conventional civil wars.

Special G Special G 7:42 am 28 Feb 09

Mind you ‘indigenous’ means native, naturally occuring in an area etc.. I was born here, my parents were born here – does that make me indigenous to Australia. By the definitions damn right it does. The Australian Indigenous people by their own history migrated here 40,000 years ago. Who were the indigenous population then and what happened to them? This argument can go on forever (and off topic to the AWM).

Th AWM is not the place for this conflict.

poptop poptop 7:27 am 28 Feb 09

Yoink! Straight to passive agressive notes.

Special G Special G 7:12 am 28 Feb 09

Don’t take it to heart Granny. WMC is always abusing people who disagree with him. He will also call racist at the drop of a hat. I think he doesn’t like anyone who is not indigenous. It certainly comes through in his posts.

Granny Granny 10:37 pm 27 Feb 09

BerraBoy68 said :

Granny, when I see you next I’ll tell you to your face… but I love you. And I know that you know what I mean by that. Your golden.

I do, BerraBoy. That’s beautiful. Thank you so much.

miz miz 10:14 pm 27 Feb 09

Surely the NMA has enough flagellation of this issue?

And personally, while no one denies that there was certainly conflict and violence between white and black, there was also conflict and violence between convicts and free settlers, squatters and selectors, Irish and Brits, and later over gold, the eureka stockade, lambing flat, cronulla riots, I mean where does it stop? Are we going to label every conflict between social groups ‘war’? Are these the kind of ‘war’ that should be in the war memorial? Of course not.

This country was founded on a jumble of unwanteds: the poor, the native dwellers, the convicts, the crims, the politically undesirable, the bonded kanakas . . . ALL just had to try and make it the best they could. And I think we as a nation are getting there, despite the history of having the rubbish England didn’t want dumped here. I just wish indigenous people would try harder to identify as Australian. After all, they are the most Australian you can get! Why must this beloved sector of the Australian community constantly say ‘look at moi, my people suffered more than you lot’ all the time?

BerraBoy68 BerraBoy68 10:13 pm 27 Feb 09

Granny said :

I may not be as smart as you, WMC; but I don’t have you around to give me my opinions all the time, so I’m afraid I have to come up with some of them myself.

I do think about what you have to say because I respect you, but I would think a lot harder if some of that respect was returned.

Granny, when I see you next I’ll tell you to your face… but I love you. And I know that you know what I mean by that. Your golden.

BerraBoy68 BerraBoy68 10:11 pm 27 Feb 09

Woody Mann-Caruso said :

Read the history of the AWM and it’s foundation, then try to work out for yourself why it was built.

@WMC – What, like I’m betting you just did five minutes ago?

You lose, WMC, I majored in Aust. History at uni and extensively studied the Frontier Wars (i.e. Aboriginal Vs White colonialists) and Aust. military history as part of both my graduate and post-graduate studies. As part of this I’ve studied the history of the AWM and spoken to Aboriginal ex-servicemen who have served their nation with distinction and pride in foreign conflicts. From what I’ve learned from them over the years, these men also continue to view the scope and growth of the AWM with awe and never for one second have those I’ve spoken to intimated they want to highlight our differences over our similarities.

You, however, appear to believe that all those that do not readily agree with your world-view are rednecks, clowns etc. which simply indicates you are ignorant if not self absorbed. P Personally, I welcome informed debate that leads to enlightenment and (shock, horror) education on both side. But please, by all means take your bat and ball and go home.

Granny Granny 10:04 pm 27 Feb 09

Thanks, guys. I kind of needed to hear that right now.

: )

p1 p1 10:02 pm 27 Feb 09

That be the way I saw it too.

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