It’s not murder, just getting a little stabby

johnboy 4 April 2011 54

The Canberra Times has a report on Rebecca Anne Massey’s trial getting under way for the murder of Elizabeth Booshand at Charnwood shops in July 2008.

Mr Pappas told the jury that the two women lived in a “twilight zone” of drugs and crime.

He said there was no issue that his client had stabbed Ms Booshand but argued that she had never intended to kill the other woman.

Mr Pappas said Ms Booshand was fully conscious after the stabbing but underwent emergency surgery on her chest after being admitted to Canberra Hospital.

About 10 minutes into the operation she was declared dead, he said.

“Whether the death was caused by the stabbing or by some medical misadventure is a matter for you to decide,” he told the jury.

A brave new assault on personal responsibility by Jack Pappas. It will be instructive to see what the jury makes of it.


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Aj_1987 Aj_1987 4:49 pm 05 May 11

Neverforgotten said :

No matter what sentence is handed out, it will never bring back Elizabeth… I knew her very well and have read the stories you here about the apparent life both woman lead – but there is a difference between a Junkie and an Addict… Elizabeth was a good person and she knew there was a better life and that is what she bought her Daughters up to believe. Her strength was in her 3 daughters who she was always so proud of! Both her eldest Daughters and now the youngest live in Queensland with Managerial Positions, comfortable cars, beautiful homes, a wonderful Husband and a beautiful Fiancé. The Massey clan on the other hand I don’t believe have worked a day in their life. Liz wasn’t an angel, no one is – but she wasn’t a bad person either… Words cannot explain the hole her passing has left and I know all this because I am her eldest Daughter… R.I.P Mum x

I’m so sorry for your loss, I was on the jury and after the trial read this. I know nothing can bring your mum back, but I hope you feel that at least justice has been served.

Lookout Smithers Lookout Smithers 12:46 am 05 May 11

cleo said :

Torinessd # 22

The law was changed, BUT this murder happened under the old law, so therefore that’s how the trial will run under old law, she did intend to murder the victim as she stabbed her 6 times, she would have known that the victim did not have a knife, as she didn’t produce one in the fight, and one wasn’t used against Massey.

I don’t know how I feel about that law really. What is proportionate threat posed? If I am attacked by a person twice my size and I think that I am in serious danger of being killed or hurt significantly, I would like to think the law would protect me when I defend myself as best I can? If I think it is reasonable? I think that your mind and body take over when the self knows it is in serious trouble. Every living organism will do what it can to protect itself if life threatening. I guess what is reasonable will vary person to person. I didn’t know that it had to be in proportion with the threat though it makes sense. Carrying a knife is pretty stupid if you think you are in danger somehow. Not a big amount of thought there. But intent must have been proved in the case. I can see many examples of people stabbing someone and not intend to kill them. Most involving the young and stupid decisions. I find it such a tragic event in this case as the lives lived by them seem to have been quite sad and made worst that both have children.

PBO PBO 9:20 am 04 May 11

georgesgenitals said :

Lookout Smithers said :

I am an addict. I have been on Maxibon ice creams for months now. Cant shake the habit. Its killing me slowly. BAM!!

To be fair, those things are f###ing delicious.

I concur, but not as good as the green apple chocolate and guava Magnums that were around a few years ago. But to celebrate justice finally being done i will have a Maxibon, but i cannot eat two though. Thats too much.

cleo cleo 2:54 am 04 May 11

Torinessd # 22

The law was changed, BUT this murder happened under the old law, so therefore that’s how the trial will run under old law, she did intend to murder the victim as she stabbed her 6 times, she would have known that the victim did not have a knife, as she didn’t produce one in the fight, and one wasn’t used against Massey.

georgesgenitals georgesgenitals 6:49 pm 03 May 11

Lookout Smithers said :

I am an addict. I have been on Maxibon ice creams for months now. Cant shake the habit. Its killing me slowly. BAM!!

To be fair, those things are f###ing delicious.

Lookout Smithers Lookout Smithers 6:46 pm 03 May 11

Tooks said :

Pommy bastard said :

Tooks said :

No, pig is slang some people use to descrbe police, whereas junkie is a legitimate word which means addict.

That has to be one of the most dumbass things I have ever read here.

You obviously don’t read your own posts then.

Hahaha. Tooksy with the gold!! I dunno why but it read funny.

Tooks Tooks 5:57 pm 03 May 11

Pommy bastard said :

Tooks said :

No, pig is slang some people use to descrbe police, whereas junkie is a legitimate word which means addict.

That has to be one of the most dumbass things I have ever read here.

You obviously don’t read your own posts then.

Special G Special G 5:42 pm 03 May 11

junk·ie
? ?/?d???ki/ Show Spelled[juhng-kee] Show IPA
–noun Informal .
1.
a drug addict, especially one addicted to heroin.
2.
a person with an insatiable craving for something: a chocolate junkie.
3.
an enthusiastic follower; fan; devotee: a baseball junkie.

PIG – http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/pig

Lookout Smithers Lookout Smithers 5:24 pm 03 May 11

Neverforgotten said :

No matter what sentence is handed out, it will never bring back Elizabeth… I knew her very well and have read the stories you here about the apparent life both woman lead – but there is a difference between a Junkie and an Addict… Elizabeth was a good person and she knew there was a better life and that is what she bought her Daughters up to believe. Her strength was in her 3 daughters who she was always so proud of! Both her eldest Daughters and now the youngest live in Queensland with Managerial Positions, comfortable cars, beautiful homes, a wonderful Husband and a beautiful Fiancé. The Massey clan on the other hand I don’t believe have worked a day in their life. Liz wasn’t an angel, no one is – but she wasn’t a bad person either… Words cannot explain the hole her passing has left and I know all this because I am her eldest Daughter… R.I.P Mum x

Many condolences on your loss in unimaginable circumstances. I find it very inspiring to read this calming and astute comment. At a time so vulnerable to the emotions, I commend you for the obvious clarity you show here. All human life is valued the same by reasonable people and for anyone to have a go at the deceased is really just the cancer trying to get a bite. No one who can login to this site really thinks like that. I am sure of it. They just don’t have your scope or where to get it.

Kindest regards and thanks for the insight

Lookout Smithers Lookout Smithers 5:01 pm 03 May 11

colourful sydney racing identity said :

Tooks said :

No, pig is slang some people use to descrbe police, whereas junkie is a legitimate word which means addict.

I am pretty sure junkie is a slang word.

It has to be, or at least was a slang word. What the fark are you two going on with? Tooks, Junkie co notates to Junk, as in heroin. An addict can be hooked on anything. I am an addict. I have been on Maxibon ice creams for months now. Cant shake the habit. Its killing me slowly. BAM!!

Pommy bastard Pommy bastard 4:51 pm 03 May 11

Tooks said :

No, pig is slang some people use to descrbe police, whereas junkie is a legitimate word which means addict.

That has to be one of the most dumbass things I have ever read here.

colourful sydney racing identity colourful sydney racing identity 4:00 pm 03 May 11

Tooks said :

No, pig is slang some people use to descrbe police, whereas junkie is a legitimate word which means addict.

I am pretty sure junkie is a slang word.

Chop71 Chop71 3:51 pm 03 May 11

Guilty

Tooks Tooks 3:44 pm 03 May 11

No, pig is slang some people use to descrbe police, whereas junkie is a legitimate word which means addict.

colourful sydney racing identity colourful sydney racing identity 3:03 pm 03 May 11

Tooks said :

I don’t really want to go off track and have an argument about the word, but the definition of ‘junkie’ is a drug addict. Don’t believe me? Look at any dictionary.

I have known addicts who were amongst the most caring, beautiful people I have met and I have known junkies who were the polar opposite.

I’m certainly not suggesting junkies cannot be caring, beautiful people, but I’d suggest they’re quite rare.

Yes, and I am sure a lot of dictionaries would include pig as a synonym for police officer it doesn’t mean that all police are pigs.

Tooks Tooks 2:33 pm 03 May 11

I don’t really want to go off track and have an argument about the word, but the definition of ‘junkie’ is a drug addict. Don’t believe me? Look at any dictionary.

I have known addicts who were amongst the most caring, beautiful people I have met and I have known junkies who were the polar opposite.

I’m certainly not suggesting junkies cannot be caring, beautiful people, but I’d suggest they’re quite rare.

colourful sydney racing identity colourful sydney racing identity 2:08 pm 03 May 11

Tooks said :

there is a difference between a Junkie and an Addict

No there isn’t.

I have known poeple whom I would consider addicts and some I would consider junkies and I have to say that I could not disagree with you more. I have known addicts who were amongst the most caring, beautiful people I have met and I have known junkies who were the polar opposite.

Tooks Tooks 1:45 pm 03 May 11

there is a difference between a Junkie and an Addict

No there isn’t. Regardless, sorry for the loss of your mother, especially in such a brutal way.

The jury has been instructed that if Massey started the fight or was a willing participant in it, then she can not be acquitted based on her self-defence claims.

Chop71 Chop71 12:33 pm 03 May 11

Neverforgotten said :

No matter what sentence is handed out, it will never bring back Elizabeth… I knew her very well and have read the stories you here about the apparent life both woman lead – but there is a difference between a Junkie and an Addict… Elizabeth was a good person and she knew there was a better life and that is what she bought her Daughters up to believe. Her strength was in her 3 daughters who she was always so proud of! Both her eldest Daughters and now the youngest live in Queensland with Managerial Positions, comfortable cars, beautiful homes, a wonderful Husband and a beautiful Fiancé. The Massey clan on the other hand I don’t believe have worked a day in their life. Liz wasn’t an angel, no one is – but she wasn’t a bad person either… Words cannot explain the hole her passing has left and I know all this because I am her eldest Daughter… R.I.P Mum x

Probably the nicest ever post written on this site …….. well done!!

colourful sydney racing identity colourful sydney racing identity 11:41 am 03 May 11

Neverforgotten said :

No matter what sentence is handed out, it will never bring back Elizabeth… I knew her very well and have read the stories you here about the apparent life both woman lead – but there is a difference between a Junkie and an Addict… Elizabeth was a good person and she knew there was a better life and that is what she bought her Daughters up to believe. Her strength was in her 3 daughters who she was always so proud of! Both her eldest Daughters and now the youngest live in Queensland with Managerial Positions, comfortable cars, beautiful homes, a wonderful Husband and a beautiful Fiancé. The Massey clan on the other hand I don’t believe have worked a day in their life. Liz wasn’t an angel, no one is – but she wasn’t a bad person either… Words cannot explain the hole her passing has left and I know all this because I am her eldest Daughter… R.I.P Mum x

Thank you for your post. I am sorry for your loss.

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