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Keep left on Gininderra Drive

By JC 10 September 2013 119

On Gininderra Drive there are keep left unless over taking signs west bound going up the hill just before the intersection with Gungahlin Drive and east bound just past the intersection with Kingsford Smith Drive.

Under the road rules keep left unless overtaking applies on roads with a speed limit greater than 80km/h or where signs as described above are seen. In relation to the signs the road rules say that it applies:

Rule 130

(3) A keep left unless overtaking sign on a multi-lane road applies to the length of road beginning at the sign and ending at the nearest of the following:
(a) an end keep left unless overtaking sign on the road;
(b) a traffic sign or road marking on the road that indicates that the road is no longer a multi-lane road;
(c) if the road ends at a T–intersection or dead end — the end of the road.

So the way I read that keep left applies more or less between Kingsford Smith Drive and Moat Street. Now of course no one every obeys this rule, but I find it odd that the whole stretch is considered under the rules to be a keep left unless overtaking road zone, but it only has signs at each end. How are those that enter from the numerous sides roads meant to know.

ACT government should either remove the signs, or put up repeater signs after each intersection and of course enforce the rule is the latter was done.

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Woody Mann-Caruso 11:04 am 16 Sep 13

Actually, sounds like little Woody, with his control issues, and his speed-envy issues, is in a very unhappy place. Why doesn’t little Woody learn to play nice with all the other Canberra cretins?

It’s been ages since I’ve had a stalker. Welcome! Please, continue to hover around me and rage. It’s just energising as when you sit up my arse in the right lane and I click the cruise control down a couple of k’s…then a couple more…

thebrownstreak69 9:06 am 16 Sep 13

If the crazy lady in the blue commodore with black and white NSW number plates is reading this, the Monaro Highway is not your racetrack. Calm the hell down. In your quest to get ahead, you damn near ran me off the road this morning!

RadioVK 8:52 am 16 Sep 13

JC said :

RadioVK said :

FWIW, I don’t care if you do or don’t keep left, and as others have pointed out, you’re well within your rights to stay in the right hand lane. I was taught to keep left when I learned how to drive, for the reasons I’ve already given. I think that they’re good reasons, whether you agree or not is up to you.

I was taught the same reasons too, basically common sense and courtesy. Something many these days lack, as everything is about them and screw anyone else.

Well, I’m certainly glad I’m not the only one who was taught about common sense and courtesy on the road.

It takes more that knowing how to operate the equipment, and knowing the rules, to make a good driver…

tuco 10:11 am 14 Sep 13

Hang on, I’m lost. There’s a nurse somewhere late for a shift too, so if you can help her, that would be nice.
The way I read it here, if there isn’t a specific law against an action, go your hardest.
That’s going to make shopping easy then, ’cause I can push my way to the front.
Kids want a go on the swing? Just cut in, and stuff the rest.
“Actually, I DO need all this seat on the bus.”
“No, it’s last night’s curry. someone else asked if I needed to see a doctor.”

Wow. Lord of the Flies by the Lake.

wildturkeycanoe 9:04 pm 13 Sep 13

Woody Mann-Caruso said :

The vehicle behind you just happens to be trying to transport someone with a serious, life threatening illness to hospital for potentially life saving treatment. You decide that you are not going to move into the left hand lane to let them past because, after all, you’re doing the speed limit, and nobody has any right to go any faster than you, do they?

The vehicle in front of you just happens to be driven by the only doctor who can save your friend. The doctor is driving to the hospital to start her shift. She doesn’t want to be delayed – for example, by the police – so she’s carefully following the speed limit. You decide that you are going to tailgate her because, after all, you’re entitled, and nobody has any right to go any slower than you, do they? Distracted, she moves into the left lane, into the path of another vehicle. She crashes and dies, and a few hours later, so does your friend.

Next week – why arguing about the real world using imaginary, ludicrously-marginal scenarios is f*cking useless unless you’re as smart as Geoffrey Robertson.

If everyone in this scenario drove at 25km/h all would be well. That’s also where everyone would end up to give their horses a drink.

Robertson 5:19 pm 13 Sep 13

Woody Mann-Caruso said :

So are you in a less-than-happy place? Well, that’s because you made CHOICES.
Am I, the tailgater, in a less-than-happy place? Well, that’s because it’s YOUR FAULT.

Actually, sounds like little Woody, with his control issues, and his speed-envy issues, is in a very unhappy place.

Why doesn’t little Woody learn to play nice with all the other Canberra cretins?

thebrownstreak69 3:56 pm 13 Sep 13

Jim Jones said :

thebrownstreak69 said :

To reiterate, it’s perfectly legal to drive in the right lane when not overtaking or turning, but keeping left makes for a simpler and less risky situation. We all know others do silly things on the road, I’m interested in being out of the way and minimising risk to myself and others.

To put the practicalities aside (lets face it, IIRC the decision to be in the left or right hand lane depends on any number of variables at any one time) and play devil’s advocate: Do you think that enabling a culture of speeding is really the best long-term strategy to minimise risk to yourself and others?

No, and I’m not advocating that we do. I advocating driving in a courteous and sensible manner, and reducing risk where we can.

Driving in the right hand lane should never be viewed as ‘stopping others from speeding’. That’s not the job of the regular motorist. If you see someone speeding and that concerns you I suggest referring the matter to the police. If I’m driving along at or below the speed limit and someone wants to fly past I’d rather let them go because this reduces the possibility of me being involved in an incident or accident with them.

Given the amount of speeding I see in Canberra, the large and obvious signposting of fixed speed cameras and general lack of police on the roads, I’d say that current speed management is more of a token effort than genuine attempt to make the roads a safer place to be.

Jim Jones 3:33 pm 13 Sep 13

thebrownstreak69 said :

To reiterate, it’s perfectly legal to drive in the right lane when not overtaking or turning, but keeping left makes for a simpler and less risky situation. We all know others do silly things on the road, I’m interested in being out of the way and minimising risk to myself and others.

To put the practicalities aside (lets face it, IIRC the decision to be in the left or right hand lane depends on any number of variables at any one time) and play devil’s advocate: Do you think that enabling a culture of speeding is really the best long-term strategy to minimise risk to yourself and others?

thebrownstreak69 3:02 pm 13 Sep 13

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

thebrownstreak69 said :

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

And again, I never said I am trying to police peeps, although it is lol at the thought of cretins reading this and raging about people blocking their fast lane.

If you’re taking smug pleasure at slowing others down, which this quote seems to indicate, then being the police is exactly what you are trying to do.

If you want to drive along in the right hand lane there’s nothing stopping you. And you can rest easily in the knowledge that when you’re tailgated, people speed past on the left and people won’t let you merge left easily that you are in no way at fault (although this usually won’t happen if you just show a bit courtesy and stay left). It’s just the way things are.

You misunderstand. I never purposely slow anybody down unless the tailgate. This is due to safety not to police them.
My comment was about me defending using the right hand lane and peeps raging at that.

I use whatever lane I need to turn to or middle lane for safety if I’m not turning.

I don’t think I do misunderstand. I know you don’t slow down purposely.

I also know that what you’re doing is perfectly legal.

The point, which I and others have been trying to make all along, is that driving in the left lane by default (unless congested, overtaking or turning) reduces stress and hassle. This is why it’s called courtesy, because it makes things easier for everyone.

You’ve stated clearly that you believe that if you’re doing the speed limit in the right lane then you’re obeying the law. And you are, great.

You’ve also asked, “Why do you think it is courteous to stay on the left lane?”, and I’ve answered.

To reiterate, it’s perfectly legal to drive in the right lane when not overtaking or turning, but keeping left makes for a simpler and less risky situation. We all know others do silly things on the road, I’m interested in being out of the way and minimising risk to myself and others.

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd 2:34 pm 13 Sep 13

thebrownstreak69 said :

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

And again, I never said I am trying to police peeps, although it is lol at the thought of cretins reading this and raging about people blocking their fast lane.

If you’re taking smug pleasure at slowing others down, which this quote seems to indicate, then being the police is exactly what you are trying to do.

If you want to drive along in the right hand lane there’s nothing stopping you. And you can rest easily in the knowledge that when you’re tailgated, people speed past on the left and people won’t let you merge left easily that you are in no way at fault (although this usually won’t happen if you just show a bit courtesy and stay left). It’s just the way things are.

You misunderstand. I never purposely slow anybody down unless the tailgate. This is due to safety not to police them.
My comment was about me defending using the right hand lane and peeps raging at that.

I use whatever lane I need to turn to or middle lane for safety if I’m not turning.

thebrownstreak69 2:28 pm 13 Sep 13

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

And again, I never said I am trying to police peeps, although it is lol at the thought of cretins reading this and raging about people blocking their fast lane.

If you’re taking smug pleasure at slowing others down, which this quote seems to indicate, then being the police is exactly what you are trying to do.

If you want to drive along in the right hand lane there’s nothing stopping you. And you can rest easily in the knowledge that when you’re tailgated, people speed past on the left and people won’t let you merge left easily that you are in no way at fault (although this usually won’t happen if you just show a bit courtesy and stay left). It’s just the way things are.

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd 2:06 pm 13 Sep 13

thebrownstreak69 said :

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

thebrownstreak69 said :

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

JC said :

RadioVK said :

FWIW, I don’t care if you do or don’t keep left, and as others have pointed out, you’re well within your rights to stay in the right hand lane. I was taught to keep left when I learned how to drive, for the reasons I’ve already given. I think that they’re good reasons, whether you agree or not is up to you.

I was taught the same reasons too, basically common sense and courtesy. Something many these days lack, as everything is about them and screw anyone else.

Why do you think it is courteous to stay on the left lane?

So when traffic traveling at higher speeds passes it always does so on the right, rather than having faster traffic weave through slower traffic, which is more dangerous (and stressful for some).

The reality is that some traffic does indeed travel above the speed limit on occasion, and the best thing to do is simply let them go. Yes, it’s illegal, but we live in an imperfect world. It’s not up to us to slow other people down because we’re getting upset that they’re getting some perceived unfair advantage.

Keeping left is something that was taught for decades to new drivers, and it generally works well. Obviously when roads are congested or under unusual circumstances (something on the road for example) you would do something else.

There’s too much angst on Canberra roads, and poor lane discipline is not helping one bit.

It seems like people need to show some self control. Don’t speed and don’t get upset with others because they are in *your lane*

Once again, I think you may have missed the point. It’s not ‘your lane’, it’s not your job to stop others speeding, and it makes things much safer and more predictable for everyone when traffic speed increases from left to right and not both ways.

I understand your argument – if you do the speed limit in the right hand lane then there shouldn’t be a problem. In a perfect world, great. But the real world doesn’t always work that way, and keeping left is a very easy way to reduce risk and stress with no impact other than being a little bit thoughtful.

It is everybody’s lane.
I never claimed it as such, in fact I hate people who do.

And again, I never said I am trying to police peeps, although it is lol at the thought of cretins reading this and raging about people blocking their fast lane.

thebrownstreak69 1:54 pm 13 Sep 13

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

thebrownstreak69 said :

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

JC said :

RadioVK said :

FWIW, I don’t care if you do or don’t keep left, and as others have pointed out, you’re well within your rights to stay in the right hand lane. I was taught to keep left when I learned how to drive, for the reasons I’ve already given. I think that they’re good reasons, whether you agree or not is up to you.

I was taught the same reasons too, basically common sense and courtesy. Something many these days lack, as everything is about them and screw anyone else.

Why do you think it is courteous to stay on the left lane?

So when traffic traveling at higher speeds passes it always does so on the right, rather than having faster traffic weave through slower traffic, which is more dangerous (and stressful for some).

The reality is that some traffic does indeed travel above the speed limit on occasion, and the best thing to do is simply let them go. Yes, it’s illegal, but we live in an imperfect world. It’s not up to us to slow other people down because we’re getting upset that they’re getting some perceived unfair advantage.

Keeping left is something that was taught for decades to new drivers, and it generally works well. Obviously when roads are congested or under unusual circumstances (something on the road for example) you would do something else.

There’s too much angst on Canberra roads, and poor lane discipline is not helping one bit.

It seems like people need to show some self control. Don’t speed and don’t get upset with others because they are in *your lane*

Once again, I think you may have missed the point. It’s not ‘your lane’, it’s not your job to stop others speeding, and it makes things much safer and more predictable for everyone when traffic speed increases from left to right and not both ways.

I understand your argument – if you do the speed limit in the right hand lane then there shouldn’t be a problem. In a perfect world, great. But the real world doesn’t always work that way, and keeping left is a very easy way to reduce risk and stress with no impact other than being a little bit thoughtful.

JC 12:50 pm 13 Sep 13

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

Why do you think it is courteous to stay on the left lane?

So that other vehicles may pass me safley if they wish. To me the safest place for someone to pass is on the right, so I keep left provided traffic is not congested. The fact they may be speeding is of no consiquence to me and again keeping left and out of their way is the safest place for everyone including myself as I don’t want cars coming up my inside or cutting lanes just because I am in their way.

Woody Mann-Caruso 12:25 pm 13 Sep 13

It seems like people need to show some self control. Don’t speed and don’t get upset with others because they are in *your lane*

I think this is the bit I find funniest. I haven’t done a study, and it’s probably all self-selecting bias, but there’s an overlap between the people who say ‘HURR GURR GET OUT OF MY LANE’ and those who like to kick poor people, black people, immigrants, gays…

So are you in a less-than-happy place? Well, that’s because you made CHOICES.
Am I, the tailgater, in a less-than-happy place? Well, that’s because it’s YOUR FAULT.

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd 11:48 am 13 Sep 13

thebrownstreak69 said :

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

JC said :

RadioVK said :

FWIW, I don’t care if you do or don’t keep left, and as others have pointed out, you’re well within your rights to stay in the right hand lane. I was taught to keep left when I learned how to drive, for the reasons I’ve already given. I think that they’re good reasons, whether you agree or not is up to you.

I was taught the same reasons too, basically common sense and courtesy. Something many these days lack, as everything is about them and screw anyone else.

Why do you think it is courteous to stay on the left lane?

So when traffic traveling at higher speeds passes it always does so on the right, rather than having faster traffic weave through slower traffic, which is more dangerous (and stressful for some).

The reality is that some traffic does indeed travel above the speed limit on occasion, and the best thing to do is simply let them go. Yes, it’s illegal, but we live in an imperfect world. It’s not up to us to slow other people down because we’re getting upset that they’re getting some perceived unfair advantage.

Keeping left is something that was taught for decades to new drivers, and it generally works well. Obviously when roads are congested or under unusual circumstances (something on the road for example) you would do something else.

There’s too much angst on Canberra roads, and poor lane discipline is not helping one bit.

It seems like people need to show some self control. Don’t speed and don’t get upset with others because they are in *your lane*

thebrownstreak69 9:30 am 13 Sep 13

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

JC said :

RadioVK said :

FWIW, I don’t care if you do or don’t keep left, and as others have pointed out, you’re well within your rights to stay in the right hand lane. I was taught to keep left when I learned how to drive, for the reasons I’ve already given. I think that they’re good reasons, whether you agree or not is up to you.

I was taught the same reasons too, basically common sense and courtesy. Something many these days lack, as everything is about them and screw anyone else.

Why do you think it is courteous to stay on the left lane?

So when traffic traveling at higher speeds passes it always does so on the right, rather than having faster traffic weave through slower traffic, which is more dangerous (and stressful for some).

The reality is that some traffic does indeed travel above the speed limit on occasion, and the best thing to do is simply let them go. Yes, it’s illegal, but we live in an imperfect world. It’s not up to us to slow other people down because we’re getting upset that they’re getting some perceived unfair advantage.

Keeping left is something that was taught for decades to new drivers, and it generally works well. Obviously when roads are congested or under unusual circumstances (something on the road for example) you would do something else.

There’s too much angst on Canberra roads, and poor lane discipline is not helping one bit.

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd 11:05 pm 12 Sep 13

JC said :

RadioVK said :

FWIW, I don’t care if you do or don’t keep left, and as others have pointed out, you’re well within your rights to stay in the right hand lane. I was taught to keep left when I learned how to drive, for the reasons I’ve already given. I think that they’re good reasons, whether you agree or not is up to you.

I was taught the same reasons too, basically common sense and courtesy. Something many these days lack, as everything is about them and screw anyone else.

Why do you think it is courteous to stay on the left lane?

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